news Student movement in solidarity with Gaza goes global; police crackdowns ensue

[oscarscheller]

6 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Where did this take place? I haven't seen this, and the protests have disproportionately been led by Jewish students. 

Just one example I found in a quick x search of very many. The guy in the suit is a Jewish student being denied entry by campers

[Both Sides Now]

20 minutes ago, oscarscheller said:

Attacks are never the answer and I condemn those either way, but I wonder where is the thread about campers physically stopping and attacking people purely based on their Jewishness (not even Zionism)

You do know you can make a thread if you provide examples of that? I'm fairly sure every encampment has a large Jewish bloc of protestors so I somehow doubt it. 

 

Unless you're talking about these people who either make **** up or are openly calling for violence. They should be kept away for the safety of the students protesting!
 

 

[Both Sides Now]

4 minutes ago, oscarscheller said:

Just one example I found in a quick x search of very many. The guy in the suit is a Jewish student being denied entry by campers

A 12 second clip with no context is the best you can do when there are thousands of clips of Jewish students protesting the genocide and Zionists (Jewish or not) inciting violence by firing rockets into students and calling black students the n word. 

Edited May 1 by Both Sides Now

[beautiful player]

Don't we already have a megathread for this topic?

[GraceRandolph]

2 minutes ago, beautiful player said:

Don't we already have a megathread for this topic?

This isn't about the police crackdown, this is a specific event. 

[brazil]

Wonder if the media is going to report on this like they're reporting on the "violent attacks" by protesters.

[brazil]

12 minutes ago, oscarscheller said:

Just one example I found in a quick x search of very many. The guy in the suit is a Jewish student being denied entry by campers

This is the example you got of campers "physically stopping and attacking people purely based on their Jewishness"????

 

Im sorry, but i was in a dinner last night where the same argument was made by pro-Israel people and yet there is absolutely no evidence of this happeningm

[SmittenCake]

40 minutes ago, Kassi said:

Also, if colleges were to divest from Israel in its entirety, the following is a few companies that have physical offices/facilities/R&D centers in Israel from which they would need to divest:

 

Amazon, Apple, Bayer, Capgemini, Dell, Dropbox, eBay, Google, IBM, Intel, McAfee, Facebook/Meta, Microsoft, Nvidia, PayPal, Pfizer, Salesforce, etc. 
 

This would require divestment from the S&P500, NASDAQ, and Dow Jones.
 

 

Divesting from half the US economy is a losing bet and a breach of an endowment's fiduciary responsibility to the school — which exists so that the school functions and has resources for facilities, classes, professors, research, scholarships, etc.

 

From the perspective of the administration, unlike in the 1968 protests, protesters not just asking for a segregated gym to be canceled, they're asking for the school to bankrupt itself.

Theres unlimited money. They wouldn't go bankrupt. 

[Kassi]

41 minutes ago, SmittenCake said:

Theres unlimited money. They wouldn't go bankrupt. 

https://www.columbia.edu/content/financial-overview

Financials

 

Columbia's operating revenue for the last fiscal year (2023) was $6.2 billion.
 

Total operating expenses for fiscal year 2023 were $5.9 billion.

 

University Endowment

 

Endowment funds are an important part of Columbia operations, and they play an integral role in helping the University achieve its goals. They provide Columbia with a permanent source of funding to support financial aid, faculty and research, schools, departments, institutes, centers, capital projects, and more. Roughly 12% of the University budget is currently supported through an annual distribution from the endowment.

 

 

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The scope of these demands has transformed this into more of an anti-capitalist/Marxist protest than a pro-Palestinian one. 

[Sannie]

Yeah, I mean, this is what happens when you fight for freedom. Historically speaking, all people who have engaged in mass protests for the rights and freedoms of others are met with resistance like this. These protestors are learning what it is like to fight for freedom. It is not easy. You will be attacked, you will be looked down upon, but if you are truly dedicated to the cause, you continue and you do not give up because in the end you will come out on top. This will weed out the fake virtue signalers from the truly dedicated activists who are not just doing it for social media points like so many others. Big respect to them.

 

Now for the agitators, I do not even understand the point apart from hatred. The people in the encampment, from what I have seen, are not actually doing anything wrong. Sure, they are cheering on and chanting for Hamas and other terrorists orgs, but that is their first amendment right. 

[ZeroSuitBritney]

Zionism is terrorism. Everyone who was complaining about one broken window and justifying the violence and invasion by NYPD yesterday, where you at?

[beautiful player]

1 hour ago, GraceRandolph said:

This isn't about the police crackdown, this is a specific event. 

There is a thread for the Israel-Palestine conflict 

[Communion]

2 hours ago, Kassi said:

How does ANY of this help Palestinians?

There's something deeply dark sided and evil about someone who is a competent corporate professional - thus showing you're not stupid - to suggest that the issue is somehow that the Israel government isn't banned from buying licenses to Microsoft Outlook, while trying to purposefully deny and hide that these companies have private military contracts with the Israel government for the development of software and tools used exclusively by the Israeli state. 

 

You again show an empty website screenshot despite it being pointed out that the ways these companies have direct business to customer private contracts with the Israel state is outlined literally 100 pixels of scrolling below. Genuinely ghoulish behavior from someone whose IP should be checked to see if it's posting from a government building in DC. 

 

 

 

 

[Domination]

8 hours ago, Chemist said:

the fact that the US government is trying harder to protect Israel than anything, literally anything

In what world do Israel officials become international fugitives? This is literally not going to happen unless there's some major shift in the way things are going.  

[Chemist]

1 minute ago, Domination said:

In what world do Israel officials become international fugitives? This is literally not going to happen unless there's some major shift in the way things are going.  

[Domination]

4 minutes ago, Chemist said:

I'm saying this as someone who is anti-Israel, this means nothing. ICC has no jurisdiction in Israel (for obvious reasons) so this is basically headline fodder.

[Chemist]

11 minutes ago, Domination said:

I'm saying this as someone who is anti-Israel, this means nothing. ICC has no jurisdiction in Israel (for obvious reasons) so this is basically headline fodder.

Then why are Israeli officials so scared of getting arrest warrants? Even US legislators are threatening the ICC with sanctions if they issue any warrant

 

House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) issued a statement on Monday calling the reported warrants "disgraceful" and "lawless."

• "If unchallenged by the Biden administration, the ICC could create and assume unprecedented power to issue arrest warrants against American political leaders, American diplomats, and American military personnel," Johnson said.
• Johnson called for the Biden administration to "immediately and unequivocally demand that the ICC stand down" and "use every available tool to prevent such an abomination."
• House Foreign Affairs Committee Chair Michael McCaul (R-Texas) told Axios he expects a House version of Sen. Tom Cotton's (R-Ark.) bill to sanction ICC officials involved in investigating the U.S. and its allies, but added: "We hope it doesn't come to that."

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/29/icc-congress-netanyahu-israel-gaza

[Kassi]

19 minutes ago, Communion said:

There's something deeply dark sided and evil about someone who is a competent corporate professional - thus showing you're not stupid - to suggest that the issue is somehow that the Israel government isn't banned from buying licenses to Microsoft Outlook, while trying to purposefully deny and hide that these companies have private military contracts with the Israel government for the development of software and tools used exclusively by the Israeli state. 

 

You again show an empty website screenshot despite it being pointed out that the ways these companies have direct business to customer private contracts with the Israel state is outlined literally 100 pixels of scrolling below. Genuinely ghoulish behavior from someone whose IP should be checked to see if it's posting from a government building in DC. 

 

 

 

 

Whether Microsoft is providing Windows OS for their machines, Microsoft Office for all of their enterprise operations, or Azure Cloud for their app hosting, it all falls under "products and services" that they're receiving from Microsoft. The same products and services everyone else receives.
 

And yes, at that scale, every service is contracted. No one in the Israeli government is sitting down to order 1000s licenses from the Microsoft.com website. 

 

Which brings us back to protestor's demands… Why is divestment from the biggest companies in the world their scope? It's a wholly unserious proposal. Especially since the companies derive their value from the services they sell.
 

At least calling for an operational divestment (i.e. a boycott) of the university from the services these companies offer, while similarly outlandish and a complete non-starter, would make sense from the perspective of hurting the companies' bottom lines.
 

But, if Columbia sells stock in the most successful global companies, everyone else just buys it at a discount (that's if the stock price even budges). These demands don't move the needle on anything related to Palestinians.

[Domination]

49 minutes ago, Chemist said:

Then why are Israeli officials so scared of getting arrest warrants? Even US legislators are threatening the ICC with sanctions if they issue any warrant

 

House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) issued a statement on Monday calling the reported warrants "disgraceful" and "lawless."

• "If unchallenged by the Biden administration, the ICC could create and assume unprecedented power to issue arrest warrants against American political leaders, American diplomats, and American military personnel," Johnson said.
• Johnson called for the Biden administration to "immediately and unequivocally demand that the ICC stand down" and "use every available tool to prevent such an abomination."
• House Foreign Affairs Committee Chair Michael McCaul (R-Texas) told Axios he expects a House version of Sen. Tom Cotton's (R-Ark.) bill to sanction ICC officials involved in investigating the U.S. and its allies, but added: "We hope it doesn't come to that."

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/29/icc-congress-netanyahu-israel-gaza

Because it's awful PR. It's already being spun by the Israeli government to be a witch hunt and that they're acting in self defense. If the US and Israel are both no longer signed states, who is going to enforce these charges that would then lead them to being "international fugitives?"

[GhostBox]

 

 

[State of Grace.]

3 hours ago, oscarscheller said:

Just one example I found in a quick x search of very many. The guy in the suit is a Jewish student being denied entry by campers

Another user with <20 posts, oh lord  

 

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