HardBambi Posted January 18 Author Posted January 18 2 minutes ago, playwithme said: I haven't heard a single Janet song apart from So Excited. In a way that’s her coolest song and video so it’s hard to top that but I’d recommend you give a listen to: All for You Someone to call my lover Doesn't really matter Together again Runaway And if you want a bit more: Son of a gun If you feel brave: If And in case you got into it: That's the way love goes to cement your new found the 1
GlamSlam Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stankonia said: Idk you tell me weirdo! Janet just announced a 2nd leg to her tour and that was enough to get quite a few of your fellow M stans to hate on twitter. I can't count how many completely unprovoked hate tweets coming from pressed Madonna stans I've seen since Janet started her tour so y'all are clearly insecure about something. Sure you do. Oh dear, starting your post by calling me a weirdo isn't a good look, hon, it just reinforces how it's actually the other way around based on all the crap you've spewed on here about Madonna and her fans. As I said, we don't have any reason to be "pressed", whereas you DO, and your hatred of her (as well as her fans) generally ends up permeating an entire thread. Her fans have been attacking Madonna for decades and you need to get over it. In fact, I'd lay good money on the "100% Janet Queen of Pop" twitter page being your account - considering it amplifies each of your delusional ATRL posts. Edited January 18 by GlamSlam 2 2 1 4
Stankonia Posted January 18 Posted January 18 3 minutes ago, GlamSlam said: Oh dear, starting your erm...post by calling me a weirdo isn't a good look, hon. It just reinforces how it's actually the other way around based on all the crap you've spewed on here about Madonna and her fans. As I said before, we don't have any reason to be "pressed", whereas you DO, and your hatred of her (as well as her fans) generally ends up permeating an entire thread. People like you have been attacking Madonna for decades and you need to get over it. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd lay good money on the "100% Jnet Queen of Pop" twitter being your twitter account, considering it amplifies each and every one of your delusional posts on ATRL. shut up weirdo 1 6
dirrtydiana Posted January 18 Posted January 18 1 minute ago, HardBambi said: In a way that’s her coolest song and video so it’s hard to top that but I’d recommend you give a listen to: All for You Doesn't really matter Together again Runaway Those are her poppiest hits. I personally love All Nite (don’t stop) strawberry bounce If That’s the way love goes Throb Got Till it’s gone Her 80s sound is a staple in pop music too: Rhythm Nation (song) When I think of you What have you done for me lately? Pleasure Principle Nasty
GlamSlam Posted January 18 Posted January 18 1 minute ago, Stankonia said: shut up weirdo Go and stream your fave. (she certainly needs it) 8 7
Bussea Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) are we going to do this thread every week it’s just the same dumb people claiming they only listened to the same two songs. unless yall are going to stream her music since it bothers you so bad, idk why you’re fixated on her streaming numbers. Edited January 18 by Cult Leader 𐕣𐕣 2
Stankonia Posted January 18 Posted January 18 Just now, GlamSlam said: Go and stream your fave. (she certainly needs it) I'd tell you to go stream your fave's last 3 albums but I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy given how unlistenable her music and vocals have become 1 1 8
GlamSlam Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Stankonia said: I'd tell ou to go stream your fave's last 3 albums but I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy given how unlistenable her music and vocals have become At least they're being streamed! I suggest you check the stats for Janet's entire discography. I wonder what that says about her. Edited January 18 by GlamSlam 1 3 1
halcyonday Posted January 18 Posted January 18 she's a fad she's unknown she's forgotten she's no icon/legend she has no impact she has no famous songs/albums 1 1 1 7
HardBambi Posted January 18 Author Posted January 18 15 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said: Those are her poppiest hits. I personally love All Nite (don’t stop) strawberry bounce If That’s the way love goes Throb Got Till it’s gone Her 80s sound is a staple in pop music too: Rhythm Nation (song) When I think of you What have you done for me lately? Pleasure Principle Nasty The poppiest are easy to listen to that’s why I recommended them I love 80’s Janet of course Also 90’s Janet of course Let’s just say that my We belong together is I get lonely! I was a kid and I remember I get lonely entering Hot100 straight at 4 (on her birthday) I was a stan! 1
folkhoax Posted January 18 Posted January 18 I love 90s Janet. Got til it's gone Runaway That's the way love goes Everything Again Hit after hit 1
kishi Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) 3 hours ago, Pheromosa said: She was a victim of one of the most successful smear campaigns in history. Are you 12? This. And she doesn't have a major record label anymore or an aggressive machine/team. Just her catalog and name, really. Not sure how she's forgotten especially when she's been a HUGE inspiration to the most successful pop artists of today! Edited January 18 by kishi
Mr. Mendes Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) Honestly, aside from the obvious screw job done on her in the 2000s, I think it probably comes down to poor management of her streaming by her label/team. Madonna was in a similar position for awhile. She was never that low, but she was most definitely pulling far less than someone of her stature should and it's because her streaming was an absolute mess. Too many different versions (still a problem even today honestly), little playlisting, what was playlisted was illogical, etc. Only in the last few years has there been a concentrated effort to fix that, and it's helped her numbers tremendously. Janet by the looks of it just isn't very organized on streaming. Her playlist presence--especially on 80s and 90s centric playlists which is a huge boost for legacy artists--is minimal (she's on 8 playlists that direct back to her artist page and they are really, really irrelevant ones), and the curation of her hits playlist is really piss poor. Even if Janet is unknown outside the US and Asia as some point out, her streams could and should be better even with just those two regions. It's just not being managed well. It seems to not even be a thought or priority for her team to do what needs to be done with her streaming page. Edited January 18 by Mr. Mendes 4
swissman Posted January 18 Posted January 18 5 hours ago, HardBambi said: Why is Janet Jackson doing so poorly on streaming? Is it lack of playlisting, not enough effort done by her record company or has her music aged badly? She has only 5.4 monthly listeners and no song over 200 million streams which is simply unacceptable because she was incredibly big in the 80’s 90s and she even has 2 Hot100 number 1s in the 2000s (Doesn’t really matter and All for You) I found this top 10 of pre-90s female artists on Spotify if anyone has a top 20 or know where Janet is on the list pls help. Top 10 Pre-1990s Female Artists on Spotify: 1. Madonna (7B streams) 2. Whitney Houston (5.9B) 3. Celine Dion (4.7B) 4. Ella Fitzgerald (3B) 5. Dolly Parton (2.9B) 6. Enya (2.9B) 7. Aretha Franklin (2.9B) 8. Kylie Minogue (2.5B) 9. Tina Turner (2.3B) 10. Cyndi Lauper (2.3B) Why do you think this is and do you think thinks will get better or worse for her in the streaming era? PS: No offence to Kylie fans but for me to see Kylie above Janet it’s shocking and I’ll tell you why, 10 Billboard number 1s, not everyone has that! You haven't mentioned that she was essentially blacklisted in 2004, and if not banned, her image and the way the public saw her had totally changed to that of ridicule and this totally derailed the success and notoriety of her career. To put this in perspective, between 1986 and 2022, ALL but FIVE of her 28 charting singles peaked at #5 or higher. Of the remaining five, three still went Top Ten. Nothing she released for 16 years peaked lower than #28. In the 1990s, nothing she charted missed the Top Ten. But after the Super Bowl, the single she had out peaked at #45, the next one #57. On her two next albums her peaks for charting singles were #25, #90, #19, but in the lat 17 years nothing has peaked higher than #63. All this is to say, while Janet certainly has love and support behind her now more than ever since 2004, her success, impact and notoriety was basically wiped away since 2004, and Gen Z being those who stream the most, they would have very little knowledge of her. Comparing he to those listed, none of them had a major backlash against them, all of them (whether they charted well or not since their heyday) have enjoyed generally positive branding in the media. Also, I don't think Janet was very encouraged to keep her legacy up as it should be, whereas many of those listed have. 3
Zefierce Posted January 18 Posted January 18 20 minutes ago, halcyonday said: she's a fad she's unknown she's forgotten she's no icon/legend she has no impact she has no famous songs/albums This is correct I fear 2
Khal Posted January 18 Posted January 18 4 hours ago, MattieB said: Africa/ middle east arent desolate lands. 100% of the continent (africa) has internet and they stream, if not on spotify/apple music then on youtube. They're just less likely to be included Where are you getting these stats that the entirety of the continent has access to internet? That is obviously untrue 1
kishi Posted January 18 Posted January 18 1 hour ago, Moth 2 The Flame said: Funnily enough, Janet will be getting a 500M streamed song on Spotify soon...as a songwriter, Poetic Justice by Kendrick Lamar & Drake which samples Janet's Anytime, Anyplace song is currently at 483M streams and getting 200-300k daily streams. Also, Janet does pretty well on Pandora. I think ATAP is her most streamed, if not one of her most streamed there.
PopKills Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) Forgotten in the US, unknown everywhere else. Plus, no classics. Edited January 18 by PopKills
HardBambi Posted January 18 Author Posted January 18 @swissman Outside America no one ever cared about the SB accident/ban in my opinion And yes I know about her chart achievements! She was huge! I’m glad that Together again it’s her is T streamed song, such a cool tune, it was a vibe back then, it did really well in Europe too
Moth 2 The Flame Posted January 18 Posted January 18 7 minutes ago, kishi said: Also, Janet does pretty well on Pandora. I think ATAP is her most streamed, if not one of her most streamed there. I saved screenshots of her Pandora streaming numbers just before the service providing these data went private in November 2021. Anytime, Anyplace was at 188M streams by that time and was her most streamed song. It's definitely passed 200M by now. All For You & Let's Wait Awhile would be at least 100M or close to it by now as well so she would possibly have 5 100M streamed songs on there. Her Spotify streams are catching up to her Pandora streams and will eventually surpass them given Spotify is way bigger than Pandora. 1 minute ago, HardBambi said: @swissman Outside America no one ever cared about the SB accident/ban in my opinion And yes I know about her chart achievements! She was huge! I’m glad that Together again it’s her is T streamed song, such a cool tune, it was a vibe back then, it did really well in Europe too I don't know about other countries mostly but here in Australia, the media used the SB accident to tarnish her image and reputation as an artist, I wasn't even a Janet fan back then and recall how much tabloid news it made down here. There was one distinct review of Damita Jo I remember in a newspaper basically dissing every song on the album and trying to link it back to the SB accident despite the album having nothing to do with the SB performance. So even if there was no blacklisting outside of the US, the media seemed to have followed along with the US in abandoning Janet. 1
ohwow Posted January 18 Posted January 18 racism/misogyny but i feel like her discography is just waiting to be discovered and eventually she will bounce back, all it takes is some random tiktok thing and her numbers could rise, especially songs like together again, what have you done for me lately, feedback, etc. 1
swissman Posted January 18 Posted January 18 12 minutes ago, HardBambi said: @swissman Outside America no one ever cared about the SB accident/ban in my opinion And yes I know about her chart achievements! She was huge! I’m glad that Together again it’s her is T streamed song, such a cool tune, it was a vibe back then, it did really well in Europe too Sure, there's that factor. But America has always been her biggest market. It's also the biggest music market in the world, the market with the most WW influence on musical trends, and is the country with the most Spotify users, so I think mentioning the extent of her blacklist and subsequent ridicule in that market due to a scandal happening at that market's biggest entertainment event of the year is of important distinction in this thread. And though she may never have had the level of success outside the USA than within it, her post-2004 low showings on the US charts and her subsequent disinterest in participating in the pop game that so scorned her has inevitable effect on the world stage such that she's either 1) not regularly releasing nor promoting her catalogue or 2) not having the baseline success in her home country that might still trickle into minor successes and continued notoriety elsewhere. 2
kishi Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Moth 2 The Flame said: I saved screenshots of her Pandora streaming numbers just before the service providing these data went private in November 2021. Anytime, Anyplace was at 188M streams by that time and was her most streamed song. It's definitely passed 200M by now. All For You & Let's Wait Awhile would be at least 100M or close to it by now as well so she would possibly have 5 100M streamed songs on there. Her Spotify streams are catching up to her Pandora streams and will eventually surpass them given Spotify is way bigger than Pandora. I don't know about other countries mostly but here in Australia, the media used the SB accident to tarnish her image and reputation as an artist, I wasn't even a Janet fan back then and recall how much tabloid news it made down here. There was one distinct review of Damita Jo I remember in a newspaper basically dissing every song on the album and trying to link it back to the SB accident despite the album having nothing to do with the SB performance. So even if there was no blacklisting outside of the US, the media seemed to have followed along with the US in abandoning Janet. Thank you! The Superbowl also affected her relationship with Virgin Records and impacted her promotion globally. She was only getting urban radio support stateside and minimal support overseas for Damita Jo and 20 Y.O. Edited January 18 by kishi 1
swissman Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) It's a shame the younger generation (and the one of her time, too) aren't streaming her more, because she really is one of the most innovative and important popstars of all time. I wonder if it's simply a matter that she was so important and impactful to pop that her influence's ubiquity makes it so that people just assume it wasn't HER who had the impact, but that she was just part of a wave. Beyoncé owes TONS to Janet, both in the use and discussion of politics in her work, but also sonically. Stylistically, Britney is more Janet's son than Madonna's. With Madonna she just shares the blonde sex symbol image. With Janet she received influence in the music specifically, the choreography, and even the silhouette of her clothing (the whole bare midriff+low rise pants thing was VERY Janet before Britney even debuted). And I don't think ANY popstar EVER has changed the sound of pop music so utterly to the extent that Janet did with New Jack Swing, essentially creating an entire new genre that didn't otherwise exist and seeing it go immensely mainstream for the next five years with just about everyone from up-and-comers, to established peers to legends taking on that sound. Edited January 18 by swissman 12
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