base talk Smallest MPG peaks?

[lonnie]

16 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

Are you saying that 3x Platinum (3M) US sales or 7x Platinum (2.1M) UK sales of Loud don't include digital sales or streams? 

Then why didn't you post RIAA and BPI certifications for Taylor too? As you use Rih's

 

 

17 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

The certifications you posted adds up to 6.95M units. This is basically what math tells us. I just combined the certifications you posted. 

And what do the same certs I posted add up for Taylor?  You don't need to be in STEM (good for you!) to understand that using one form of measurement for one and another for another isn't really logical

 

 

[Klein]

6 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Then why didn't you post RIAA and BPI certifications for Taylor too? As you use Rih's

 

 

And what do the same certs I posted add up for Taylor?  You don't need to be in STEM (good for you!) to understand that using one form of measurement for one and another for another isn't really logical

 

 

I think the whole point is to show you that non-automatic certifications is bullsh*t.

 

In the US only, Midnights should be 6X platinum which that alone is on par with LOUD's total certs WW. 

 

I don't even get the point of arguing over certifications when they are telling the full story for exactly no one. 

Edited November 16, 2023 by Klein

[VioletsandRoses]

1 hour ago, Tropez said:

I feel like 2001-2002 was definitely her moment. Britney was slowing down and transitioning to adulthood. Xtina was just about to release Stripped. The veteran pop girls like Mariah, Madonna, Janet and Whitney had hits but were clearly slowing down. Only Avril was the big new name. 

Yea and Britney/Xtina stans will believe she had a non existent peak lol. Especially when Missundazstood outsold both stripped and debut both stateside and globally. That was the same year both girls started tumbling while she was smashing until 2017 with BT.

[Saint James]

definitely Demi if she’s included

 

Selena too, considering her actual peak was the droplets era

[lonnie]

4 minutes ago, Klein said:

I think the whole point is to show you that non-automatic certifications is bullsh*t.

 

In the US only, Midnights should be 6X platinum which that alone is on par with LOUD's total certs WW. 

 

I don't even get the point of arguing over certifications when they are telling the full story for exactly no one. 

Well however you spin it, certifications, sales, worldwide hits, overall records, combined units, Loud sold more than Midnights worldwide. Is that any clearer?

 

[Klein]

2 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Well however you spin it, certifications, sales, worldwide hits, overall records, combined units, Loud sold more than Midnights worldwide. Is that any clearer?

 

I have no problem accepting that, as of now, LOUD moved more total units WW in 13 years compared to Midnights 13 months. Just like I have no problem accepting that this is changing in a mere year. 

 

[lonnie]

Just now, Klein said:

I have no problem accepting that, as of now, LOUD moved more total units WW in 13 years compared to Midnights 13 months. Just like I have no problem accepting that this is changing in a mere year. 

 

So, my point stands? If in the year 2023 (not 2024) Midnights is considered a huge peak then it makes no sense to claim that Loud (which is the bigger era in 2023) is a small peak? 

 

[VioletsandRoses]

5 minutes ago, lonnie said:

So, my point stands? If in the year 2023 (not 2024) Midnights is considered a huge peak then it makes no sense to claim that Loud (which is the bigger era in 2023) is a small peak? 

 

Well it’s a bit unfair to compare streaming album certs to digital album certs. In the UK and Australia for example, most smash albums only reach 1-2x platinum sometimes 3. While albums were easily reaching platinum and smashes 7-10x platinum in the digital era.Even albums that people don’t consider huge like Adele’s 19 and Sam’s In the lonely hour are 8-9x platinum in the UK. At the same it’s easier for singles to reach platinum/multi-platinum in the streaming era vs. digital era. 

[Klein]

Just now, lonnie said:

So, my point stands? If in the year 2023 (not 2024) Midnights is considered a huge peak then it makes no sense to claim that Loud (which is the bigger era in 2023) is a small peak? 

 

If you want to discard the fact that Midnights is only one piece of the puzzle explaining Taylor's peak in 2023 (and excluding Speak Now TV, 1989 TV, The Eras Tour, Lover's resurgence, all her albums charting like crazy throughout the year, the concert movie, her media coverage, etc.), then yes. 

 

 

But even without taking that into account, LOUD is not a small peak. It's the 5th biggest album of 2010, that's big. Just not in any way comparable to Taylor's that's it. 

 

[lonnie]

1 minute ago, VioletsandRoses said:

Well it’s a bit unfair to compare streaming album certs to digital album certs. In the UK and Australia for example, most smash albums only reach 1-2x platinum sometimes 3. While albums were easily reaching platinum and smashes 7-10x platinum in the digital era.Even albums that people don’t consider huge like Adele’s 19 and Sam’s In the lonely hour are 8-9x platinum in the UK. At the same it’s easier for singles to reach platinum/multi-platinum in the streaming era vs. digital era. 

Just in the same way streaming numbers help garnering more consumption? In the same way Anti in the metrics used in this thread is supposedly bigger than LOUD thanks to its streaming numbers. My whole argument is that claiming that LOUD was small (it wasn't) is dumb while giving comparison to an era that's considered huge like Midnights (which it is). And those Adele and Sam albums were huge in the U.K. I don't see how that changes what I said. In areas with huge populations where streaming numbers are huge like America, album certifications for albums favour artists with big streaming numbers. 

 

6 minutes ago, Klein said:

If you want to discard the fact that Midnights is only one piece of the puzzle explaining Taylor's peak in 2023 (and excluding Speak Now TV, 1989 TV, The Eras Tour, Lover's resurgence, all her albums charting like crazy throughout the year, the concert movie, her media coverage, etc.), then yes. 

Well of course I'm going to compare Loud to one album as opposed to four? Does Midnights need all those TVs and specials to be considered huge?

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Klein said:

But even without taking that into account, LOUD is not a small peak. It's the 5th biggest album of 2010, that's big. Just not in any way comparable to Taylor's that's it. 

It's also true that there was way more competition in 2010/2011 than there is in 2023. The fifth biggest album of 2010 with just a few months worth of promo before moving on to the next era is huge which was my point. Not sure why y'all got so mad about the comparison. Loud sold more, had bigger singles (OG, S&M, WMN were bigger than AH, Karma & Lavender Haze) and Midnights had the bigger tour (as I've stated all this before). What's the big issue there?

 

[Lana Banana]

7 hours ago, Cheeky said:

Demi isn't a MPG and never has been. 

 

Selena is a decent answer here. She was popular at her peak but nowhere near the level as others. 

What is this oxymoron?

[Klein]

2 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Well of course I'm going to compare Loud to one album as opposed to four? Does Midnights need all those TVs and specials to be considered huge?

 

Then we don't have the same definition of a peak then. Because when I'm talking about peak, I'm talking about the highest moment in an artist's career, overall. Otherwise why even talk about 2023 when Midnights was released in 2022? 

 

If we are talking about singular era then nobody would consider Midnights to be Taylor's peak, that would be 1989. And well, this comparison is not nice to anyone not named Adele.

 

Just like for 2010 Rihanna, I also consider Rihanna's catalogue, LTWYL, the Last Girl On Earth tour, etc. And I'd also actually argue that 2011 was her peak, not 2010 (with TTT, the catalogue sales, LOUD Tour, all the featurings, etc.)

 

[Lana Banana]

Welp at this thread  If ATRLers fail at math in school, certainly must mean they did something here with their formulas and calculations. Can any of you tell me how much is 2+2x2? Asking for a friend.

[makeme]

Rihanna’s peaks was huge what are you guys talking about. She also released albums back to back she sold so such 2010-2013

 

Demi, Selena or even Ariana would be better answers than Rihanna 

[Cain]

Whether you take 2007/2008 or 2010/2011 as Rih’s peak they were huge years for her

[byzantium]

11 minutes ago, Lana Banana said:

Welp at this thread  If ATRLers fail at math in school, certainly must mean they did something here with their formulas and calculations. Can any of you tell me how much is 2+2x2? Asking for a friend.

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[lonnie]

27 minutes ago, Klein said:

Then we don't have the same definition of a peak then. Because when I'm talking about peak, I'm talking about the highest moment in an artist's career, overall. Otherwise why even talk about 2023 when Midnights was released in 2022? 

 

If we are talking about singular era then nobody would consider Midnights to be Taylor's peak, that would be 1989. And well, this comparison is not nice to anyone not named Adele.

 

Just like for 2010 Rihanna, I also consider Rihanna's catalogue, LTWYL, the Last Girl On Earth tour, etc. And I'd also actually argue that 2011 was her peak, not 2010 (with TTT, the catalogue sales, LOUD Tour, all the featurings, etc.)

 

It's clearly assumed (all throughout this thread) that people have been using individual eras lol. It's individual eras being compared up and down this thread

 

Whatever the case might be I'm right on both accounts as relates to Rih having a huge peak and Loud being bigger than Midnights and you seem to agree with me too so I don't get this back and forth 

 

Edited November 16, 2023 by lonnie

[Lana Banana]

25 minutes ago, lonnie said:

It's clearly assumed (all throughout this thread) that people have been combining individual eras lol. It's individual eras being compared up and down this thread

edit: nvm

Edited November 16, 2023 by Lana Banana

[lonnie]

6 minutes ago, Lana Banana said:

So when we talk about peak Britney, we talk about 1998-2016?  Pls murder me, u guys really need to get out more.

Where did you get any of this from what I said. Especially when I've been considering just one era for Rih in a one-two year period

[Alexz]

11 minutes ago, Lana Banana said:

So when we talk about peak Britney, we talk about 1998-2016?  Pls murder me, u guys really need to get out more.

Britney as an overall concept is the peak of pop music though.

[Lana Banana]

13 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Where did you get any of this from what I said. Especially when I've been considering just one era for Rih in a one-two year period

My bad, I completely misread your reply, sorry

[Delirious]

Zara Larsson maybe

[Klein]

46 minutes ago, lonnie said:

It's clearly assumed (all throughout this thread) that people have been using individual eras lol. It's individual eras being compared up and down this thread

Then I don't even know why Midnights or Loud are in the conversation talking about peaks. 

 

46 minutes ago, lonnie said:

Whatever the case might be I'm right on both accounts as relates to Rih having a huge peak and Loud being bigger than Midnights and you seem to agree with me too so I don't get this back and forth 

 

That's the only part I'm disagreeing with but it's not like it matters that much for the topic of this thread so you're right let's leave it at that. 

 

Edited November 16, 2023 by Klein

[Avenger]

Carly? 

[lonnie]

9 minutes ago, Klein said:

Then I don't even know why Midnights or Loud are in the conversation talking about peaks. 

I simply gave an example of how one era that's been considered small in this thread (Loud) was compared to another that's considered huge (Midnights). It's only that @Artistofthedecadeand the other swifties got mad about the comparison and went on and on when it was never the main point or that big a deal in the first place. Individually speaking I know that GGGB and 1989 respectively are their biggest "peaks"

 

11 minutes ago, Klein said:

That's the only part I'm disagreeing with but it's not like it matters that much for the topic of this thread so you're right let's leave it at that.

And I don't expect anything else despite all stats showing I'm right lol. Rih probably sold upwards of 70M (probably closer to 100M with the features) singles and around 10M albums combining sales from Rated R, Loud and Talk That Talk together in the period of 2010-2011 (which is very huge) but all comparisons here were made on individual eras e.g. The Midnights era or The Loud era meaning focus was on the one album released in that period. And with that in mind Loud is bigger than Midnights in every way minus streams and the tour. You can disagree but you and I both know that the stats favour me so I'll leave it at that