base talk Smallest MPG peaks?

[Klein]

Just now, lonnie said:

And I don't expect anything else despite all stats showing I'm right lol. Rih probably sold upwards of 70M (probably closer to 100M with the features) singles and around 10M albums combining sales from Rated R, Loud and Talk That Talk together in the period of 2010-2011 (which is very huge) but all comparisons here were made on individual eras e.g. The Midnights era or The Loud era meaning focus was on the one album released in that period. And with that in mind Loud is bigger than Midnights in every way minus streams and the tour. You can disagree but you and I both know that the stats favour me so I'll leave it at that

 

Except Midnights has already done ~75% of Loud's total units in ~8% as much time, while still being in the top 10 and one of the most streamed album WW (male and female included). I didn't think I should have to explain the importance of longevity to a Navy, but maybe I should? 

 

But if you want to argue that Loud is bigger than Midnights because it moved more units in 13 years compared to Midnights' 13 months go ahead. We can wait for Midnights to be 2 years old vs Loud's 14 years to say Midnights is bigger if it makes you feel better.

 

 

 

[Big Bad Wolf]

9 hours ago, byzantium said:

This is an interesting question.  Maybe Selena, Demi, or Lana. 

Lana? You call her debut album charting for like 9 consecutive years a small peak? Check your head.

 

OT: Demi, Selena, Camila, Olivia!

[lonnie]

17 minutes ago, Klein said:

Except Midnights has already done ~75% of Loud's total units in ~8% as much time, while still being in the top 10 and one of the most streamed album WW (male and female included). I didn't think I should have to explain the importance of longevity to a Navy, but maybe I should? 

 

But if you want to argue that Loud is bigger than Midnights because it moved more units in 13 years compared to Midnights' 13 months go ahead. We can wait for Midnights to be 2 years old vs Loud's 14 years to say Midnights is bigger if it makes you feel better.

 

 

 

Does any of this change that Loud is bigger than Midnights as I said? Past the acting like albums sell consistently the same amount over the years (13 yrs vs 13 months argument), past the comparisons to other artists and whatnot? What I say remains, no? If in fact Midnights does sell 4M+ units over the next year and outsells Loud per chartsmasters then congrats to Taylor and that's another conversation altogether. But as per now, Midnights hasn't sold more than Loud and I am indeed correct to say that Loud is the bigger era of the two. And that's fine, I truly don't understand why you're hang up on this 

 

Edited November 16, 2023 by lonnie

[Keeandga]

1 hour ago, Klein said:

Except Midnights has already done ~75% of Loud's total units in ~8% as much time, while still being in the top 10 and one of the most streamed album WW (male and female included). I didn't think I should have to explain the importance of longevity to a Navy, but maybe I should? 

 

But if you want to argue that Loud is bigger than Midnights because it moved more units in 13 years compared to Midnights' 13 months go ahead. We can wait for Midnights to be 2 years old vs Loud's 14 years to say Midnights is bigger if it makes you feel better.

 

 

 

Let’s be real, streaming helped do that though. Albums released before the streaming era took off aren’t going to have the same advantage, just like albums released now aren’t going to match the pure sales of albums from 1998 for example. 

[Klein]

1 minute ago, Keeandga said:

Let’s be real, streaming helped do that though. Albums released before the streaming era took off aren’t going to have the same advantage, just like albums released now aren’t going to match the pure sales of albums from 1998 for example. 

Which is why albums reaching diamond status are so much more frequent in the streaming era than in the pure sales era, right? 

[Credit]

the peaks that lacked billboard hot 100 #1 singles

 

[lonnie]

8 minutes ago, Klein said:

Which is why albums reaching diamond status are so much more frequent in the streaming era than in the pure sales era, right? 

I think you're purposely missing the point. Streaming as a form of consumption means that consumers have the music readily available at whatever time and can continuously consume it while that was never the case before. Midnights, of course, is a huge era. But claiming that LOUD did its sales in 13 years when we know for a fact that over 90% of its sales were accumulated by 2011 is ridiculous lol. It's easier to accumulate "units" in the boom of the streaming period because a person could stream a song countless of times and it would count to its overall units, as compared to someone buying an album or a single once pre-streaming. That's why albums from the pre-streaming era mostly got their units from the first 2-3 years of release. Basically you're claiming all the advantages of the pre-streaming era sales to prove your point while not acknowledging the ways streaming helps, especially for a person with a big fanbase like Taylor.

[Klein]

2 minutes ago, lonnie said:

I think you're purposely missing the point. Streaming as a form of consumption means that consumers have the music readily available at whatever time and can continuously consume it while that was never the case before. Midnights, of course, is a huge era. But claiming that LOUD did its sales in 13 years when we know for a fact that over 90% of its sales were accumulated by 2011 is ridiculous lol. It's easier to accumulate "units" in the boom of the streaming period because a person could stream a song countless of times and it would count to its overall units, as compared to someone buying an album or a single once pre-streaming. That's why albums from the pre-streaming era mostly got their units from the first 2-3 years of release. Basically you're claiming all the advantages of the pre-streaming era sales to prove your point while not acknowledging the ways streaming helps, especially for a person with a big fanbase like Taylor.

The point is that the streaming era does not allow to reach the same kind of heights as the pure sales era, so while it might be an advantage for longevity, it's not an advantage for total units. Only 3 albums released during the streaming era (1989, 25 and Divide) are among the 100 biggest albums of all time and they're not even in the top 50. They were also release at the very beginning of the streaming era, when pure sales were still very much relevant. 

 

So in fact no, the streaming era doesn't allow to accumulate a big number of units as fast as the pure sales era. It helps with longevity though, but that's it.

 

At similar levels of success, you would get a lot more units in the first year in the pure sales era compared to the streaming era.

[holyground13]

11 hours ago, lillavend3r said:

Girl bye the Rude Boy-Loud era was her peak she was everywhere

 

11 hours ago, brenda-walsh said:

i always hate when people say Rihanna never had a huge peak as if she wasn't stomping on everyone hits wise from 2007-2013. and people are still streaming those songs 

Maybe I shouldn't have replied to this specific thread because I don't think that her peak was small. Just if you compare it to the peak of other artists of similar stature like Gaga, Britney and Madonna she never had one period that was a clear peak amongst the rest of her career. She's been pretty consistent which I'm sure only benefitted her. You could say Rude Boy / Loud was her peak and yeah she pretty much was everywhere back then, but Good Girl Gone Bad, Talk That Talk, Unapologetic and Anti are close to being on the same level in my opinion. 

[By the Water]

What did I walk into? 
 

Loud being bigger than Midnights 

[Feanor]

Doja Cat probably.

 

EDIT: Or rather Selena Gomez / Demi Lovato if we also consider them MPGs.

 

Edited November 16, 2023 by Feanor

[Just a Gay on ATRL]

Selena's commercial peak was Revival but for some other girls that era's success would've been considered mid at best. No iconic MVs, performances, or singles either.  I don't think any stood the test of time. TBH I think she benefitted in Fall 2015 from most of the other girls being on break at the time besides Adele who is not in her same lane musically at all, lol.

 

Demi's commercial peak was TMYLM but didn't really feel like a moment.

 

[Outlaws]

My poor fave Loreen. Bless her.

Not that she tried hard to be a MPG, though. But yeah, bless her heart.

[corotinho]

From the real MPG, it's probably Selena.

 

Demi Lovato, Camila Cabello, Meghan Trainor... are not MPG

[WildHeart]

5 hours ago, lonnie said:

It's only that @Artistofthedecadeand the other swifties got mad about the comparison and went on and on

I was just trying to answer your question about why ATRL would consider Midnights that huge peak but not Loud but looks like being nice and helpful doesn't get awarded nowadays 

Edited November 16, 2023 by Artistofthedecade

[corotinho]

48 minutes ago, Jaded. said:

Selena's commercial peak was Revival but for some other girls that era's success would've been considered mid at best. No iconic MVs, performances, or singles either.  I don't think any stood the test of time. TBH I think she benefitted in Fall 2015 from most of the other girls being on break at the time besides Adele who is not in her same lane musically at all, lol.

 

Demi's commercial peak was TMYLM but didn't really feel like a moment.

 

Selena's commercial peak was actually her droplets era. 2016~2018 she scored like 4 WW smash hits (WDTA, IAM, Wolves and Taki Taki) and a ww big hit (BTY). She even scored the #1 spot on Spotify monthly listeners surpassing even DRAKE. This is actually a big peak but nothing close to Taylor's, Rihanna's, Katy's, Gaga's... so the answer for the thread is still Selena. 

[John Slayne]

P!nk

[HappierJealousy]

5 hours ago, lonnie said:

Does any of this change that Loud is bigger than Midnights as I said? Past the acting like albums sell consistently the same amount over the years (13 yrs vs 13 months argument), past the comparisons to other artists and whatnot? What I say remains, no? If in fact Midnights does sell 4M+ units over the next year and outsells Loud per chartsmasters then congrats to Taylor and that's another conversation altogether. But as per now, Midnights hasn't sold more than Loud and I am indeed correct to say that Loud is the bigger era of the two. And that's fine, I truly don't understand why you're hang up on this 

 

IFPI 2010: Loud #7

IFPI 2022: Midnights #2

 

and one of the most important reason that people consider Midnights era is a “huge peak” is the huge success of Eras tour, which js predicted to gross 1.5B. Fearless, Red and lover are all arguably bigger than Midnights. Loud ‘a 17M album units in 2010 with a 90 million box office tour is very successful but nothing “huge”

[burninredhot]

It's Rihanna and its not even supposed to be a bad thing. There was never a period where she was bigger than all her peers but had a good string of hits

[Scars]

Selena and Demi have never made it to the top 10 of Billboard's yearly Top Artists, even the likes of Camila Cabello were able to do so.

[byzantium]

6 hours ago, Big Bad Wolf said:

Lana? You call her debut album charting for like 9 consecutive years a small peak? Check your head.

 

OT: Demi, Selena, Camila, Olivia!

Yes.  Go back an read the OP before insulting someone’s intelligence.  Massive longevity has nothing to do with the size of an artist’s peak.  
 

And Olivia? She was undeniably massive in 2021 beyond what most artists ever experience.  You clearly are missing the point of this thread. 

[Blackout2006]

15 hours ago, XtiRih said:

Xtina outsold Brittany (Stripped outsold ITZ

Wow so Xtina's best-selling album only outsold Britney's fourth highest-selling album (screaming at you bragging about that ), which has not been updated in sales over the years?  Britney, the legend that you are

Edited November 16, 2023 by Blackout2006

[Blackout2006]

10 hours ago, lonnie said:

Wait I just realized you used a metric that combines Taylor's pure sales, streams, songs sales etc to Rih's pure album sales only. Never change swifties

 

Now hold up

 

 

[lonnie]

2 hours ago, Artistofthedecade said:

I was just trying to answer your question about why ATRL would consider Midnights that huge peak but not Loud but looks like being nice and helpful doesn't get awarded nowadays 

And the only conclusion that was reached was that this site is delusional

 

 

2 hours ago, HappierJealousy said:

IFPI 2010: Loud #7

IFPI 2022: Midnights #2

Teenage Dream (which the swifties agree to be "huge", and it is, is #11 on the same 2010 IFPI list, does that mean it isn't huge?

2 hours ago, HappierJealousy said:

Loud ‘a 17M album units in 2010 with a 90 million box office tour is very successful but nothing “huge”

Except it is lol? There are plenty of huge eras with tours that grossed less than 100M, just as there are smaller eras with bigger tours.

 

[Big Bad Wolf]

40 minutes ago, byzantium said:

Yes.  Go back an read the OP before insulting someone’s intelligence.  Massive longevity has nothing to do with the size of an artist’s peak.  
 

And Olivia? She was undeniably massive in 2021 beyond what most artists ever experience.  You clearly are missing the point of this thread. 

Born To Die was not small. In fact it’s a lot bigger than Guts. Try again Byzantine.