news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[welham]

1 hour ago, Nova_23 said:

I don’t think they realized the backlash they would get cause up until this point even with all casualties and children dying they were given excuses but even western governments are starting to back track and be like uhh but unfortunately it’s too late and those western countries aren’t even fully condemning it just saying it’s wrong to bomb a hospital yet Israel is still acting unhinged. 

Guys and gals and all in-between, you are so so so ******* lucky that you don't speak Hebrew. If you did, and saw the state of mass psychosis and hysteria all over the Israeli social media, your heart would ******* drop. 

 

Some of you might remember me saying how scared I am because absolutely anything can be monitored and I could be arrested for speaking out, but I really can't contain it anymore. People from across the political isle (yes, even some leftists) are calling for BLOOD. It's kind of bizarre how this is not being reported. "Wipe the entire strip, I want another parking lot/pool/amusement park." A popular Israeli Telegram group shared scenes from the bombed hospital and they reacted with laughing emojis among others. The voices of Jewish leftists calling for peace or a scaled-back response are scoffed at, called traitors, or demanded to be thrown in Gaza "with their people." 

 

An employee at the hospital my mom works at publicly posted on her story equating Islam with N*zism. The younger staff wanted to complain but were shut-down by the older staff (all Arabs btw) as to not "ruffle any feathers" and fear of retaliation from the hospital's administration/police. We are reaching a point of no return in Jewish-Arab relations in Israel, even in areas like northern Israel where Arabs are relatively integrated. It. Is. *******. Scary. Trust is being broken beyond repair between friends, people were fired or threatened with being fired, and universities suddenly expel students without any clarifications or chance to explain themselves. Yes, there are always the dumbasses that publicly support Hamas, but I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about people expressing opposition to the war or genocidal rhetoric being spewed all over. 

 

I really tried to scale back and shut the **** up in fear of being monitored, but my blood is boiling right now from what happened to the hospital. I don't give a **** anymore. If humanitarian pleas are a red line for these fuckers, then **** them. The hospital is legit the only thing I can think about right now. ****. Just ****. And now the region will be ******* inflamed. All in the pursuit of revenge. ****. 

Edited October 18, 2023 by welham

[Mean Trees]

1 hour ago, Pop said:

Speaking of being gay, I attended Pride in Tel Aviv and it was beautiful. 🇮🇱🏳️‍🌈

 

Hopefully soon we can have Pride in Gaza when it is liberated from Hamas. 

This is disgusting. Regardless of the opinions of Palestinians. they do not deserve to get genocided to death. This is what is so dangerous about this age and time.

[welham]

1 minute ago, Mean Trees said:

This is disgusting. Regardless of the opinions of Palestinians. they do not deserve to get genocided to death. This is what is so dangerous about this age and time.

It's always bizarre hearing these people's thought process. "You will bombed into oblivion, that should teach you gay rights alright! It totally won't raise contempt and anger at the LGBT community at all!!1!1".

 

Worms. For. Brains.

[vale9001]

21 minutes ago, Kitty Kat said:

Does anyone by any chance have any opinion polls on the Israeli public's opinion on settlements in the West Bank? I have some data, but more is always welcome!

I don't know but i read more than 50% of palestinians until last months were against Hamas, for the peace and didn't want the distruction of Israel. They want them to accept the two- state solution based on 1967 Borders. 

 

According to most analysts Hamas decided to Attack exactly cause their popularity was losing consensus even in the little centres. 

Edited October 17, 2023 by vale9001

[fememeist]

2 hours ago, HEAVYONIT said:

This is why I stay out of these conversations, because my comments get misconstrued. I know what an army and a nation is. Im just going to go delete my comment, but if you’re suggesting only one side is guilty here, you are extremely wrong.

Save the grown up talk for the adults.

Edited October 17, 2023 by fememeist

[Kitty Kat]

Just now, vale9001 said:

I don't know but i read more than 50% of palestinians until last months were against Hamas, for the peace and didn't want the distruction of Israel. They want the to accept the two state solution based on 1967 Borders.

According to most analyst Hamas decided to Attack exactly cause their popularity was losing consensus even in the little centres. 

I appreciate your feedback; I am looking for that specific data point though so if anyone does have any sources on that, I would be very appreciative.

[Nova_23]

12 minutes ago, welham said:

Guys and gals and all in-between, you are so so so ******* lucky that you don't speak Hebrew. If you did, and saw the state of mass psychosis and hysteria all over the Israeli social media, your heart would ******* drop. 

 

Some of you might remember me saying how scared I am because absolutely anything can be monitored and I could be arrested for speaking out, but I really can't contain it anymore. People from across the political isles (yes, even some leftists) are calling for BLOOD. It's kind of bizarre how this is not being reported. "Wipe the entire strip, I want another parking lot/pool/amusement park." A popular Israeli Telegram group shared scenes from the bombed hospital and they reacted with laughing emojis among others. The voices of Jewish leftists calling for peace or a scaled back response are scoffed at, called traitors, or demanded to be thrown in Gaza "with their people." 

 

An employee at the hospital my mom works at publicly posted on her story equating Islam with N*zism. The younger staff wanted to complain but were shut shut-down but the older staff as to not "ruffle any feathers" and fear of retaliation from the hospital administration/police. We are reaching a point of no return in Jewish-Arab relations in Israel, even in areas like northern Israel where Arabs are relatively integrated. It. Is. *******. Scary. Trust is being broken beyond repair between friends, people were fired or threatened with being fired, and universities suddenly expel students without any clarifications or chance to explain themselves. Yes, there are always the dumbasses that publicly supoort Hamas, but I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about people expressing opposition to the war or rhetoric being spewed all over. 

 

I really tried to scale back and shut the **** up in fear of being monitored, but my blood is boiling right now from what happened to the hospital. I don't give a **** anymore. If a humanitarian please is a red line for these fuckers, then **** them. The hospital is legit the only thing I can think about right now. ****. Just ****. And now the region will be ******* inflamed. All in the pursuit of revenge. ****. 

I’m so sorry you’re having to go through this. But I’m also so thankful for you for letting us know what’s going on over there. I will pray for your safety. Please continue to keep us updated so we know you’re safe. 

[SmittenCake]

2 hours ago, Communion said:

I always wondered what could motivate a random white Brazilian twenty-something to spend their time emotionally invested in defending genocide, but then I remember you used to post about how you're not like "other dirty Brazilians in favelas" and that you found slavery era depictions of racism like black Americans being compared to primates and monkeys as "funny" on here and claimed years later it was just you having "edgy internet humor as a teen" and have just accepted you're a white supremacist hiding behind liberal rhetoric to hide biases you probably truly don't believe you have. 

 

I just hope the Palestinian people are able to overcome Zionists who think like you. 

[Redstreak]

Hmmm

[GhostBox]

I was wondering about how much of the US was more pro Israel these days. I’m sure more polls will be released with these questions . 

[vale9001]

16 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

I don't know but i read more than 50% of palestinians until last months were against Hamas, for the peace and didn't want the distruction of Israel. They want them to accept the two- state solution based on 1967 Borders. 

 

According to most analysts Hamas decided to Attack exactly cause their popularity was losing consensus even in the little centres. 

So in a very shocking news most people there from both sides just think this incredible thing: people from different religions and cultures can live in the same area and it's possible to create a future of peace despite evil people in both parts still pushing terrorism and the agenda of destroying the other part.

 

A big percentage than atrl users writing in this thread apparently 

 

Edited October 17, 2023 by vale9001

[Nova_23]

15 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

Hmmm

“explosion” 

 

Can’t even call it what it is. 

[welham]

20 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

Hmmm

 

 

Oh they're absolutely SHITTING themselves. **** both of them.

[Nova_23]

 

[Communion]

4 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

I don't know but i read more than 50% of palestinians until last months were against Hamas, for the peace and didn't want the distruction of Israel. They want them to accept the two- state solution based on 1967 Borders. 

 

According to most analysts Hamas decided to Attack exactly cause their popularity was losing consensus even in the little centres. 

You're actually having it backwards. 

 

Support for Hamas has grown explicitly because non-violent protests in Gaza were met with indiscriminate death.

 

 

Israel got the exact result it wanted by committing itself to the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people:

[Space Cowboy]

1 hour ago, Redstreak said:

Gays stop pretending Tel Aviv is all of Israel challenge, go down the streets of Jerusalem kissing a guy

I don’t wanna be that guy, but that’s maybe because almost 40% of the people in jerusalem are muslims 

[Gaia]

39 minutes ago, GhostBox said:

I was wondering about how much of the US was more pro Israel these days. I’m sure more polls will be released with these questions . 

Well, I said multiple times there is no “turning against Israel” wave in the US. Most do not care about the issue or care more about Israel because the association of HAMAS to ISIS was the most effective thing Israel could have done. Very few Americans will back an Islamic population no matter the circumstances. 
 

No one is going to condone Israel’s brutality, but they aren’t going to support Palestine either. There’s really no way of getting the American public on board. Can just hope the president can prevent it from getting any worse. But I can’t tell if he’s actually going to do anything or not.

Edited October 18, 2023 by Gaia

[Communion]

2 minutes ago, Gaia said:

Well, I said multiple times there is “turning against Israel” wave in the US. Most do not care about the issue or care more about Israel because the association of HAMAS to ISIS was the most effective thing Israel could have done. Very few Americans will back an Islamic population no matter the circumstances. 
 

No one is going to condone Israel’s brutality, but they aren’t going to support Palestine either. There’s really no way of getting the American public on board. Can just hope the president can prevent it from getting any worse. But I can’t tell if he’s actually going to do anything or not.

So maybe what the American public think is or isn't justified resistance is irrelevant.

[RihRihGirrrl]

6 minutes ago, Gaia said:

Well, I said multiple times there is “turning against Israel” wave in the US. Most do not care about the issue or care more about Israel because the association of HAMAS to ISIS was the most effective thing Israel could have done. Very few Americans will back an Islamic population no matter the circumstances. 
 

No one is going to condone Israel’s brutality, but they aren’t going to support Palestine either. There’s really no way of getting the American public on board. Can just hope the president can prevent it from getting any worse. But I can’t tell if he’s actually going to do anything or not.

Not just that but most Americans have been fed the lie that Hamas beheaded Isreali babies

Edited October 18, 2023 by RihRihGirrrl

[Sergi91]

1 hour ago, Shelter said:

 

 

1 hour ago, Shelter said:

 

Omg 

[DAP]

 

[Orsay]

Seeing the response from Iran, the protests breaking out at the Israeli embassy in Amman and at the US embassy in Beirut..  I’m worried for what’s coming in the Middle East. Israel must be stopped by the Western powers before this goes any further

[jakeisphat]

 

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WASHINGTON ― House Republicans are writing a military authorization that would allow President Joe Biden to strike Iran-backed proxy forces throughout the Middle East if the Israel-Hamas war escalates into a broader regional conflict.

 

Foreign Affairs Chairman Mike McCaul, R-Texas, told Defense News on Tuesday he’s drafting the bill in case Lebanon’s Iran-backed militant group Hezbollah steps up its attacks on Israel.

 

The prospect of escalation comes as Israel continues its week-long aerial bombardment of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip following Hamas’ massacre and abduction of Israelis. Hamas continues to launch rockets into Israel as well.

 

“It’s something we have to prepare for if Hezbollah does get involved,” McCaul said. “The administration does not have authorization to hit any Iran proxies. So, whether its Hezbollah, Hamas, these military Shi’a proxies in Iraq — they don’t have authorization under [U.S.] law to attack.”

 

McCaul told CNN on Monday he was drafting an Authorization for the Use of Military Force, or AUMF, saying “I hope I never have to mark this bill up.” He told reporters he prefers an AUMF “with the full backing of the United States Congress” that would target specific Iran-aligned groups without geographical constraints.

 

Rep. Gregory Meeks of New York, the top Democrat on the Foreign Affairs Committee, told Defense News he thinks McCaul’s draft legislation is “premature.”

 

“If there’s a need for an AUMF, the [Biden] administration will bring it forth,” said Meeks. “The administration’s working very hard now to … give stern warnings to Iran and Hezbollah, which is the thing to do to try to deescalate. So, I don’t think we need to escalate it.”

 

Iran has threatened to use its proxies throughout the region to open new fronts in the war if Israel proceeds with its plans for a ground invasion of Gaza, with Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian threatening “preemptive” action as recently as Tuesday. Iran’s threats come as Biden prepares to arrive in Israel on Wednesday.

 

The Biden administration has ordered two aircraft carrier strike groups — the USS Ford and USS Eisenhower — into the eastern Mediterranean in response to the Israel-Hamas war. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin has also ordered roughly 2,000 troops to prepare to deploy to the Middle East in support roles for Israel.

 

Israel and Hezbollah have exchanged fire on the Lebanese border since Hamas’ initial attacks last week, and the U.S. fears a broader escalation.

 

The Biden administration has warned Iran and Hezbollah not to intervene in the war. The White House has also discussed using military force if Hezbollah intervenes, Axios reported Tuesday.

 

The U.S. Constitution and the War Powers Act stipulate that only Congress can authorize the president to use military force in a foreign war, except in cases of self-defense. Previous administrations from both parties have ignored this, with unauthorized strikes in places like Syria and Libya, citing the president’s authorities as Commander in Chief.

 

Congress has sought to reassert its war-making authorities in recent years.

 

The Senate voted 66-30 in March to repeal the 2002 Iraq war AUMF, which former president Donald Trump used as part of the legal justification for his 2021 killing of Iranian Quds Force Commander Gen. Qasem Soleimani in Iraq.

 

McCaul has argued against a straight repeal of the Iraq war AUMF. His committee is enveloping it in a broader effort to repeal and replace the 2001 AUMF Congress passed in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks to target al-Qaida in Afghanistan. Four presidents have since used the 2001 military authorization to justify more than 40 military operations in at least 19 countries across the globe, including Iraq and Syria.

 

The U.S. has about 2,500 troops stationed in Iraq and roughly another 900 in Syria under the 2001 AUMF. Iran-backed militias sporadically attack U.S. troops stationed in both countries. Biden ordered retaliatory strikes against Iran-backed militias in Syria and Iraq in 2021 after they attacked U.S. troops.

 

Previous congressional efforts to repeal and replace the 2001 AUMF have failed over fissures on issues like scope and geographical limitations in a replacement.

 

Additionally, the House still lacks a speaker after the ouster of Rep. Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., from the post brought its business to a halt this month. Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, on Tuesday failed to secure the 217 votes needed for the position.

 

Israel’s ongoing strikes have killed some 2,750 Palestinians so far, including civilians and more than 1,000 children, according to the Gaza Health Ministry. The initial Hamas attacks that sparked the war killed roughly 1,400 Israelis, including civilians and nearly 450 children, according to Israeli authorities.

 

Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant has ordered a “complete siege” of Gaza and a week ago cut off water, food, fuel and electricity to the densely populated strip of roughly 2.1 million people.

 

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2023/10/17/house-drafts-bill-to-strike-iran-proxies-amid-israel-hamas-war/

Edited October 18, 2023 by jakeisphat

[byzantium]

2 minutes ago, jakeisphat said:

 

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2023/10/17/house-drafts-bill-to-strike-iran-proxies-amid-israel-hamas-war/

Wouldn’t they need to elect a speaker first? 

Edited October 18, 2023 by byzantium

[Nova_23]

Israel wants us to believe that Hamas had a bomb that could cause that kind of destruction and decided to drop it on a hospital in Gaza and not on some city in Israel. Got it.