collin Posted March 16 Posted March 16 28 minutes ago, zeogo said: Which J Lo mess? JLo worked with RedOne for her 2011 album and several of the songs had a vibe similar to Gaga’s work with him. She got insecure that people would think she was just a puppet and told them to add her on the writing credits for a few of the songs. 1
JT55331 Posted March 16 Posted March 16 Let me start by saying Gaga is an icon, no doubt about it. BUT her music became more and more experimental and by the time we reached artpop, she became so far removed from what the geepee was initially invested in. I never forget the stories about her being vomited on during her performance of swine…. I also think Joanne was a misstep, it really lost the mystery and the identify around her as a performer. Nevertheless, I think her decline was a good thing for her wellbeing and she seems in a much much better place. Fame at that level can really mess you up - we’ve seen the demise of many others before - but she seems happy & her acting success and transition is undeniable 2
Likingstars Posted March 17 Posted March 17 The moment Judas release and then TEOG and Y&I, she just started to slip
Yes, AND Posted March 17 Posted March 17 The Express yourself rehash and then the final straw was when Roar stomped. 1 1
Josh Posted March 17 Posted March 17 (edited) 8 hours ago, zeogo said: Which J Lo mess? Edited March 17 by Josh 1
She-Rah Posted March 18 Posted March 18 She never got back to her peak after Judas flopped. It’s been downhill since then.
brenda-walsh Posted March 19 Posted March 19 as someone who was just a young teen and not really following pop culture at that point, i remember joanne being the moment when everyone was saying they want the old gaga back and her superbowl performance brining a lot of exposure back to her career. waatching her perform just dance, poker face, etc was nostalgic and a moment of "remember the old gaga" when she did AHS she still had a lot of edge and mystique so probably sometime in between then and releasing joanne
Blackout2006 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 The cracks were forming from no more working with RedOne, but she lost her edge with whatever she was doing during ARTPOP. Plus, the Oscar performance finally veiled the curtains for 2008-2013 Gaga at that point.
AlexandraDetillieu Posted March 19 Posted March 19 On 3/12/2024 at 8:44 PM, Erreur2 La Nature said: Since the release of Judas everything has been a mess. Yet Judas is bigger s than any """"hit""""" by your fav as a lead artist in the 2010s and 2020s Spotify: Judas - 441,105,371 Hold Me Closer - 374,242,686 Work ***** - 323,211,273 Criminal - 246,866,345 TTWE - 170,128,903 I Wanna Go - 159,317,539 Make Me - 132,524,067 Hold It Against Me - 74,297,330
Inverted Posted March 30 Posted March 30 I honestly think it began as early as Alejandro. The song was well-received, but the GP perception of her starting changing by the time the music video came out, but not enough to damage her commercial appeal and success. The meat dress didn't help and the whole Born This Way era made it worse. There are Gaga stans who constantly compare Katy to Paula Abdul, but Paula's decline actually reminds me of Gaga's in that she still had commercial success even after she lost her edge. Paula lost her edge after her huge debut era when the ghost singing lawsuit was filed against her. She still had hits two #1 Hot 100 hits, another Top 10 and a hit album after that, but the damage was done. The GP was turning against her.
MatiRod Posted March 30 Posted March 30 When G.U.Y flopped and the tour underperformed and she did the Tony Bennett album
JoeAg Posted July 5 Posted July 5 why did i not see this when it was poppin in here anyway, a few months late but I think some of y'all hit it perfectly on the head. Judas, as much as I love it, was the beginning of the end (at THAT POINT… see what i'll say at the end). I think it's frankly a perfect pop song, and it was an instant love for 14 year old Joe, but it's clear she shouldn't have doubled down on anything religious-related when it came to SINGLES after the reception of Alejandro. maybe Bloody Mary or Americano as a single instead, with a halloween theme or a wild west theme respectively. Judas was a bad idea, and she needed something safer than that to stick the landing after that wild ass lead single. but it needed to STILL BE HER. so it should've gone BTW -> Bloody Mary/Americano -> Marry the Night/Scheiße -> Yoü and I (still a PERFECT late summer single imo -> The Edge of Glory with its original video to close out the era. Judas was a fumble, and it could've been avoided. Artpop did indeed, as some of y'all mentioned, feel like she was trying to catch up instead of being fully herself. 16 year old me watching the preview of that itunes festival performance of Swine made me SO excited for some industrial rock vibes, but then the studio version was the biggest disappointment ever for teenage me tbh. I think it's still possible for her to reconnect with that edge some of y'all think has long since faded away. I think she's been inspired lately, and I'm sure her new music will serve something fresh and needed in pop right now. if not the lead, the album tracks will
banterfly Posted July 5 Posted July 5 The BTW aesthetic was just cringe. The artsy pretentiousness with Artpop actually started in BTW and was just most evident in the Artpop era. I don't know what she was thinking. She was delivering party music for the GP during her peak, so I don't know why she pivoted to a niche demographic after that.
HonourableVomit Posted July 5 Posted July 5 1 hour ago, banterfly said: The BTW aesthetic was just cringe. The artsy pretentiousness with Artpop actually started in BTW and was just most evident in the Artpop era. I don't know what she was thinking. She was delivering party music for the GP during her peak, so I don't know why she pivoted to a niche demographic after that. maybe because she had something to say instead of just wanting to sell as much as possible
JanStan Posted July 5 Posted July 5 She lost her 'edge' when she realized she had nothing left to prove and could instead do what she enjoyed. This is evident for example when she chooses to do jazz shows instead of pop shows even though she could probably make more doing the latter. I love it for her and her happiness makes me happy.
banterfly Posted July 5 Posted July 5 9 hours ago, HonourableVomit said: maybe because she had something to say instead of just wanting to sell as much as possible That is exactly what being pretentious mean. 1
Raphy23 Posted July 5 Posted July 5 On 3/12/2024 at 11:56 PM, collin said: The date Applause was released. her energy in this is very old gaga
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