Kingdom Posted March 9 Posted March 9 9 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said: Because she was doing over 2 million daily, and now is doing 1.1 on her biggest streaming day of the week. That's collapsing. Sunday will be probably 800k or less she was not doing 2m daily...she did 2m on some days. Let's not exaggerate. She is doing just fine. 1
Lose My Breath Posted March 9 Posted March 9 9 minutes ago, Blue Rose said: It’s been a minute month tho… our standards have changed so quickly Well sis A week ago today: Today: 2 1
FSXP Posted March 9 Posted March 9 (edited) Usually, people go to work after a song goes viral but this is Beyoncé. That’s likely the the reason for the decrease in the US. It’s still a success but it probably won’t see an explosion until she does something. I can see slight increases on streaming as it gains its momentum back. The pull from Tik Tok definitely hurt its momentum in the US though. Edited March 9 by FSXP 1 1
Burn Posted March 9 Posted March 9 I hope her full discography gets a Dolby Atmos update on Apple Music with the release of this album. All of Usher’s albums recently got updated before his album release but obviously with him doing the AM SuperBowl they had more of a reason to do it. It would help give her catalogue a cute lil boost. 1
luxurious Posted March 9 Posted March 9 ykw Im starting to believe the album wasn’t entirely finished when the singles got released. Probably nothing major but finishing touches. No preorders still and that guy on Facebook who got flown out for a zydeco song if I remember correctly kinda makes me believe that 1
Lose My Breath Posted March 9 Posted March 9 12 minutes ago, Kingdom said: Hive loves to overreact...anyone calling this a flop in the usa is really d*mb..like BMS didn't happen Who is calling this a flop? No one said that. The facts are that it's dropping off really fast, and there is nothing to stop it from continuing to drop, no one is doing anything. It went from a probable "biggest hit of the year", to not. It's unfortunate, but that's what's happening. Her competition for the #1 spots this past week (benson, and kanye) yesterday remained at #1 and #2 on Spotify US, while she dropped to #11. 3 2
Draper. Posted March 9 Posted March 9 1 minute ago, Lose My Breath said: Who is calling this a flop? No one said that. The facts are that it's dropping off really fast, and there is nothing to stop it from continuing to drop, no one is doing anything. It went from a probable "biggest hit of the year", to not. It's unfortunate, but that's what's happening. Her competition for the #1 spots this past week (benson, and kanye) yesterday remained at #1 and #2 on Spotify US, while she dropped to #11. If it were meant to be the biggest hit of the year it would’ve happen without promotion tho. You can’t force those things. 3
Burn Posted March 9 Posted March 9 1 minute ago, luxurious said: ykw Im starting to believe the album wasn’t entirely finished when the singles got released. Probably nothing major but finishing touches. No preorders still and that guy on Facebook who got flown out for a zydeco song if I remember correctly kinda makes me believe that Yea as a perfectionist Bey will always be touching up things until the last minute. Didn’t we find out that some of the songs on Rennie were finished just weeks before the album? I can’t remember exactly which ones but I think Alien Superstar might’ve been one of them. 1
Lose My Breath Posted March 9 Posted March 9 Just now, Draper. said: If it were meant to be the biggest hit of the year it would’ve happen without promotion tho. You can’t force those things. Promoting isn't "forcing" anything, and that's a weird outlook to have that only Beyonce fans probably have, must be a coping mechanism after the years of abuse 2 1
Burn Posted March 9 Posted March 9 (edited) Yea it was AS, as after the whole controversy about the Right Said Fred sample (gosh, what a time that and the Kelis debacle were ) we got this statement. Quote Update: Beyonce's statement 'The comments made by Right Said Fred stating that Beyonce used “I’m Too Sexy” in “Alien Superstar” without permission are erroneous and incredibly disparaging. Permission was asked of their publisher on May 11, 2022 and the publisher approved the use on June 15, 2022. They were paid for the usage in August, 2022. So AS was being worked on up to May/June 2022, just a month before the album. It wouldn’t be that shocking if she finished work on Act II within the last couple of weeks. Edited March 9 by Burn 1
chaeyonce Posted March 9 Posted March 9 13 minutes ago, luxurious said: ykw Im starting to believe the album wasn’t entirely finished when the singles got released. Probably nothing major but finishing touches. No preorders still and that guy on Facebook who got flown out for a zydeco song if I remember correctly kinda makes me believe that This has been my belief for over a week, it's simply bizarre that the pre orders haven't been up 2
Cbreezy Posted March 9 Posted March 9 1 minute ago, Burn said: Yea it was AS, as after the whole controversy about the Right Said Fred sample (gosh, what a time that and the Kelis debacle were ) we got this statement. So AS was being worked on up to May/June 2022, just a month before the album. It wouldn’t be that shocking if she finished work on Act II within the last couple of weeks. I loosely remember this too. But does anyone remember if the Rennie vinyl shipped week of release or was it later? Because IMO it's the vinyl shipment that is the ultimate tell-tale of when work wrapped on the final version. Pressing takes anywhere from 4 weeks (express) to 8 weeks plus (more typically), so the final album will need to be turned in before then. That said, even if the Rennie vinyl shipped later, with vinyl sales sky-rocketing and the rest of the industry constantly diving more and more into streaming as the main means of consumption, it'd be less than smart IMO to **not** have vinyl ready to roll for Act II. Especially countless sources say she's been sitting on this album for years! 2
Lose My Breath Posted March 9 Posted March 9 It's hard to know about realistic timelines for finishing to production of a physical CD to shipping without knowing how long an album needs to be submitted to be produced and shippable. Prior, with mostly physical sales, I assume you would have had to have a lot longer time for production, but now probably not nearly as much. I'm not sure she even sales her stuff in most retailers? I saw Rennie at Target, but I'm not sure about the other big box stores. As for vinyls, are they pressed? That may take a lot longer. 1
Lose My Breath Posted March 9 Posted March 9 Just now, Cbreezy said: I loosely remember this too. But does anyone remember if the Rennie vinyl shipped week of release or was it later? Because IMO it's the vinyl shipment that is the ultimate tell-tale of when work wrapped on the final version. Pressing takes anywhere from 4 weeks (express) to 8 weeks plus (more typically), so the final album will need to be turned in before then. That said, even if the Rennie vinyl shipped later, with vinyl sales sky-rocketing and the rest of the industry constantly diving more and more into streaming as the main means of consumption, it'd be less than smart IMO to **not** have vinyl ready to roll for Act II. Especially countless sources say she's been sitting on this album for years! My vinyl was shipped 7/30, the day after release. 1
AxelFox Posted March 9 Posted March 9 The way y'all still pull the 'she has a plan' card She never does. Not for the last decade at least. Every release since ST has been a **** show, with Renaissance being the worst offender. Watching and getting emotional over Ariana's new video reminded me how much of an impact visuals can have and how badly she ****** up Renaissance. It's just won't hit the same, even if by miracle they come together with act 2. 4 1
Beyoncei Posted March 9 Posted March 9 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Kingdom said: Hive loves to overreact...anyone calling this a flop in the usa is really d*mb..like BMS didn't happen Not a flop at all! Just seeing it perform better in other countries over the last couple of weeks is a bit alarming but that said it is satisfying seeing her have a true worldwide smash decades into her phenomenal career. Edited March 9 by Beyoncei 1
Lose My Breath Posted March 9 Posted March 9 (edited) I'm curious if 3.29 was the original release date that had been picked for a bit, or if she was just like "okay, I guess it's time" lol. It being the 29th would be a crazy coincidence though, as Rennie was also released on the 29th. I'd love to see a docu that involved the whole process, like recording, and picking release dates, picking singles, artwork, and just some insight into how she actually plans the ERAs Edited March 9 by Lose My Breath 2 1
Beyoncei Posted March 9 Posted March 9 1 minute ago, Lose My Breath said: I'm curious is 3.29 was the original release date that had been picked for a bit, or if she was just like "okay, I guess it's time" lol I'd love to see a docu that involved the whole process, like recording, and picking release dates, picking singles, artwork, and just some insight into how she actually plans the ERAs This is long overdue and I completely agree!
BnPac Posted March 9 Posted March 9 31 minutes ago, Draper. said: If it were meant to be the biggest hit of the year it would’ve happen without promotion tho. You can’t force those things. No songs of the year ever just happened though. Promotion is normal, it's taking pride in your work. It was on a track to be the biggest smash of the year but it can't get there without a strong push : Flowers didn't, Cruel Summer didn't, AS It Was didn't, Bruno's songs didn't, Ed's songs didn't etc. 1 1
Cbreezy Posted March 9 Posted March 9 Legit question and one that doesn't come with judgment or an angle, but I'm curious... Do y'all really have no care or investment in whether the album sells or nah? Would a 120k debut and capping out at 500k-600k...be ok? Do you think she'll magically go back to selling 300k+ for act 3? I've seen a lot of "well, its sales won't affect my enjoyment of the music or era" and "she can do what she wants" remarks. That isn't the question, though. It's more a case of: are you totally a-ok with an underperformance for this album? Again, I respect everyone's takes and don't look at my own as gospel. It's just kinda ironic to see the pushback on anyone who doesn't have this hyper-relaxed attitude to preorder-gate when...the vast majority of those same people are camped in the Texas Hold Em thread monitoring its hourly performance. AND...were the same people, during Rennie, pulling their hair out about her leaving the album for dead when the only track doing streaming #s was Cuff It. It kinda gives the vibe of more of us being Chart Hive than we like to admit. There's those who play that card when there's success to claim (e.g. like Texas), but turn around play it down during quieter windows ("she has nothing to prove")....only to be the same ones complaining mid-era when there's any kind of underperformance that other stan groups are given license to clown us for. Then there's those (like yours truly) who are unapologetic chart hive and want her doing big numbers every time because she is a big artist (the biggest) and drops music worthy of that. An admitted drawback being that it can sometimes take away from the "enjoyment of the era". The psychology of stanning, especially in online spaces like this, will never not intrigue, confuse, annoy, and delight me all at the same damn time lol. 1
BnPac Posted March 9 Posted March 9 15 minutes ago, AxelFox said: The way y'all still pull the 'she has a plan' card She never does. Not for the last decade at least. Every release since ST has been a **** show, with Renaissance being the worst offender. Watching and getting emotional over Ariana's new video reminded me how much of an impact visuals can have and how badly she ****** up Renaissance. It's just won't hit the same, even if by miracle they come together with act 2. I guess this is aimed at me. Maybe so but I have decided to trust this time. There's no reason to miss on many impulsive purchases from fans or casuals when the hype of THE was a peak and 16C was being praised as a masterpiece and made people interested in the album other than having something bigger planed. Spoiler If they don't, well I will eat humble pie and feel sorry for Parkwood as an entity tbh.
ReneighIsHere Posted March 9 Posted March 9 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Cbreezy said: I loosely remember this too. But does anyone remember if the Rennie vinyl shipped week of release or was it later? Because IMO it's the vinyl shipment that is the ultimate tell-tale of when work wrapped on the final version. Pressing takes anywhere from 4 weeks (express) to 8 weeks plus (more typically), so the final album will need to be turned in before then. That said, even if the Rennie vinyl shipped later, with vinyl sales sky-rocketing and the rest of the industry constantly diving more and more into streaming as the main means of consumption, it'd be less than smart IMO to **not** have vinyl ready to roll for Act II. Especially countless sources say she's been sitting on this album for years! Renaissance had a limited vinyl (25k units) that shipped first week while the standard vinyl was released in october... she missed out on 45k vinyls that could have added to the first week sales (that's how much she sold for the first week of availability with one standard vinyl). This kinda confirmed that the album was finished very close to the release date therefore they didn't have time for a proper vinyl release (the limited edition is all they were able to make in time for the first week i guess). I was hopining things would be different for this album considering she's been sitting on this for a while apparently, but the lack of preorders has me worrying. I still want to believe she has multiple physicals ready and hasn't revealed anything yet because she wants to keep everything under wraps (including the name and cover apparently ) till we are closer to the release date Edited March 9 by ReneighIsHere 1
Negiiiii Posted March 9 Posted March 9 No. I’m 100% sure Renaissance and all albums are ready way before we think. however, Vinyls are very hard to produce and take a lot of time which means a leak is highly at risk because there are not a lot of factories who produce Vinyl so all of them are « known » if that makes sence. And as she’s very known for being secret, she’s exactly the type of celeb someone would leak info of if one would have any…
ReneighIsHere Posted March 9 Posted March 9 3 minutes ago, Negiiiii said: No. I’m 100% sure Renaissance and all albums are ready way before we think. however, Vinyls are very hard to produce and take a lot of time which means a leak is highly at risk because there are not a lot of factories who produce Vinyl so all of them are « known » if that makes sence. And as she’s very known for being secret, she’s exactly the type of celeb someone would leak info of if one would have any… Well if she took the risk and did 25k vinyls why didn't they make more? either they didn't have enough time to do that or they underestimated her demand.. could be the latter cause the boxes sold out too now that i think about it (and never restocked if i remember correctly). She could really sell +400k easily if she wanted to and it makes me mad 1
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