Communion Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Just now, Samsara said: a liberal secular democracy How can a society be both a Jewish supremacist society and a secular one? Why is marriage an inherently Jewish institution in Israel if you claim it is secular? Interfaith marriages are banned in Israel. Why do you think that is? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samsara Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 Just now, Communion said: How else is someone meant to interpret your stance that "atheists need to lose the hatred they have and begin to understand that all religions are beautiful and meaningful...except for Islam" besides viewing you as a fascist? What other context can one interpret your statements besides in a highly racialized way? Your posts literally give 1800s European phrenologist talking about the innate superiority of the "Judeo-Christian West" and "Islamic barbarism". Your jig is up. Any reputation you had on here as just that one user really into religion is blown. Your biases and prejudices are on full display. If you scroll further back through my previous posts, you'll see numerous occasions where I've defended Islam against various misconceptions of barbarism. I'm now specifically addressing Islam in its present context. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samsara Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 10 minutes ago, Communion said: How can a society be both a Jewish supremacist society and a secular one? Why is marriage an inherently Jewish institution in Israel if you claim it is secular? Interfaith marriages are banned in Israel. Why do you think that is? There goes your ignorance. It was understood from the beginning that Israel was supposed to be a Jewish homeland, not a Jewish supremacist, similar to India being intended to be a secular country for Hindu-majority and Pakistan as homeland for Muslims. Lebanon was even designated as a homeland of Christian Arabs. This was done to mitigate conflict. The part about interfaith marriage is so trivial and not really relevant in this discussion 1 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velocity Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 19 hours ago, LadyDiana said: USA needs to put Israel under control. Jew have suffered, but israels answer to violence is ALWAYS more and more violence. We need a breakthrou for middle east and end to endless chain of violence that goes back centuries impossible considering israel has the US under control lmao it will never happen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethereal Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 1 hour ago, Samsara said: The population of Palestine did not exceed 350,000 during the in the late 19th century when the Jews started creating legal settlements in the region. The region was largely desolate and very underpopulated as documented by numerous travel accounts. The population only started to boom starting in early 20th century due to Muslim migration attracted by agricultural jobs founded by Jews. Many Muslim/Arab inhabitants at the time were not even locals but immigrants from neighboring Muslim countries. To draw a parallel to European colonization of America and paint the Palestinian Arabs as some oppressed, helpless natives that are victims of Jewish colonialism when in fact they started murdering Jews even before 1948 which started this conflict shows absolute naivete and shortsightedness and blatant disregard for history. You probably don't even know that the leader of the Arab movement opposed to Zionism was a close ally of Hitler and supported the Holocaust. Most of Palestinian Arab population is native there. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region) Compare the Christian grownth as the standart for birthrates grownth (given how human population started increasing exponentially in 19th and 20th century compared to previous eras) they have similar grownth rate with Muslim population increase. (and even the Jewish ones before the settlers came by) Some migrants might comeby but it's not the vast majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Samsara said: There goes your ignorance. It was understood from the beginning that Israel was supposed to be a Jewish homeland, not a Jewish supremacist There goes your ignorance. non-democratic foundational laws: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Law:_Israel_as_the_Nation-State_of_the_Jewish_People colonial laws that Israel adapted from Britain's colonial era and still implement them as collective punishment on Palestinians: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_(Emergency)_Regulations (for example, they used these colonial laws yesterday in order to restrict the Palestinian residents of Jayyus from leaving their homes on Eid day) Discriminatory laws data base (48' borders) https://www.adalah.org/en/law/index Bonus; in august of last year they even passed a law that says Palestinian rapists must receive harsher punishments than Jewish rapists: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-sex-crime-law-jews-lesser-punishment-condemned Edited April 11 by Jjang 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jjang Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 3 minutes ago, Aethereal said: Most of Palestinian Arab population is native there. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region) Compare the Christian grownth as the standart for birthrates grownth (given how human population started increasing exponentially in 19th and 20th century compared to previous eras) they have similar grownth rate with Muslim population increase. (and even the Jewish ones before the settlers came by) Some migrants might comeby but it's not the vast majority. pretty much everything that member is on gets clocked in this debate with this equally deranged Zionist: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headlock Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 1 hour ago, Samsara said: It's not my fault that your school failed to educate you on The absolute irony of this statement combined with your posts 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cesar Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 2 hours ago, Samsara said: It's not my fault that your school failed to educate you on the profound impact of religion on society. And what school did you go to? Im genuinely curious 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixen Eyes Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 yet another step towards a world war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gov Hooka Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 On 4/10/2024 at 7:14 PM, Jjang said: ^^^ These members just recycle arguments from the Hasbara 101 propaganda book or from StandWithUs. This is why Deconolize Palestine. com was created! feel free to search any argument (and I do mean any) they come up with and this site will provide you with direct answers to their copy pasted or re-phrased propaganda: https://decolonizepalestine.com/ Yoooo I did not know about this site!!! Gonna send to all my friends!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Harrier Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Israel brought it upon it self with its aggression. however this is not something we should celebrate, escalation isn't good for anyone 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaia Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 I mean open attacks on Israel would give them the justification they need to keep everything going when the US is finally feeling pressured to at least appear to care. so it'll just turn into "Oh looks Israel is being attacked, we have to keep giving them money and weapons" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP3 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 If Iran get involved it would definitely be the start of something bigger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) Not people trying to paint this as a PR win for Israel when even Iran is seemingly out-manuvering them and goading Israel nto being the kind of warmongers everyone knows their current government and large swaths of their people are. All those Iranian diaspora right-wing Persians who identify as white, still post about wanting the Shah back, and have claimed Israel is a beacon of liberal values in a sea of Islamic Arabic barbarism? Well guess who's currently fuming in the tweets of the biggest Israeli accounts on Twitter currently joking about yolking the **** out of Tehran. Edited April 12 by Communion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 1 hour ago, Gaia said: I mean open attacks on Israel would give them the justification they need to keep everything going when the US is finally feeling pressured to at least appear to care. so it'll just turn into "Oh looks Israel is being attacked, we have to keep giving them money and weapons" Iran would look weak and feckless if they didn't bomb the **** out of Israel (and America if they jump to their defense like Biden asserts we will) for what they've done. Just say that Israel should get to strike everyone they want with impunity, since that's basically what your posts amount to. This changes nothing, because the US is -still- giving Israel weapons no matter what. All of the "pressure" is fake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ZeroSuitBritney Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 3 minutes ago, SmittenCake said: America thinks Israel is the only country in the region that "has a right to defend itself". This is now an Iran stan account. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gov Hooka Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 May Israel suffer 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethereal Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 All of the big state-attacks on Israel did not end up well. The only thing that Israel might lose against Iran is in ground operations, because the Iran's population is disproportionately way higher. Technologically, speaking, Israel is more advanced. I don't think Iran will go hardcore on Israel but they are up to something with those attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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