BrandNewBrandon Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) Even ChatGPT knows this: Mariah Carey and a few rock bands did have fandom names BUT they were rare and most popstars and artists did not have any. Pre-2009 if you were a fan of someone you were a "Britney fan" or a "Backstreet Boys fan" or a "Michael Jackson fan" or a "Justin Timberlake fan". No one had nicknames. Then in 2009 Gaga coined "Little Monsters" and EVERY artist that was smashing at the time followed suit and suddenly we had a fandom name for practically every artist's fanbase. Even the ones who pre-dated Gaga such as Britney Spears or Rihanna started naming their fandoms. So if you ever feel the need to drag ha through the mud remember you're a "________ (insert fandom name)" because of Lady Gaga. If you erased Gaga from pop culture you would probably just be a stan or fan without any specific name for your fanbase. Edited March 26 by BrandNewBrandon 30 1 2 31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JO1s Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 No, K-pop did. 12 2 1 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugar-Rush Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Yes Gaga Yes Nicknames 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandNewBrandon Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 (edited) 4 minutes ago, JO1s said: No, K-pop did. In the Western world it wasn't popular until Lady Gaga. K-Pop had it but it didn't make it a trend in the US. Same way Elvis popularized rock'n'roll, Michael Jackson popularized the moonwalk etc. It wasn't invented by her but she is the main reason why it blew up in 2009 in Western music. Edited March 26 by BrandNewBrandon 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JO1s Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 1 minute ago, BrandNewBrandon said: In the Western world it wasn't popular until Lady Gaga. K-Pop had it but it didn't make it a trend in the US. Same way Elvis popularized rock'n'roll, Michael Jackson popularized the moonwalk etc. It wasn't invented by her but she is the main reason why it blew up in 2009 in Western music. Moving the goalpost. 10 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastedpotential Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) Now which one of you is Mathieu Deflem? I'm not surprised, a lot of modern, social-media fanbase culture was pioneered by the Liddos. Edited March 26 by wastedpotential 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandNewBrandon Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 2 minutes ago, JO1s said: Moving the goalpost. WTF. You RAN in here misreading the entire thread. K-Pop did not popularize fandom names outside of K-Pop. K-Pop wasn't even a thing outside of Asia in 2009 The moment Gaga splashed onto the scene is when it started taking off in the US. No one is discrediting K-Pop, it's just that it wasn't a thing anywhere but Asia until Gaga. 11 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericcartman Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 She may have popularized it but Mariah did it first with Lambs even if it didn't become a trend. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popboi. Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 One could say Little Monsters and Believers made it a "trend" in the mainstream. Some like Mariah already had established fanbase names since the 90s. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezebelvictoria Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 No. I'll always think of Mariah when it comes to this subject. 15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandNewBrandon Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 Just now, ericcartman said: She may have popularized it but Mariah did it first with Lambs even if it didn't become a trend. She was to fandom names what Elvis was to Rock'n'Roll. Mariah is the Chuck Berry of fandom names 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JO1s Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) 23 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: So if you ever feel the need to drag ha through the mud remember you're a "________ (insert fandom name)" because of Lady Gaga. If you erased Gaga from pop culture you would probably just be a stan or fan without any specific name for your fanbase. 4 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: WTF. You RAN in here misreading the entire thread. K-Pop did not popularize fandom names outside of K-Pop. K-Pop wasn't even a thing outside of Asia in 2009 The moment Gaga splashed onto the scene is when it started taking off in the US. No one is discrediting K-Pop, it's just that it wasn't a thing anywhere but Asia until Gaga. No you're just mad someone's challenging your blatant lies… But if you want to have this since Gaga's music career is so boring I'll let you have it. Edited March 26 by JO1s 8 2 2 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suburbannature Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 The way that's literally untrue. 11 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornings Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 I honestly just hate the mindset that gay people and people who don't fit in with what we is popular are "monsters" I am still bitter about that. I'll never let you call me a monster, stenfani 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuburbanSluts Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 The fact that Queenlor is the only pop star mentioned in the OP that is still relevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandNewBrandon Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 Just now, JO1s said: No you're just mad someone's challenging your blatant lies… My goodness. It never said she invented it https://www.vice.com/en/article/pakq59/lady-gaga-online-fandom-culture-little-monsters Read the article and the thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JO1s Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Just now, BrandNewBrandon said: My goodness. It never said she invented it https://www.vice.com/en/article/pakq59/lady-gaga-online-fandom-culture-little-monsters Read the article and the thread. Just because some Gaga Stan wrote it at vice doesn't make it true. 12 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandNewBrandon Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 1 minute ago, suburbannature said: The way that's literally untrue. It is though. Mariah came before Lady Gaga but most acts in the 90s did not have a fandom name. Most acts in the 2000s did not have fandom names. Then, post-2009 after Gaga everyone did. But anyway, the articles are there, Mariah was already given credit in the OP. Do you guys not read the entire thing 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandNewBrandon Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 1 minute ago, JO1s said: Just because some Gaga Stan wrote it at vice doesn't make it true. But anyone alive at the time will confirm that before Gaga fandom names were rare. After Lady Gaga everyone had it. Like I lived through the 2000s and most did not have fandom names but circa 2010 I remember the media running with Little Monsters and then gradually seeing every popstar from the 2000s coming out with a fandom name that they did not have before. This isn't a fight or anything. K-Pop and Mariah did it before but it didn't become a trend until Gaga. No one is discrediting anyone. 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suburbannature Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 2 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: It is though. Mariah came before Lady Gaga but most acts in the 90s did not have a fandom name. Most acts in the 2000s did not have fandom names. Then, post-2009 after Gaga everyone did. But anyway, the articles are there, Mariah was already given credit in the OP. Do you guys not read the entire thing The AI in the OP says she pioneered it and did it first, which is wildly untrue. And Lambs were already a mainstream thing in the 90s-00s and mentioned by name on MTV, BET, and print media frequently. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandNewBrandon Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 Just now, suburbannature said: The AI in the OP says she pioneered it and did it first, which is wildly untrue. And Lambs were already a mainstream thing in the 90s-00s and mentioned by name on MTV, BET, and print media frequently. https://www.vice.com/en/article/pakq59/lady-gaga-online-fandom-culture-little-monsters "But it wasn't until the summer of 2009 that these aforementioned kids were given a name: "Little Monsters", which she began calling out to the crowd during her live shows. Giving a whole fandom a nickname of sorts was already commonplace in K-pop, but Gaga was the first to do it on such a grand scale in a western context – using it to describe the way fans would writhe, scream and dance in the pits of her high-octane performances. Naming her fans did two things. First, it created an "us" and "them" narrative. You were either a true Gaga fan, or you weren't. And second, it grouped them all together in a way that made sense online. For a generation of kids who existed on the internet, being a Little Monster meant more than going to a few gigs. It meant having a support network of like-minded people from around the world that you could interact with, like an extended family. Finally, there was a name for all the people who spent their waking hours immersed in the online world of Lady Gaga; one that was getting bigger by the year." It has always been about popularizing it. Mariah had it but she did factually not make a trend as in most artist post-Mariah didn't do it until 2009 after Gaga. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC. Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Maybe she did. Also, she addressed her fans as Monsters first and then it caught on. Most of the others are self dubbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BnPac Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Maybe in the mainstream but Hive and Lambs were already a thing way before that. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post perfect blue Posted March 26 Popular Post Share Posted March 26 LADY GAGA was the first Italian, non-kpop, non-Mariah Carey, non-rock artist from New York to popularize fandom names. Give credit where credit is due. 1 33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandNewBrandon Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 5 minutes ago, BnPac said: Maybe in the mainstream but Hive and Lambs were already a thing way before that. As for Lambs YES. But not Beyoncé. Nowhere did she call her fanbase the Beyhive pre-2009: The Bey Hive is the name given to the fan base of American R&B singer, songwriter and actress Beyoncé Knowles. The name originated in 2011 when Knowles acknowledged the fans on her official website, previously titled as the Beyontourage, a portmanteau of Beyoncé and entourage. After creating and publishing her alternate website, Knowles officially referenced her fans as the BeyHive, a dubbed title used by fans following Knowles second studio album B'Day (2006) and the heavy use of the concept of bees. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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