fan base K-Pop Thread: 2023 Archive

[BellKat]

5 minutes ago, katyberry said:

 

 

My Naevis, we love you 

[JoanneActII]

24 minutes ago, paperfectdelusion said:

throwback acts like Super Junior, TVXQ and BoA having more than one comeback within a year

tvxq hasn't had a korean comeback in 5 years and boa has a korean comeback every 1-2 years (it was almost 2 years between better and forgive me) 

idgaf about suju but they're under their own sublabel and management and them having comebacks has no impact on other acts ffs 

[MonsterNavy]

I don't think HYBE will be SM's downfall though, I can imagine SM bouncing back from all this messy releases from 2022

worse case scenario is SM 2023 releases might get delayed or pushed back but that's it

[Rhythm]

38 minutes ago, Vrx. said:

SM was doing fine what happened

Yeah they had to pay taxes but they earned second only to HYBE these past couple of years so wtf gives 

Seems like more of a pre-emptive measure to me than a last resort or having to digging themselves out of a ditch. Their heaviest struggles right now are internal and relevant to the corporate structure, not financial implosion.

[Gaia]

1 minute ago, Gui Blackout said:

But even from a business perspective having these acts, even at a high cost, is worth it. What sets SM apart is that they have the greatest roster of talent in the industry, by far. It's what made their brand. Hype had to go on shopping spree and mass debut all these groups to manufacture a "Hybe family" similarly to what SM has.

Brand doesn't pay the bills. Everyone can see SM has been struggling since 3rd gen. They had multiple 2nd gen acts making it big and scoring hits with SUJU, SHINee, SNSD, and f(x). But with 3rd generation they only had EXO and RV. Now its 4th gen and all these groups are popping off and their only successful 4th gen group is already struggling 

 

 

SM's inability to let go of their old groups that are making 0 impact or noise is why they have also struggled to debut new groups. They can't manage 20 active groups. 

 

[WeFoundWill]

 

Is it THAT serious  

 

[WeFoundWill]

Beating people up in line for concert tickets is INSANE

[Gui Blackout]

7 minutes ago, New Edition said:

Alongside the acquisition, we will also put a massive knife cut to SM's operating structure. We have confirmed Lee Soo-man's commitment to improving SM's governance structure. HYBE already has the highest level of governance transparency through our board-centered management. We will take an active role in improving SM's governance structure just as we have led industry advancement with a multi-label strategy operation and fandom platform development."

Welp this confirmed all my worst fears about this

 

What a dark day

[New Edition]

1 minute ago, Gui Blackout said:

Welp this confirmed all my worst fears about this

 

What a dark day

Yeah this is the crux of everything. When I read this: "Alongside the acquisition, we will also put a massive knife cut to SM's operating structure. We have confirmed Lee Soo-man's commitment to improving SM's governance structure. HYBE already has the highest level of governance transparency through our board-centered management. We will take an active role in improving SM's governance structure just as we have led industry advancement with a multi-label strategy operation and fandom platform development." I was like 

 

It can be good in some ways, but I really don't know how what's going to be left over when the smoke clears.

[kendoll2001]

4 minutes ago, WeFoundWill said:

 

Is it THAT serious  

 

Between HYBE and Kakao serving endless Game of Thrones cosplay in Korea today, to people assaulting each other in the streets of Mexico for Blackpink tickets, what in the KPOP hell is happening today. Endless mess 

[New Edition]

 

Which SM female idol will have to take these kinds of pics with Bang PD?

[New Edition]

Are SM artists now no longer allowed to perform on MBC?

[kendoll2001]

Just now, New Edition said:

 

Which SM female idol will have to take these kinds of pics with Bang PD?

I nominate Karina as HYBE’s new princess to battle against one Kakao’s Wonyoung 

[Eternium]

6 minutes ago, Gui Blackout said:

Welp this confirmed all my worst fears about this

 

What a dark day

They’re basically saying that they’re just going to cut out Kakao management and the individuals that are beefing with LSM (basically the CEOs/their immediate teams).

 

I wish it meant they would cut SM’s choreographers  

[p1lotjones]

13 minutes ago, Gui Blackout said:

But even from a business perspective having these acts, even at a high cost, is worth it. What sets SM apart is that they have the greatest roster of talent in the industry, by far. It's what made their brand. Hype had to go on shopping spree and mass debut all these groups to manufacture a "Hybe family" similarly to what SM has.

I agree, it's a great thing but there's no reason that Key should be having more push than Aespa. His comebacks look more well thought out than NCT too, and despite what stans say, there's no way the creative direction/execution has anything to do with the artists efforts. There's ways that SM can continue to push all their acts without giving less to the ones who should logically be prioritized.

[JoanneActII]

4 minutes ago, New Edition said:

 

Which SM female idol will have to take these kinds of pics with Bang PD?

Karina, Taeyeon and Boa probably 

[MonsterNavy]

1 minute ago, New Edition said:

 

Which SM female idol will have to take these kinds of pics with Bang PD?

its not really that worse than what SM idols has been doing with his artists

 

 

[JoanneActII]

1 minute ago, p1lotjones said:

I agree, it's a great thing but there's no reason that Key should be having more push than Aespa. His comebacks look more well thought out than NCT too, and despite what stans say, there's no way the creative direction/execution has anything to do with the artists efforts. There's ways that SM can continue to push all their acts without giving less to the ones who should logically be prioritized.

Key is the creative director for his comebacks, thats why his comebacks have more "push" than aespa and nct because he's directly involved in all aspects of the creative process. 

[fais_2311]

Hyena & Sheep hybrid 

 

Naevi debut might be shelved 

 

Lesserafim, NewJeans, aespa trinity 

[Guest]

If hybe gets to manage sm groups globally, it will actually be a good thing. Sm is outdated af and hybe is the only company who is smart and have resources to cater to global market. 

[Witnessed ET]

1 hour ago, Rhythm said:

Seventeen isn’t even a homegrown HYBE group, so getting panties twisted over a statement like that is utterly hilarious. Whatever skill set the group has, they brought with them in the merger.
 

Regardless of that, the way carats try vehemently to overestimate Seventeen’s vocal prowess is wildly astonishing to me. Of their vocal line (DK, Joshua, Jeonghan, Seungkwan), only two are competent enough to do the heavy lifting of the group which is already a weak balance against the number of members. The two J’s are capable in their own right, compared to the others (that aren’t consistent enough in technique to be recognized). But the line as a whole would never be able to measure up well against the most revered BG lines (BTOB, EXO, SHINee, Highlight), nor are any of them remarkable or distinctive enough to stand out individually, either (I’ll give the most credit to DK bc he’s my favorite).

 

 

1 hour ago, MusicFan98 said:

You are more of a SVT stan than anyone else in this thread king, you should know SVT is a well rounded group but they are best at dancing, yeah, some of them can sing but they are like NCT level of vocalists at best, they aren't touching TVXQ, SuJu, SHINee or EXO in the vocals department, it's giving Liz main vocalist propaganda, she ain't all that.

Umm can y’all chill  when did I ever say they were ever on the level of EXO’s vocalists? Of course not every Svt member is a world class vocalist and we all know that, especially not when they have 13 damn members. But what I’m not gonna sit back and tolerate is y’all underestimating them and putting them in the same box as other HYBE groups’ “vocals”, especially DK and Seungkwan  That’s what my original comment was actually about. Joshua and Jeonghan might not be powerhouse vocalists but they can definitely stand on their own in kpop. and let’s not act like there aren’t other capable vocalists like Hoshi and Woozi. Even Dino is better than most so-called “vocalists” in that company lol. 

Lemme just go and watch this video to block out the noise 

 

and Liz is definitely a up there in 4th gen. She just doesn’t have enough chances to show that yet 

[p1lotjones]

Just now, JoanneActII said:

Key is the creative director for his comebacks, thats why his comebacks have more "push" than aespa and nct because he's directly involved in all aspects of the creative process. 

please. just like exo was creative director for obsession, kkb and monster, red velvet for most of their great concepts, etc. people are hired to execute these concepts at a high level. there's no reason why an artist like nct who is selling 2 million albums a pop aren't assigned a competent creative team instead of rehashing the same concept 10 times. key may have input but it takes $$$ and creatives to make it come to life

[worldwide angel]

8 minutes ago, kendoll2001 said:

I nominate Karina as HYBE’s new princess to battle against one Kakao’s Wonyoung 

Not the Dance of Dongsaengs 

[New Edition]

Now that we're witnessing this all happening, I think we can all agree that JYJ was absolutely correct in suing SM Entertainment. They were right about LSM and the company culture all along. I remember Uknow/Boa throwing shade at them back in the day for suing. Turns out LSM and SM company culture led to SM's own downfall. Welp 

[katyberry]

12 minutes ago, New Edition said:

 

Which SM female idol will have to take these kinds of pics with Bang PD?

Giselle please! It is her time to finally become the princess of aespa