news Israel/Iran conflict thread

[ZeroSuitBritney]

get em Iran!

[Shelter]

Will they ignore this warning too like they did Hamas? 

 

6 hours to get help for those at the festival. You have to wonder why? 

[Samsara]

2 hours ago, pisuke said:

Maybe Israel shouldn't exist in the first place?

Yes. There would only be peace in the Middle East if everyone there is of the same supremacist race/religion. Minorities shouldn't have their own countries and are only subjugates of this supremacist race/religion.

[Jjang]

23 minutes ago, CandleGuy said:

A one state solution where citizens of each side have openly supported the murder of citizens of the other side? 

 

Make it make sense.

 

There is no logical reason a two-state solution can't be achieved.

You guys should really google apartheid SA and Jim Crow defenders… you'll be shook at how similar your arguments are.  

 

Either way. It's one piece of small land that the two people are already living on. You guys are acting like they're so far away from each other… Jersey city and Manhattan are more far away. 

 

Realistically, if you're right, then don't you think having a full on now officially militarized enemy state deadass next door an even bigger existential crisis for Israel than, you know, just giving Palestinians civil rights? 

Edited April 10 by Jjang

[Jack!]

Iran won't be the only ones if things keep going the way things are going.

[Almighty Gaga]

Sounds like a made up scenario to be used as an excuse so the US can stick its nose into another country's business

[BGKC]

What's crazy to me Is the fact that Iran hasn't actually been an aggressive country and hasn't invaded another country in over a century. It has its own skeletons regarding revolutionary ideologies and its proxies, but Western media would have you thinking they're about to drop a bomb on every corner of the planet ant any given minute. It's projection at its finest. Especially when the US, Israel and Saudi Arabia work together as the biggest and baddest financiers of invasions and terror on the planet.

Edited April 10 by BGKC

[Sun]

27 minutes ago, Headlock said:

Including Israel, which is why these kumbaya statements never work.

 

And, once again, Israel not existing does not mean Israeli citizens leave the area. They would live in Palestine.

Which will never happen. So, now that we brought you back to reality on planet Earth...

 

[Bloodflowers.]

This doesn't sound good. Could potentially lead to World War 3 if USA decides to step in.

[Samsara]

1 hour ago, State of Grace. said:

"I'm not taking sides! Everyone involved is bad!" automatically translates to you being on Israel's side. 

 

It's quite easy to take sides when there's only one apartheid ethno-state committing genocide here. One that has no right to exist in the first place. 

 

What Liberal Zionists and even the "I just want peace" crowd refuse to get is that being pro-Palestine doesn't mean we're pro-Iran and support everything that country does/has done.

Israel has become an "apartheid ethno-state" that has no right to exist only in the context that it destroys the globalist agenda of a real apartheid, supremacist religion. What you're accusing Israel of actually applies better to the side you're rooting for. Israel is forced to become an apartheid because there's no room for any other religion in an Islam-dominated region. The whole region has to be Islamic with a few, small minorities being subjugates to the Islamic ruling class.

[State of Grace.]

That @Sun clown has to be the the dupe of that Israeli Cardi B fan that got banned months ago for quite literally being pro-genocide 

[Sun]

2 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

That @Sun clown has to be the the dupe of that Israeli Cardi B fan that got banned months ago for quite literally being pro-genocide 

? this is literally my first time on this forum after being a guest for a year, lmao. And where did I say I was pro-genocide? Me stating we shouldn't be rooting for a country led by a dictator and arguably another terrorist group attack another country and cause WW3 means I'm pro-genocide? I know it's difficult to use your brain, but please try to do so.

[Archetype]

The truth is that this will only make things worse for the Iranian people  

Not that I don't see their rationale for possibly doing this, but the highly educated people of Iran want nothing to do with this.  Crazy how Iran would be the economic and cultural capital of the ME, and honestly deserves to be so, if it wasn't for foreign intervention and the authoritarian regimes ruling the country.

Edited April 10 by Archetype

[State of Grace.]

1 minute ago, Samsara said:

Israel is forced to become an apartheid 

 

 

It is not a religious conflict no matter how many times you Zionists continue to perpetuate this myth. It's colonialism, occupation, and genocide. This "Jews vs Muslims" narrative has been pushed for so long and only dismisses the existence of Christian Palestinians who are also getting murdered by Israel. So stop using Jewish people as pawns to justify genocide.

 

 

[Jjang]

9 minutes ago, Samsara said:

Israel has become an "apartheid ethno-state" that has no right to exist only in the context that it destroys the globalist agenda of a real apartheid, supremacist religion. What you're accusing Israel of actually applies better to the side you're rooting for. Israel is forced to become an apartheid because there's no room for any other religion in an Islam-dominated region. The whole region has to be Islamic with a few, small minorities being subjugates to the Islamic ruling class.

and there you have it guys. Apartheid supporters.

 

I remember the days when this was flat out denied. Now we're back to justifying systemic oppression with cheap racist tropes. 

 

"we have the wolf by the ear, and we can neither hold him nor safely let him go. Justice is in one scale, and self-preservation in the other" 

 

Jefferson on slavery. 

 

Also: 

 

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190423-israels-anti-bds-tactics-mirror-white-south-africas-defence-of-apartheid/amp/

 

Also: 

 

 

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This is hardly a new or radical position, such an entity was suggested by the Arab states as a counter-proposal to the 1947 partition plan. Naturally, this was rejected by the Zionists. That we barely ever hear about the offers that the Yishuv/Israel rejected should be an indicator of the nature of mainstream discussions on Palestine and the silencing of Palestinian voices. The Palestinian Liberation Organization also called for establishing a secular, democratic unitary state for all its citizens. Naturally, none of these proposals included genocide, ethnic cleansing or mass murder. 

These anxieties are not unique to Jewish Israelis, settlers in many different colonies throughout history have echoed these same sentiments. If we were to take a look at the narrative surrounding anti-Apartheid South Africa activism and boycotts, we would find eerily similar projections and arguments.

For example, In an article for the Globe and Mail under the title "The good side of white South Africa" Kenneth Walker argued that ending the Apartheid system and giving everyone an equal vote would be a "a recipe for slaughter in South Africa". Others, such as Shingler, echoed similar claims, saying that anti-racist activists were actually not interested in ending Apartheid as a policy, but in South Africa as a society. Others came out to claim these activists were actually motivated by "anti-white racism", fueled by "Black imperialism". Political comics displayed a giant soviet bear, bearing down on South Africa declaring "We shall drive South Africa into the Sea!"

Sound familiar?

 

 

[Samsara]

1 minute ago, State of Grace. said:

 

 

It is not a religious conflict no matter how many times you Zionists continue to perpetuate this myth. It's colonialism, occupation, and genocide. This "Jews vs Muslims" narrative has been pushed for so long and only dismisses the existence of Christian Palestinians who are also getting murdered by Israel. So stop using Jewish people as pawns to justify genocide.

 

 

Do you see any Christian or even a secular country in the Muslim world? From Afghanistan to the whole Middle East to North Africa the official religion is Islam with the notable exception of Israel which now exists only due to its unwavering resolve to fight for its right to exist. You want the Jews to go down the path of the Kurds, Assyrians, Copts, Druze, etc which are now all subjugates and considered second-class citizens in Islamic societies? Saying Israel has no right to exist is literally reinforcing the Islamist supremacist agenda that no religion/ethnicity of equal status has a right to exist in the Middle East, that the whole region should be Islamic.

[Samsara]

13 minutes ago, Jjang said:

and there you have it guys. Apartheid supporters.

 

I remember the days when this was flat out denied. Now we're back to justifying systemic oppression with cheap racist tropes. 

 

"we have the wolf by the ear, and we can neither hold him nor safely let him go. Justice is in one scale, and self-preservation in the other" 

 

Jefferson on slavery. 

 

Also: 

 

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190423-israels-anti-bds-tactics-mirror-white-south-africas-defence-of-apartheid/amp/

 

Also: 

 

 

 

 

I've enclosed "apartheid" in quotes because it differs from the apartheid in South Africa. It's not rooted in colonialism or racial supremacy. Israel is merely defending its right to exist, which leads to it being labeled as apartheid. The Palestinian objective explicitly includes the eradication of Jews, as stated in their constitution. How do you exactly address such a genocidal stance?

[Jjang]

12 minutes ago, Samsara said:

I've enclosed "apartheid" in quotes because it differs from the apartheid in South Africa. It's not rooted in colonialism or racial supremacy. Israel is merely defending its right to exist, which leads to it being labeled as apartheid. The Palestinian objective explicitly includes the eradication of Jews, as stated in their constitution. How do you exactly address such a genocidal stance?

 

Those lies have expired and are all beyond easily debunkable with a simple Google search. Israel's founding fathers couldn't shut up about the need for Zionism to develop as a colonial project in nature in order to sustain itself. 

 

Also, we've seen what "Israel defending its right to exist" looks like in real time - and this is what I want outside observers reading this conversation to note and recognize this pattern. How easy they blur the lines between genocide and "self defense". How shamelessly, even. 

 

 

Edited April 10 by Jjang

[BGKC]

1 hour ago, Samsara said:

Israel has become an "apartheid ethno-state" that has no right to exist only in the context that it destroys the globalist agenda of a real apartheid, supremacist religion. What you're accusing Israel of actually applies better to the side you're rooting for. Israel is forced to become an apartheid because there's no room for any other religion in an Islam-dominated region. The whole region has to be Islamic with a few, small minorities being subjugates to the Islamic ruling class.

They became an apartheid state from conception the moment they expelled 750,000 Palestinians. Israel wouldn't exist as we know it if it wasn't for the way the British formally occupied Palestine before granting the occupation to Zionists…. but just like that, the Jews Europe spent centuries trying to get rid of are now victims of Islam that need to be militarily defended at all costs. It was always a strategy for western powers to move in and invade the Arab world. A whole new genocide. The "right to exist" could have applied anywhere be it in Europe as reparation (sectioning off a part of Germany as the new Israel) or in central Africa as it was once proposed. 

Edited April 10 by BGKC

[Samsara]

12 minutes ago, Jjang said:

 

Those lies have expired and are all beyond easily debunkable with a simple Google search. Israel's founding fathers couldn't shut up about the need for Zionism to develop as a colonial project in nature in order to sustain itself. 

 

Also, we've seen what "Israel defending its right to exist" looks like in real time - and this is what I want outside observers reading this conversation to note and recognize this pattern. How easy they blur the lines between genocide and "self defense". How shamelessly, even. 

 

 

A genocide perpetrated by Hamas by using their own population as human shields, and constructing tunnels and hiding artilleries all across civilian areas. Hamas literally set up their own people to perish. The Hamas leader doesn't even care about his OWN children getting killed, so why should Israel? 

 

Sons and grandchildren of Hamas leader killed in Gaza airstrike

[Jjang]

1 minute ago, Samsara said:

A genocide perpetrated by Hamas by using their own population as human shields, and constructing tunnels and hiding artilleries all across civilian areas. Hamas literally set up their own people to perish. The Hamas leader doesn't even care about his OWN children getting killed, so why should Israel? 

 

Sons and grandchildren of Hamas leader killed in Gaza airstrike

Yawn. 

[Samsara]

4 minutes ago, BGKC said:

They became an apartheid state from conception the moment they expelled 750,000 Palestinians. Israel wouldn't exist as we know it if it wasn't for the way the British formally occupied Palestine before granting the occupation to Zionists…. but just like that, the Jews Europe spent centuries trying to get rid of are now victims of Islam that need to be militarily defended at all costs. It was always a strategy for western powers to move in and invade the Arab world. A whole new genocide. The "right to exist" could have applied anywhere be it in Europe as reparation (sectioning off a part of Germany as the new Israel) or in central Africa as it was once proposed. 

Why would the Jews want to establish a country of their own in the same country that attempted to wipe them out? This doesn't even make sense and doesn't account for the traumatic history that they endured. Given that most Jews were already residing in the Middle East, and the Land of Israel was largely barren and uncultivated at the time, it makes logical sense that it was chosen as the ideal location for establishing a Jewish homeland, rather than relocating them to a distant and unfamiliar area in the middle of the Sahara Desert.

[Jjang]

^^^ These members just recycle arguments from the Hasbara 101 propaganda book or from StandWithUs. 

 

This is why Deconolize Palestine. com was created! feel free to search any argument (and I do mean any) they come up with and this site will provide you with direct answers to their copy pasted or re-phrased propaganda: https://decolonizepalestine.com/ 

 

 

 

[Communion]

2 hours ago, Samsara said:

Minorities shouldn't have their own countries

I mean you say this like as though you're saying something meaningful despite the fact that...this IS the view largely held in America. Ethno-states are not popular concepts in America. The whole "a nation is a people of a shared ethnicity and every ethnicity should have its own nation, Poland for the Poles, Germany for the Germans, etc" is a very non-American approach to citizenship. 

 

Of course no country *has* to follow America, but then why are my tax dollars - as a citizen of the world's melting pot - being funneled into a corrupt Jewish supremacist theocracy committing a genocide? If American liberals actually lived by their proclaimed values on race and diversity, they'd acknowledge Israel's existence is at odds with liberal values and the nation of Israel should be dissolved. 

 

Also, if borders and ethnic groups were so intertwined to begin with...why did the West largely ignore such when first carving up the Middle East to begin with?

[Communion]

Whew I knew your faux Bible theologian nonsense wall of text posts over the years where you'd write about some obscure fact on Christianity in 1456 to somehow prove its philosophical superiority were only ever a front to hide you being a Christofascist. @Samsara 

 

 

Edited April 11 by Communion