Chemist Posted May 1 Posted May 1 This is the moment when you recognize who stands on the right side of history. The occupation of university facilities by students was in 1968 also viewed as a bad thing, but now it is deemed so heroic that they hang pictures of the occupation in the unvisersity halls. Forty years from now, today's protesters will also be regarded as heroes 2
Chemist Posted May 1 Posted May 1 Columbia Association of Professors are AGAINST the presence of police in campus
Dali Posted May 1 Posted May 1 (edited) 17 hours ago, GhostBox said: Ive been wondering this question myself. Watch how when they release the identities of the protesters and it turns out they were all students your talking point will suddenly change into how they in fact deserved getting arrested, just like how you and every zionist have been doing for the past 7 months. Just some straight up whataboutism Edited May 1 by Dali 2
Kassi Posted May 1 Posted May 1 6 hours ago, Prodigal Self said: Honey we did not get where we are today by doing what makes sense to your kind. Y'all scared shaking in your corporate friendly boots and well y'all should be. The status quo is changing In 1968, Columbia students protested a segregated gym and the fact that young people like them were being drafted into the Vietnam War. In 2024, Columbia students are protesting this: On 4/25/2024 at 8:56 PM, Kassi said: Hey can you quickly explain how the world is made safer when Columbia divests from these companies. https://cuapartheiddivest.org/research There's no internal logic to the protests. Are they also going to demand the school stop using MS Office or Google Sheets? Will they be turning away all Amazon packages delivered to student dorms? Apparently not: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/04/26/bds-divestment-gaza-campuses-israel/ How does ANY of this help Palestinians? If you're not "very online", the way they're going about this protest doesn't translate well. 9
Dali Posted May 1 Posted May 1 Have some of y'all lost the plot or am i just losing my mind here? i would be laughing about how some members in this thread sound like a bunch of fascists if this wasn't actually happening in real life. Talking about "peaceful protesting" as if breaking a window and camping on a lawn equats being violently brutalized by hundreds of police officers. I am CONVINCED that alot of you have been living in your own privileged bubble since birth and have never went to a protest in your entire lives, simply because the system put in place directly benefits you and you never had the need to fight for your own rights because others did it for you, and you never fought for other's rights because it doesn't concern you. Now this is even more infuriating knowing that alot of these messages are coming from queer and lgbt+ individuals, to those i ask, how did you think the LGBT community (in the US specifically) fought for their rights? by begging the police to please let them be and singing kumbaya while holding hands? Please go open a book What about student movements against the vietnam war, and every anti-war protest that is? did they achieve what they did by conveniencing the state and the police and doing exactly what they wanted them to do? This idea of a "perfect" non violent protest only exists in your head, and it is unattainable in reality, but seeing that you have undoubtedly never marched before in your life, or did anything that is considered mildly against the system, you just don't know that. I once saw a tweet saying "a liberal thinks every social movement that ever happened is good, except the current one" and everyday i am convinced that that's 100% true. 3 8
Uncatena Posted May 1 Posted May 1 The absolute irony or rather mirroring that is happening here is insane. This will be a breaking point for a loooot of people. 8 1
Kassi Posted May 1 Posted May 1 The protestors' demands are too broad and vague to produce tangible results. From some of the rhetoric, you'd think Columbia was sending checks directly to Netanyahu. The school has a massive investment portfolio that is being managed by professionals and is likely extremely diverse. Trying to tackle apartheid company by company — especially those not on the BDS list — isn't going to move the needle for Palestinians. This is like the Starbucks boycott, but even more nebulous since Google, Amazon, and Microsoft stock will continue to rise as the students use their underlying products and services. How many of them have been Googling for legal advice? How many of the tents were Prime deliveries? A globally broadcasted solidarity peace rally with 100,000s of people, like the Women's March, would have a better chance of sending Netanyahu and the world a message in support of Palestinians. 3 6
Wolf Alice Posted May 1 Posted May 1 Zionists should be classified as terrorists. Absolutely unhinged set of inhumane scum. 9
oscarscheller Posted May 1 Posted May 1 Attacks are never the answer and I condemn those either way, but I wonder where is the thread about campers physically stopping and attacking people purely based on their Jewishness (not even Zionism) 1 1 6
Kassi Posted May 1 Posted May 1 Also, if colleges were to divest from Israel in its entirety, the following is a few companies that have physical offices/facilities/R&D centers in Israel from which they would need to divest: Amazon, Apple, Bayer, Capgemini, Dell, Dropbox, eBay, Google, IBM, Intel, McAfee, Facebook/Meta, Microsoft, Nvidia, PayPal, Pfizer, Salesforce, etc. This would require divestment from the S&P500, NASDAQ, and Dow Jones. Divesting from half the US economy is a losing bet and a breach of an endowment's fiduciary responsibility to the school — which exists so that the school functions and has resources for facilities, classes, professors, research, scholarships, etc. From the perspective of the administration, unlike in the 1968 protests, protesters are not just asking for a segregated gym to be canceled, they're asking for the school to bankrupt itself. 7
GraceRandolph Posted May 1 Posted May 1 18 minutes ago, oscarscheller said: Attacks are never the answer and I condemn those either way, but I wonder where is the thread about campers physically stopping and attacking people purely based on their Jewishness (not even Zionism) Where did this take place? I haven't seen this, and the protests have disproportionately been led by Jewish students. 6
oscarscheller Posted May 1 Posted May 1 6 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Where did this take place? I haven't seen this, and the protests have disproportionately been led by Jewish students. Just one example I found in a quick x search of very many. The guy in the suit is a Jewish student being denied entry by campers 1 1
Both Sides Now Posted May 1 Posted May 1 20 minutes ago, oscarscheller said: Attacks are never the answer and I condemn those either way, but I wonder where is the thread about campers physically stopping and attacking people purely based on their Jewishness (not even Zionism) You do know you can make a thread if you provide examples of that? I'm fairly sure every encampment has a large Jewish bloc of protestors so I somehow doubt it. Unless you're talking about these people who either make **** up or are openly calling for violence. They should be kept away for the safety of the students protesting! 7 1
Both Sides Now Posted May 1 Posted May 1 (edited) 4 minutes ago, oscarscheller said: Just one example I found in a quick x search of very many. The guy in the suit is a Jewish student being denied entry by campers A 12 second clip with no context is the best you can do when there are thousands of clips of Jewish students protesting the genocide and Zionists (Jewish or not) inciting violence by firing rockets into students and calling black students the n word. Edited May 1 by Both Sides Now 9
GraceRandolph Posted May 1 Posted May 1 2 minutes ago, beautiful player said: Don't we already have a megathread for this topic? This isn't about the police crackdown, this is a specific event.
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