hungrymuffin Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 6 hours ago, Bethenny Frankel said: Well, I like both but the numbers don't lie sweetie 20 minutes ago, Jude said: No coz this thread was not even made by us but an OAH. This thread was a setup to drag Ariana and y'all took the bait (which is not surprising coz a lot of you itch to drag her whenever you can). op said they are a fan of both so whats the truth? i dont have time to look at their history that said ariana fans do the same but did you ever call them out? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marla Singer Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 The set up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jude Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) 7 minutes ago, hungrymuffin said: op said they are a fan of both so whats the truth? i dont have time to look at their history that said ariana fans do the same but did you ever call them out? Anyone can claim they are a stan of someone. He's an obvious troll. This is an obvious setup. No sane person here would think Ariana or anyone right now is above Taylor. But you let these trolls make you look insecure. You know Taylor is above all yet you continue dragging other female artists just because their stans or those who pretend to be their stans attack your fave. Edited March 19 by Jude 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kern Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 7 hours ago, dirrtydiana said: She can get every single song on the album to occupy the top 10 or however many songs on the track list. She can sell one billion copies and win all the grammys but she'll never be able to sing like ari 6 hours ago, dirrtydiana said: NURSE! 4 hours ago, dirrtydiana said: THE ABSOLUTE MELTDOWNS is it brain rot from constantly listening to the UTTER GARBAGE masquerading as “good songwriting" aimed for kindergarteners you willingly listen to and pay your hard earned money for?? Way to tell the world how EASILY it is to push your buttons. the absolute lack of self awareness and self respect of a Taylor f*cking swift stan to talk about someone else's vocals. You stan charts and trophies not music. You are the equivalent of the obese bottom of the barrel McDonald's consumer. no matter if your insipid vapid fave (who stans Britney btw) gets all the songs on poets to reach number one, it will forever be JARRING seeing her on lists amongst the greats. Ariana will remain the better singer and performer while THIS is who you stan and no amount of record sales will make it less embarrassing or will change that: OT: yes if she wants Damn, you really do need a nurse 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariananext Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Why is Ariana being dragged into this when OP is a swiftie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sad Serenade Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) She can snatch the entire Top 10 with just tracks. The #1 depends on how many singles she will release and when. Edited March 19 by Sad Serenade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwiftie Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Hmm maybe if she cares to push one after she will block the whole top10 anyways… It has to have like smash written all over it and come with a killer video. Otherwise the other songs/pushed single will overshadow everything like Anti Hero did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taemira Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Yes. You don't ever underestimate Swifties' streaming farms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEUTRON Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 13 hours ago, Machete said: Ari 2 #1s aren't impressive my god. YA? is one of the weakest #1s ever that and the "Boyfriend" song shouldve never been recorded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphy23 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 I'd be surprised if she got less than 3. She literally had Anti-Hero, Karma, Cruel Summer, and Is It Over Now within 1 year. And Lavender Haze was a moderate hit as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Music Industry Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 15 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said: "More global"? So Taylor is popular in an extra country or what? That's dense. They're both global. The question is who is bigger globally. Ariana has more hits in Europe. Taylor bigger album sales in Europe. Both are big in Latin America. Both are streaming forces. I don't know how to exactly answer your question without further elaboration. The audacity to say "that's dense'' only to proceed with a full post acting dense as hell. Taylor is factually bigger globally than Ariana, and the fact that you can't even admit it when her own stans wouldn't disagree is embarrassing for you. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hungrymuffin Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 7 hours ago, Jude said: Anyone can claim they are a stan of someone. He's an obvious troll. This is an obvious setup. No sane person here would think Ariana or anyone right now is above Taylor. But you let these trolls make you look insecure. You know Taylor is above all yet you continue dragging other female artists just because their stans or those who pretend to be their stans attack your fave. not sure what i have to do with this, i didnt drag her never seen op in base, just looked at their post history, looks more like a monster than a swiftie and i fail to understand this narrative of being insecure werent ariantors like this when she was at the top? it didnt stop most of them doing what most swifties are doing right now? there was literally countless threads before its also mind blogging people say 'your fave is on top and you still have to drag other female artists' my questions are: why would someone be brave or drag others when their fave is a flop? people have been saying swifties live through taylors achievements, so what does taylor on top have to do with swifties dragging other artists? the hypocrisy and convenient moving of goalposts is truly scary 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popboi. Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 9 hours ago, Raphy23 said: I'd be surprised if she got less than 3. She literally had Anti-Hero, Karma, Cruel Summer, and Is It Over Now within 1 year. And Lavender Haze was a moderate hit as well. Thing is, she could get 3 if she wanted to. Drop a single before the album, push another on release week and then let Fortnight climb (and inevitably overshadow the other 2 singles). But reality is Fortnight will benefit from being track 1, likely lead single and the collab and halt the rest of the album from having a chance. Edited March 20 by Popboi. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandNewBrandon Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 9 hours ago, The Music Industry said: The audacity to say "that's dense'' only to proceed with a full post acting dense as hell. Taylor is factually bigger globally than Ariana, and the fact that you can't even admit it when her own stans wouldn't disagree is embarrassing for you. No. Taylor is factually bigger in Anglosphere. Taylor is factually bigger globally. But my initial statement was regarding most countries outside of the US and she's as big as Taylor in non-English language countries. Of course you'll be reading it as a drag towards Taylor but it's not. Ariana and Taylor are equally huge and famous in most countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Everything_(Ariana_Grande_album)#Certifications_and_sales https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnights#Charts Every hit album performs more or less the same, sometimes Ari has sold more, sometimes Taylor. But in terms of singles, Ariana has the slight edge potentially since she's had so many hits since 2014. Edited March 20 by BrandNewBrandon 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popboi. Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 17 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: No. Taylor is factually bigger in Anglosphere. Taylor is factually bigger globally. But my initial statement was regarding most countries outside of the US and she's as big as Taylor in non-English language countries. Of course you'll be reading it as a drag towards Taylor but it's not. Ariana and Taylor are equally huge and famous in most countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Everything_(Ariana_Grande_album)#Certifications_and_sales https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnights#Charts Every hit album performs more or less the same, sometimes Ari has sold more, sometimes Taylor. But in terms of singles, Ariana has the slight edge potentially since she's had so many hits since 2014. Taylor is vastly bigger than Ariana overall in Latin America and Asia, and currently bigger in France, Germany (for years now), etc. so the Anglosphere point is factually incorrect. Especially since 2019. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Music Industry Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 30 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: she's as big as Taylor in non-English language countries (...) Ariana and Taylor are equally huge and famous in most countries Let's look at some stats on Spotify today in non-English language markets (mind you Ariana released a brand new studio album a week ago) Argentina 12. Taylor Swift (#1 non-Spanish artist) 28. Ariana Grande Austria 1. Taylor Swift 10. Ariana Grande Belgium 1. Taylor Swift 3. Ariana Grande Brazil 10. Taylor Swift (#1 non-Spanish artist) 14. Ariana Grande Denmark 6. Taylor Swift 9. Ariana Grande Germany 1. Taylor Swift 17. Ariana Grande Hong Kong 1. Taylor Swift 6. Ariana Grande India 55. Taylor Swift (#1 international artist) 145. Ariana Grande Indonesia 1. Taylor Swift 2. Ariana Grande Italy 29. Taylor Swift (#1 international artist) 48. Ariana Grande Japan 17. Taylor Swift (#1 western artist) 32. Ariana Grande Malaysia 1. Taylor Swift 2. Ariana Grande Mexico 24. Taylor Swift (#1 non-Spanish artist) 27. Ariana Grande Netherlands 1. Taylor Swift 2. Ariana Grande Philippines 1. Taylor Swift 3. Ariana Grande Spain 21. Taylor Swift (#1 non-Spanish artist) 37. Ariana Grande Sweden 1. Taylor Swift 11. Ariana Grande Switzerland 1. Taylor Swift 8. Ariana Grande Taiwan 1. Taylor Swift 6. Ariana Grande Thailand 3. Taylor Swift (#1 western artist) 5. Ariana Grande Out of the dozens of countries I quickly checked, the only two countries where Ariana was ahead of Taylor were France and your precious Poland. At least you still have that going for you! Keep the delusions coming, it's entertaining! Edited March 20 by The Music Industry 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandNewBrandon Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 2 minutes ago, Popboi. said: Taylor is vastly bigger than Ariana overall in Latin America and Asia, and currently bigger in France, Germany (for years now), etc. so the Anglosphere point is factually incorrect. Especially since 2019. Yes, And?: #1 in France, #8 in Germany Is It Over Now?: #129 in France, #51 in Germany. Those are their latest lead singles. Please explain. And don't give me that lead from a re-release crap because it still went #1 in Anglosphere so how come no one cared outside of Anglosphere? Yes, And isn't even a hit yet more people were willing to give it a stream in those countries than a new Taylor song. Also, Anti-Hero was like the first top 10 for Taylor in Germany in ages. Nothing about this screams "vastly bigger". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandNewBrandon Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 2 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: Let's look at some stats on Spotify today in non-English language markets (mind you Ariana released a brand new studio album a week ago) Argentina 12. Taylor Swift (#1 international artist) 28. Ariana Grande Austria 1. Taylor Swift 10. Ariana Grande Belgium 1. Taylor Swift 3. Ariana Grande Brazil 10. Taylor Swift (#1 non-Spanish artist) 14. Ariana Grande Denmark 6. Taylor Swift 9. Ariana Grande Germany 1. Taylor Swift 17. Ariana Grande Hong Kong 1. Taylor Swift 6. Ariana Grande India 55. Taylor Swift (#1 international artist) 145. Ariana Grande Indonesia 1. Taylor Swift 2. Ariana Grande Italy 29. Taylor Swift (#1 international artist) 48. Ariana Grande Japan 17. Taylor Swift (#1 western artist) 32. Ariana Grande Malaysia 1. Taylor Swift 2. Ariana Grande Mexico 24. Taylor Swift (#1 non-Spanish artist) 27. Ariana Grande Netherlands 1. Taylor Swift 2. Ariana Grande Philippines 1. Taylor Swift 3. Ariana Grande Spain 21. Taylor Swift (#1 non-Spanish artist) 37. Ariana Grande Sweden 1. Taylor Swift 11. Ariana Grande Switzerland 1. Taylor Swift 8. Ariana Grande Taiwan 1. Taylor Swift 6. Ariana Grande Thailand 3. Taylor Swift (#1 western artist) 5. Ariana Grande Taylor has had three new albums in a year along with Cruel Summer also being a hit while Ari had a five year break and just released a dozen new songs with a hit that hasn't peaked yet. Please post the updates from those countries when Midnights was released and its streams against Eternal Sunshine without Anglosphere. Popularity can't be measured fairly like what you just did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popboi. Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: Yes, And?: #1 in France, #8 in Germany Is It Over Now?: #129 in France, #51 in Germany. Those are their latest lead singles. Please explain. And don't give me that lead from a re-release crap because it still went #1 in Anglosphere so how come no one cared outside of Anglosphere? Yes, And isn't even a hit yet more people were willing to give it a stream in those countries than a new Taylor song. Also, Anti-Hero was like the first top 10 for Taylor in Germany in ages. Nothing about this screams "vastly bigger". France: #1 1989 (Taylor's Version) #1 Midnights #2 eternal sunshine Germany: #1 1989 (Taylor's Version) #1 Midnights #3 eternal sunshine The Eras Tour has 7 stadium dates in Germany and 6 in France, all sold out almost instantly. Sweetener World Tour had 4 arena dates in Germany and one didn't sell out, and 2 in France which also didn't sell out. If you let 1 (one) song dictate who's bigger... Btw yes, and? wasn't #1 in France, at least get that right. Edited March 20 by Popboi. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Music Industry Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 7 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: Please post the updates from those countries when Midnights was released and its streams against Eternal Sunshine without Anglosphere. First week Spotify streams without America Midnights: 438M eternal sunshine: 231M What now? What's the new goalpost we're moving? 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popboi. Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 24 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: First week Spotify streams without America Midnights: 438M eternal sunshine: 231M What now? What's the new goalpost we're moving? Midnights Spotify first week in Germany - 18.564.559 Can't find eternal sunshine's but thank u, next did 12,959,516 In France, Midnights did 6.4m, eternal sunshine did under 5m Talking about France, yes, and? is only 1 (one) spot above Cruel Summer on their Spotify daily chart despite one being new and the other 4 (almost 5) years old Edited March 20 by Popboi. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Music Industry Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 1 minute ago, Popboi. said: Midnights Spotify first week in Germany - 18.564.559 Can't find eternal sunshine's but thank u, next did 12,959,516 In France, Midnights did 6.4m, eternal sunshine did under 5m Talking about France, yes, and? is only 1 (one) spot above Cruel Summer on their Spotify daily chart despite one being new and the other 4 (almost 5) years old We need @BrandNewBrandon to explain why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popboi. Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 1 minute ago, The Music Industry said: We need @BrandNewBrandon to explain why When the EU leg begins it's going to be a rude awakening for the "Taylor unknown in Europe" delusionals 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaiah Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 On 3/18/2024 at 4:53 PM, saintjude said: hmm... easy answer would be if she releases a lead single before the album drop. However even in that case her lead single still being #1 after the album drop is also a very likely scenerio. No need to compare ariana and taylor they are in different level of artistry and fame. Congrats ariana on the 2 number ones tho she is probably the only one left doing it in the old fashioned way. im not even trying to be negative towards Ari, but getting two-#1 debuts that both tumble off the top spot the week after is not the old fashioned way. The old fashioned way was releasing 2-3 singles prior to the album and they would rise to #1 over the course of a few weeks or even months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 8 hours ago, The Music Industry said: First week Spotify streams without America Midnights: 438M eternal sunshine: 231M What now? What's the new goalpost we're moving? A country-by-country breakdown of streams, but only in European countries and only those that don't speak English, because for some reason singling out a few specific local markets is apparently a better measure of global success than… actual global, worldwide numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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