album Taylor Swift - ‘Midnights’

[Sprawl]

[TheArgonaut]

1 minute ago, Sprawl said:

[TheArgonaut]

I wonder how many songwriters she has on the album this time around. Herself and Jack confirmed, maybe two more?

I would love a whole self-written album.

[RuflesCando]

13 minutes ago, WeFoundTrouble said:

Writing is different though, like if a novel came out that was extremely contradictory from chapter to chapter, and the ending didn’t resolve the conflict that happened during the rising action, people would say the book was a failure at storytelling. To me, even though I like hoax as a song, from a writing standpoint I think it’s a failure. 

You've just described a lot of modernist novels and the same kind of critique it was given to them by critics at the time, in a realist literature mindset. Take for instance James Joyce's Ulysses, Virginia Woolf's essay Modern Fiction, and Falkner's Sound and Fury. Or some of Borges' short stories. Mark Z. Danielewski's House of Leaves, for a more recent example. Art is open. Each interprets as they see fit, especially with poetry (Louise Glück's poems sometimes are extremely difficult to grasp). 

There's no instance that a work of art is deemed a failure because purposedly shows internal contradictions anymore, at least since the beginning of post-modern/contemporary fiction

[Squall]

Streaming 1989, You Are In Love OG played and I didn't stop it, sorry not sorry

 

[Taylor fanboy]

Oh wow another track title reveal today. Imagine the uneventfulness of it when there’s a title track. 

[Taylor fanboy]

17 minutes ago, TheArgonaut said:

I wonder how many songwriters she has on the album this time around. Herself and Jack confirmed, maybe two more?

I would love a whole self-written album.

Aaron Dessner posted ten hearts.

 

He needs to be here. I’m tired of Jack Antonoff since Lover.

[PoisonedIvy]

11 minutes ago, RuflesCando said:

You've just described a lot of modernist novels and the same kind of critique it was given to them by critics at the time, in a realist literature mindset. Take for instance James Joyce's Ulysses, Virginia Woolf's essay Modern Fiction, and Falkner's Sound and Fury. Or some of Borges' short stories. Mark Z. Danielewski's House of Leaves, for a more recent example. Art is open. Each interprets as they see fit, especially with poetry (Louise Glück's poems sometimes are extremely difficult to grasp). 

There's no instance that a work of art is deemed a failure because purposedly shows internal contradictions anymore, at least since the beginning of post-modern/contemporary fiction

I’ll have to check out some of the examples you’ve given, I’m open to expanding my view on this. I love hoax musically it’s just such a 180 from most of Taylor’s discography which is usually so detailed and full of vivid imagery that places you right in the room with her during the events of each song’s narrative. With hoax it’s just a “mood” song more than anything else, it creates a feeling but not a story.

[PoisonedIvy]

3 minutes ago, Taylor fanboy said:

Aaron Dessner posted ten hearts.

 

He needs to be here. I’m tired of Jack Antonoff since Lover.

I want like 4 Aaron tracks, 3 Jack, like 3 new collaborators, and the remaining tracks self produced. Ha Kate Bush initiation 

[Taylor fanboy]

2 minutes ago, WeFoundTrouble said:

I want like 4 Aaron tracks, 3 Jack, like 3 new collaborators, and the remaining tracks self produced. Ha Kate Bush initiation 

Tbh I just need Aaron here, he hasn’t missed, and before even working with Tay, he has never spent time with her enough, yet understood the assignment every damn time.

 

I’m blown away by his work. Mad woman, Better Man, We Were Happy, Cardigan, Invisible String, Cowboy Like Me, I’m wet just typing those.

Edited September 24, 2022 by Taylor fanboy

[Taylor fanboy]

All Too Well (Aaron’s Version) is also the best version of the song.

 

Aaron is his best producer since Max Martin & Co.

[Sprawl]

10 minutes ago, Taylor fanboy said:

Oh wow another track title reveal today. Imagine the uneventfulness of it when there’s a title track. 

Highly doubt this will have a title track solely due to the album’s concept. It would be weird for one of the 13 sleepless nights to simply be called “Midnights” lmao

[Taylor fanboy]

1 minute ago, Sprawl said:

Highly doubt this will have a title track solely due to the album’s concept. It would be weird for one of the 13 sleepless nights to simply be called “Midnights” lmao

I hope so too lmao

 

Although I do miss title tracks from her. We can always assign one from the album if it doesn’t have one, the centerpiece like:

 

TS - The Outside

1989 - Clean

reputation - Delicate

folklore - Seven

 

[RuflesCando]

6 minutes ago, WeFoundTrouble said:

it’s just such a 180 from most of Taylor’s

 

6 minutes ago, WeFoundTrouble said:

With hoax it’s just a “mood” song more than anything else, it creates a feeling but not a story

Oh absolutely! I personally think it's both about Joe (the good parts) and Scott (the bad parts) and she's just mixing feelings into a lyric. It gives the sensation of being confessional but it ends up being almost the most impersonal song on the album (for me at least) because you can't pinpoint it exactly. It's a very interesting track, and a thing she definitely hadn't done before. I think I like it more because it's a Taylor song, of all people, that risks of alienating the listerner. It grew on me but it took some time. I 100% understand.

[RuflesCando]

6 minutes ago, Taylor fanboy said:

All Too Well (Aaron’s Version) is also the best version of the song

no doubt about it

[Magickarp]

Aaron is his best producer since Max Martin & Co [2]

 

For new producers i want Justin Meldal Johnsen (Paramore) & Dan Auerbach (the guy who gave guitars to Ultraviolence & stopped it from being a Honeysnooze)

[RuflesCando]

3 minutes ago, Taylor fanboy said:

I hope so too lmao

 

Although I do miss title tracks from her. We can always assign one from the album if it doesn’t have one, the centerpiece like:

 

TS - The Outside

1989 - Clean

reputation - Delicate

folklore - Seven

 

For me 1989's centerpiece it's New Romantics.  It's almost its thesis statement in a way. It delivers all the things that constructs the album: cynicism, snarkiness, a blasé and almost detached nonchalant way of living in the biggest city in the world, in your 20s, being wealthy. It is ironic (like Blank Space) but also hopeful and very dramatic. I love how it closes the album (deluxe)

[PoisonedIvy]

10 minutes ago, RuflesCando said:

For me 1989's centerpiece it's New Romantics.  It's almost its thesis statement in a way. It delivers all the things that constructs the album: cynicism, snarkiness, a blasé and almost detached nonchalant way of living in the biggest city in the world, in your 20s, being wealthy. It is ironic (like Blank Space) but also hopeful and very dramatic. I love how it closes the album (deluxe)

I agree with this wholeheartedly; always have. 

[Squall]

People wanting Max Martin  His generic ass can go back producing for every mainstream artists  

[19SLAYty9]

Wait… max is in the album… that’s his studio from the making of reputation …  the fourth still

[19SLAYty9]

Wait… multiple of those rooms in the making of midnights videos were studios she was in with max during making of rep

[Kyle-x]

11 minutes ago, RuflesCando said:

 

Oh absolutely! I personally think it's both about Joe (the good parts) and Scott (the bad parts) and she's just mixing feelings into a lyric. It gives the sensation of being confessional but it ends up being almost the most impersonal song on the album (for me at least) because you can't pinpoint it exactly. It's a very interesting track, and a thing she definitely hadn't done before. I think I like it more because it's a Taylor song, of all people, that risks of alienating the listerner. It grew on me but it took some time. I 100% understand.

I personally don't think hoax is about Joe at all. I think it's all about Scott but the way she's written it would make you think she's talking about a romantic relationship, probably to be more relatable because having a business relationship with an older man that was a sort of father figure is a pretty unique experience. I've interpreted most of the verses to be a defeated reflection about their vying for control of her masters with imagery of a literal battle "my smoking gun/my eclipsed sun"; "my twisted knife/my sleepless night/my win-less fight"; "my best laid plan/your sleight of hand/my barren land/I am ash from your fire". The chorus is when it all had come to a head and she knew there wasn't any going back. Then the bridge is her recognizing the anguish and hurt she felt by someone who intimately knew the pain she went through during snakegate turning around and doing the same thing to her (i.e how she pointed out how Scott knew Scooter was her "bully" in her letter she posted during the masters controversy).

 

I think this song can be confusing for people who don't know anything about her personal life because of all the details included and language she uses but also for people who know a lot about her personal life because there's so many people certain parts could be attributed to because she's had a lot of beefs nnn. 

[TaylenaStan]

Maybe she will release a lead single now that there is a new mega viral song 
She didnt want all those free weeks at #1 and needed the competition first 

Edited September 24, 2022 by TaylenaStan

[TheArgonaut]

2 minutes ago, TaylenaStan said:

Maybe she will release a lead single now that there is a new mega viral song 
She didnt want all those free weeks at #1 and needed the competition first 

This dumb bish I swear

[RuflesCando]

10 minutes ago, Kyle-x said:

I personally don't think hoax is about Joe at all. I think it's all about Scott but the way she's written it would make you think she's talking about a romantic relationship, probably to be more relatable because having a business relationship with an older man that was a sort of father figure is a pretty unique experience. I've interpreted most of the verses to be a defeated reflection about their vying for control of her masters with imagery of a literal battle "my smoking gun/my eclipsed sun"; "my twisted knife/my sleepless night/my win-less fight"; "my best laid plan/your sleight of hand/my barren land/I am ash from your fire". The chorus is when it all had come to a head and she knew there wasn't any going back. Then the bridge is her recognizing the anguish and hurt she felt by someone who intimately knew the pain she went through during snakegate turning around and doing the same thing to her (i.e how she pointed out how Scott knew Scooter was her "bully" in her letter she posted during the masters controversy).

 

I think this song can be confusing for people who don't know anything about her personal life because of all the details included and language she uses but also for people who know a lot about her personal life because there's so many people certain parts could be attributed to because she's had a lot of beefs nnn. 

I say Joe because of "Don't want no other shade of blue but you". Every time either blue or gold appears it relates to Joe. But I agree with you, it is about the masters. I think maybe she just had that line written down and thought of using it