base talk Madonna, Celine, Taylor - only female artists to move 200m+ album units?

[Punky Rooster]

10 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

How is her biggest selling album at 10 million when she has 2 albums with at least 10 million in the US alone? 

What album has sold 10 million in the US alone? Not including individual track streams or sales with the album numbers, like is what album sales are for all the others in the top 5.

[Lemon]

2 minutes ago, Punky Rooster said:

What album has sold 10 million in the US alone? Not including individual track streams or sales with the album numbers, like is what album sales are for all the others in the top 5.

Are you dumb or you are playing dumb for the sake of taking dig at Taylor?  
We all know the rest of top 5 are from physcial era, which is when they were the most popular, which is again a climate that was much easier for everyone to rack up albums sales. 
 

Let’s show your lack of logic though in more direct manner ——> why does the rest of top 5 lack Taylor’s streaming figures? 

[byzantium]

Madonna only has 40 million listeners on Spotify.  Taylor had over 100 million.  They are clearly not in the same league. 

[Lemon]

11 minutes ago, byzantium said:

Madonna only has 40 million listeners on Spotify.  Taylor had over 100 million.  They are clearly not in the same league. 

The worst thing is that certain people won’t catch your drift on this one since lack of comprehension and critical/analytical thinking is low when it comes to things they dislike. 

Edited December 17, 2023 by Lemon

[Punky Rooster]

4 hours ago, Lemon said:

Are you dumb or you are playing dumb for the sake of taking dig at Taylor?  
We all know the rest of top 5 are from physcial era, which is when they were the most popular, which is again a climate that was much easier for everyone to rack up albums sales. 
 

Let’s show your lack of logic though in more direct manner ——> why does the rest of top 5 lack Taylor’s streaming figures? 

So using that logic, Madonna’s Hard Candy is a 5x Platinum sold album because 4 Minutes is a 4 x Platinum streamed single? There is no logic to any of this apart from Taylor hasn’t sold 180 million albums.

[WildHeart]

15 hours ago, Alexz said:

that makes the biggest streaming acts like Taylor look bigger or equal to the pioneers of 30 years ago. It's very simple actually.

That's not true and quick look at the all time list tells you that. 

 

#16 Taylor Swift 

#35 Drake 

#42 BTS*

#46 Rihanna

#51 Adele 

#53 Justin Bieber 

#56 Ed Sheeran 

#77 The Weeknd

#78 Bruno Mars 

#80 Lady Gaga

#81 P!nk

#85 Bad Bunny*

 

*artists who debuted in the streaming era 

 

Artists from the 21st century

Top 20 - 1/20 (5%)

Top 50 - 4/50 (8%)

Top 100 - 12/100 (12%)

 

Taylor is the only artist in the top 30 from this century. Only 2 streaming era artist in the top 100.

 

So how does streaming advantage artists? If anything, it makes it harder for new artists to compete with artists from past generations. 

 

12 hours ago, Punky Rooster said:

Where are these 180 million albums Taylor has sold? Considering her biggest selling album is at 10 million, and that includes streaming figures… 

Did it sell negative 2M internationally? 

 

3 hours ago, Punky Rooster said:

So using that logic, Madonna’s Hard Candy is a 5x Platinum sold album because 4 Minutes is a 4 x Platinum streamed single?

No, 4x Platinum of 4 Minutes is equal to 400k album units. 

 

1 album = 10 songs = 1500 streams 

 

You are talking about record sales (album units + single units). If anything, streaming era made it irrelevant. 

Edited December 17, 2023 by WildHeart

[Punky Rooster]

15 minutes ago, WildHeart said:

That's not true and quick look at all time list tell you that. 

 

#16 Taylor Swift 

#35 Drake 

#42 BTS*

#46 Rihanna

#51 Adele 

#53 Justin Bieber 

#56 Ed Sheeran 

#77 The Weeknd

#78 Bruno Mars 

#80 Lady Gaga

#81 P!nk

#85 Bad Bunny*

 

*artists who debuted in the streaming era 

 

Artists from the 21st century

Top 20 - 1/20 (5%)

Top 50 - 4/50 (8%)

Top 100 - 12/100 (12%)

 

Taylor is only artist in the top 30 from this century. Only 2 streaming era artist in the top 100.

 

So can you tell us how streaming advantages artists? If anything, it makes it harder for new artists to compete with past generation artists. 

 

Did it sell negative 2M internationally? 

 

No, that’s “units”, which includes streams, it’s not hard to understand  She hasn’t shifted 12.3 million copies of the album, people have listened to it 12.3 million times in an equivalent way or whatever billboard try and push to stay relevant these days.

[WildHeart]

3 minutes ago, Punky Rooster said:

No, that’s “units”, which includes streams, it’s not hard to understand  She hasn’t shifted 12.3 million copies of the album, people have listened to it 12.3 million times in an equivalent way or whatever billboard try and push to stay relevant these days.

You said 1989 sold 10M units globally, including streaming. 

 

11 hours ago, Punky Rooster said:

Where are these 180 million albums Taylor has sold? Considering her biggest selling album is at 10 million, and that includes streaming figures… and according to wiki: in terms of pure sales, tallied 37.3 million in the United States and 3.34 million in the United Kingdom. 

 

[Lemon]

3 hours ago, Punky Rooster said:

So using that logic, Madonna’s Hard Candy is a 5x Platinum sold album because 4 Minutes is a 4 x Platinum streamed single? There is no logic to any of this apart from Taylor hasn’t sold 180 million albums.

You don’t get it or you don’t want to get it seen by the response to the poster who explained everything to you in detail. 

[spree]

6 hours ago, Punky Rooster said:

No, that’s “units”, which includes streams, it’s not hard to understand  She hasn’t shifted 12.3 million copies of the album, people have listened to it 12.3 million times in an equivalent way or whatever billboard try and push to stay relevant these days.

Exactly. The words “sold” and “buy” and “sales” need to be completely removed from the conversation in regards to streaming and especially free streams. You aren’t buying or selling anything. I don’t care what Billboard wants to arbitrarily come up with. It literally makes no sense. 
 

“Consumption units” fine, but “sales” absolutely no.  There is no sale. 

[Eternium]

17 hours ago, KOMH said:

I wonder what that makes the girl who doesn't have one album to spend more weeks on the BB200 than Reputation

 

 

OT: Love how all women on this list are multi-Grammy winners

The inspiration behind Taylor’s most successful eras. Congrats on stanning my fellow Army member  

16 hours ago, Alexz said:

She only sold 3 million in the UK? She had a big career before streaming this number is low.

Taylor’s sales outside of the U.S.: 17,078,500 (10 studio albums, 4 re-records, 5 EPs, 1 boxset, 4 live albums, 8  re-releases)

 

Mariah’s sales in just Japan: 17,915,000+

16 hours ago, Alexz said:

Even worse these people buy an album and then they play it 1500 times on Spotify and that counts as a sale. Nobody knows hoy many times I played Baby One More Time and it is not credited with 50 million.

The thing is Spotify doesn’t weed out fraudulent streams so you can just leave a playlist running all day and they all show up on the totals. You can play each individual track up to 20 times daily for it to count as a filtered stream. That’s why artists like Taylor Swift, Katy Perry and BTS release so many remixes and EPs - each new version allows every single fan to stream up to 20 more times a day per song.

 

Taylor Swift has released 27 streaming EPs.

16 hours ago, Alexz said:

201 days playing Taylor

ChartMasters counts every one of those fake streams as if they’re real and then they use them to extrapolate global streaming numbers.

15 hours ago, The Music Industry said:

Both of these albums you just called bombs moved more units than any album released by your fave after the Bill Clinton administration

Britney - 10,240,000

 

Reputation - 3,650,000

Lover - 2,460,000

 

We need a few more re-releases ASAP.

 

14 hours ago, Lemon said:

Bombed with reputation and, especially, Lover? 
I hope your favorite artists get bombs like those two. 

 

Anyway, people who whine and cry about physical sales and streaming, hopefully do realize today’s artists don’t have advantage of massive pure sales, but that’s why we have relative measurments. However, Taylor is doing great on both fronts, which is even more impressive since the adjustment to all formats is fantastic. 

Did you not follow the conversation? The Swiftie was trying to drag Blackout and Circus so I dragged him back with two eras that set records for drops (either in units from the previous era or spins on radio). 

[Lemon]

1 hour ago, Eternium said:

The inspiration behind Taylor’s most successful eras. Congrats on stanning my fellow Army member  

Taylor’s sales outside of the U.S.: 17,078,500 (10 studio albums, 4 re-records, 5 EPs, 1 boxset, 4 live albums, 8  re-releases)

 

Mariah’s sales in just Japan: 17,915,000+

The thing is Spotify doesn’t weed out fraudulent streams so you can just leave a playlist running all day and they all show up on the totals. You can play each individual track up to 20 times daily for it to count as a filtered stream. That’s why artists like Taylor Swift, Katy Perry and BTS release so many remixes and EPs - each new version allows every single fan to stream up to 20 more times a day per song.

 

Taylor Swift has released 27 streaming EPs.

ChartMasters counts every one of those fake streams as if they’re real and then they use them to extrapolate global streaming numbers.

Britney - 10,240,000

 

Reputation - 3,650,000

Lover - 2,460,000

 

We need a few more re-releases ASAP.

 

Did you not follow the conversation? The Swiftie was trying to drag Blackout and Circus so I dragged him back with two eras that set records for drops (either in units from the previous era or spins on radio). 

Why are you lisitng only pure album sales, honey pie? 
Are albums consumed only through hard copies? 

[Lemon]

2 hours ago, spree said:

Exactly. The words “sold” and “buy” and “sales” need to be completely removed from the conversation in regards to streaming and especially free streams. You aren’t buying or selling anything. I don’t care what Billboard wants to arbitrarily come up with. It literally makes no sense. 
 

“Consumption units” fine, but “sales” absolutely no.  There is no sale. 

Well, Taylor is racking up consumption units massively since she is in fact consumed a plenty, so yeah.  

[Goaty]

I understand viewing total album units moved during the streaming era with a degree skepticism, but I think some of yall are throwing the baby out with the bathwater. 

[The Music Industry]

57 minutes ago, Eternium said:

Britney - 10,240,000

 

Reputation - 3,650,000

Lover - 2,460,000

 

We need a few more re-releases ASAP.

Please stop embarrassing yourself, I beg you  

 

Like do you seriously think you did something by comparing the pure sales of a 2001 album vs 2017/2019 albums?  A 2001 predictably moving more pure sales does not change the fact that the album moved less overall units than both reputation and Lover, and that the gap will only continue to grow seeing as both of those albums are still comfortably charting in the top 30 of the Billboard 200 years after their release. 

 

You seriously need to wake up and realize that while you might still be stuck living in the past in a time where smartphones were not even properly created yet, the rest of us have moved on. Perhaps it's time for you to consider doing so! 

[KOMH]

3 hours ago, The Music Industry said:

Please stop embarrassing yourself, I beg you  

 

Like do you seriously think you did something by comparing the pure sales of a 2001 album vs 2017/2019 albums?  A 2001 predictably moving more pure sales does not change the fact that the album moved less overall units than both reputation and Lover, and that the gap will only continue to grow seeing as both of those albums are still comfortably charting in the top 30 of the Billboard 200 years after their release. 

 

You seriously need to wake up and realize that while you might still be stuck living in the past in a time where smartphones were not even properly created yet, the rest of us have moved on. Perhaps it's time for you to consider doing so! 

Figures they'd have to cling to her last album that charted for a year on the Billboard 200

[FightDragonsWithMe]

4 hours ago, Eternium said:

The inspiration behind Taylor’s most successful eras. Congrats on stanning my fellow Army member  

Taylor’s sales outside of the U.S.: 17,078,500 (10 studio albums, 4 re-records, 5 EPs, 1 boxset, 4 live albums, 8  re-releases)

 

Mariah’s sales in just Japan: 17,915,000+

The thing is Spotify doesn’t weed out fraudulent streams so you can just leave a playlist running all day and they all show up on the totals. You can play each individual track up to 20 times daily for it to count as a filtered stream. That’s why artists like Taylor Swift, Katy Perry and BTS release so many remixes and EPs - each new version allows every single fan to stream up to 20 more times a day per song.

 

Taylor Swift has released 27 streaming EPs.

ChartMasters counts every one of those fake streams as if they’re real and then they use them to extrapolate global streaming numbers.

Britney - 10,240,000

 

Reputation - 3,650,000

Lover - 2,460,000

 

We need a few more re-releases ASAP.

 

Did you not follow the conversation? The Swiftie was trying to drag Blackout and Circus so I dragged him back with two eras that set records for drops (either in units from the previous era or spins on radio). 

Reputation and Lover outsold Britney by pushing more units, you can stay in 2001 where all you Britney Stans belong tho tbh. 

[suburbannature]

Y'all arguing this hard over a fan site's made up numbers (by their own admission).

[By the Water]

The geriatric fumes in here 

[Lemon]

28 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

Y'all arguing this hard over a fan site's made up numbers (by their own admission).

I mean, you are kind of right, we don’t need this to know where Taylor stands. 

[Mystic Boy]

5 hours ago, Eternium said:

The inspiration behind Taylor’s most successful eras. Congrats on stanning my fellow Army member  

Taylor’s sales outside of the U.S.: 17,078,500 (10 studio albums, 4 re-records, 5 EPs, 1 boxset, 4 live albums, 8  re-releases)

 

Mariah’s sales in just Japan: 17,915,000+

The thing is Spotify doesn’t weed out fraudulent streams so you can just leave a playlist running all day and they all show up on the totals. You can play each individual track up to 20 times daily for it to count as a filtered stream. That’s why artists like Taylor Swift, Katy Perry and BTS release so many remixes and EPs - each new version allows every single fan to stream up to 20 more times a day per song.

 

Taylor Swift has released 27 streaming EPs.

ChartMasters counts every one of those fake streams as if they’re real and then they use them to extrapolate global streaming numbers.

Britney - 10,240,000

 

Reputation - 3,650,000

Lover - 2,460,000

 

We need a few more re-releases ASAP.

 

Did you not follow the conversation? The Swiftie was trying to drag Blackout and Circus so I dragged him back with two eras that set records for drops (either in units from the previous era or spins on radio). 

Oh Eternium

[Smilers]

The geriatrics in here trying to discount streaming entirely when that’s how 99% of people consime music right now 

 

Removing streaming would make the the likes of SZA, Bad Bunny, Morgan, and Drake look totally irrelevant when in fact they are the most popular artists currently.

[LOTF]

20 hours ago, byzantium said:

Madonna only has 40 million listeners on Spotify.  Taylor had over 100 million.  They are clearly not in the same league. 

Madonna was already a legend by the time Taylor was eating **** from her diapers so obviously the younger one is gonna have an advantage in streaming.

By the way, as per Pollstar and TIME and Billboard, Madonna and Taylor ARE in the same league 💋

[Jay07]

Imagine pretending free streams and fraudulent tactics actually count the same as actual sold albums because some made up site says so and you're too desperate for validation for your vanilla fave.

[Lemon]

21 minutes ago, LOTF said:

Madonna was already a legend by the time Taylor was eating **** from her diapers so obviously the younger one is gonna have an advantage in streaming.

By the way, as per Pollstar and TIME and Billboard, Madonna and Taylor ARE in the same league 💋

The user you have quoted wanted to demonstrate how Madonna’s and Taylor’s era have different advantages and disadvantages. 
Madonna has upper hand physical albums wise, but Taylor is up there streaming wise. Both don’t lack in other area though, especially Taylor with pure sales, but I guess you at least interpreted TIME’s and Pollstar’s reports correctly and that’s the OP’s consensus as well.