makeme Posted January 18 Posted January 18 1 minute ago, swissman said: And I don't think ANY popstar EVER has changed the sound of pop music so utterly to the extent that Janet did with New Jack Swing, essentially creating an entire new genre that didn't otherwise exist and seeing it go immensely mainstream for the next five years with just about everyone from up-and-comers, to established peers to legends taking on that sound. And then she did it again with TVR and Alt rnb. - I was born in 1996 and remember Janet being very famous until 2004. All for you was all over the radio in 2001 and you used to hear classics like Again on the radio. Everything Changed after 2004 nobody talked about her music after that. I never saw her mentioned on music countdowns or anything like that. I only discovered her again when I was a teenager getting into pop music. A lot of the songs sounded familiar like Escepade and Miss you much but I hadn't heard them in so long (pre 2004 on the radio). They did everything in their power to halt her legacy after 2004. I am so happy things turned around for her in the 2010s. 5
makeme Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) - OT: Got til its gone just hit 100m Edited January 18 by makeme 1 1
HardBambi Posted January 18 Author Posted January 18 10 minutes ago, swissman said: Stylistically, Britney is more Janet's son than Madonna's. With Madonna she just shares the blonde sex symbol image. With Janet she received influence in the music specifically, the choreography, and even the silhouette of her clothing (the whole bare midriff+low rise pants thing was VERY Janet before Britney even debuted). Absolutely, think Slave 4 u or even the duet with Madonna, Britney was serving Janet choreo
ReneighIsHere Posted January 18 Posted January 18 well it's true that she is more "local" compared to others on that list but there's a lot of other factors at play.. she hasn't had a big era since the early 2000s, she/her team haven't done anything to promote her discography to the new generations, no collabs/samples with new artists. But this could change easily tbh, all it takes is one of her songs being used in a popular movie/series and going viral on titkok and it would boost her whole discography like it happened to others
UnusualBoy Posted January 18 Posted January 18 The SB hurt her and it seems like she and her label didn't try to get on with times. She has terrible playlisting and she's no longer playing the game to keep up so in that sense she's forgotten or maybe unknown by the new generation.
the good guy_duh Posted January 18 Posted January 18 Local, forgotten, etc. She's the Kylie Minogue of the USA.
Dr. Alexander Posted January 18 Posted January 18 Oh, and since many are so concerned with young white people not knowing Janet. They will in March. 1
Shimenawa Posted January 18 Posted January 18 23 minutes ago, the good guy_duh said: Local, forgotten, etc. She's the Kylie Minogue of the USA. Kylie has bigger streams tho?
greento Posted January 18 Posted January 18 she has no classics that resonated with the younger generation gp. i don't know anyone my age that could name 1 of her songs except myself. i love her music tho but i can see why she isn't doing well on streaming. 1
TipToe Posted January 18 Posted January 18 It has nothing to do with her music quality, that's for sure. She has one of the strongest catalogues out of the female pop singers, bops for days, stunning ballads, interesting and diverse use of music genres, neat concepts etc. 1
eli's_rhythm Posted January 18 Posted January 18 She has done little to nothing to capitalize on the goodwill she's had over the last half decade. She still has a loyal audience of album buyers and tour attendees in the US, and she does absolutely nothing to expand that audience. A savvy pop star with some drive would've been releasing music consistently and keeping her name out there in the social media age, as her peers have. She just doesn't care anymore. All she wants to do is tour to pay her bills and go back home to Eissa. 5
MadOnHer Posted January 18 Posted January 18 3 hours ago, GlamSlam said: Oh dear, starting your post by calling me a weirdo isn't a good look, hon, it just reinforces how it's actually the other way around based on all the crap you've spewed on here about Madonna and her fans. As I said, we don't have any reason to be "pressed", whereas you DO, and your hatred of her (as well as her fans) generally ends up permeating an entire thread. Her fans have been attacking Madonna for decades and you need to get over it. In fact, I'd lay good money on the "100% Janet Queen of Pop" twitter page being your account - considering it amplifies each of your delusional ATRL posts. That user's perpetual bitterness towards Madonna and her fans is very transparent! 1 1
Goaty Posted January 18 Posted January 18 Hopefully TikTok can drum up some interest in her catalog. Younger generations just don’t really know her that well but that could change overnight with the right viral moment 1
Maxxxine Posted January 18 Posted January 18 4 hours ago, GlamSlam said: Why on earth would Madonna stans be "pressed" about someone with lower sales, streaming and touring numbers? and this is coming from someone who actually likes Jan. Because what Janet does has class to it. ….They can’t say the same about their fave. 1 1
Villas Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) she isnt that popular with younger generation but her atrl fans always triy to use her superbowl incindent to justify how she is forgotten now Edited January 18 by Villas
BnPac Posted January 18 Posted January 18 Great music but she’s lazy as hell. She doesn’t put in the work anymore, ‘When the SB thing happened, yes, it was a blow to her reputation in the US but in Europe, we didn’t care, in Asia it was no big deal, same in Africa. But she just sat and did nothing. She could have focused and gone hard on other markets and wait until the US moves on but alas. She had a documentary, a lot of good will lately and yet she did almost nothing with it. She’s just lazy. At least the tour she promised for almost a decade is finally happening. 1 1
KKKIMO92 Posted January 18 Posted January 18 Seeing how Kylie improved her stats over the years, I would say her not doing any effort in streaming era also great hurt her image.
Stallo Posted January 18 Posted January 18 Her music just simply did not stand the popularity test of time. 1
MatiRod Posted January 18 Posted January 18 Kylie above her is shocking. But maybe it's down to having one truly massive iconic global smash (CGYOOMH). Another example: despite debuting around the same time Janet's career lasted WAY longer than Cyndi's, but Cyndi has two massive classics, whereas it seems with Janet it's more spread out among all her hits and she doesn't have one truly dominant mega hit. Madonna seems to be in the same boat but on a bigger scale. So maybe for older acts if they don't have that one mega mega classic everybody knows, it hurts their overall streams a lot.
allforyou Posted January 18 Posted January 18 The way y'all always make this thread Yes her numbers are lower than a lot of her peers for the following reasons: - She was completely absent from the music industry when streaming took off and that severely impacted her performance there; - Her team failed to properly upload her stuff for a very long time (just look at the mess that her youtube channel was until last year); - The blacklist she suffered in the mid 00s made her music not get played on radio and tv and it ended up not crossing over to the next generation which is another reflection of her lower streams. She still has decent numbers though (2 songs over 100M on spotify and is at her best in listeners) and this doesn't take away the huge impact she's had 2
naval23 Posted January 18 Posted January 18 Her YouTube channel is a mess. If you can't handle YouTube can you really expect to be a streaming giant She scored a #1 album 30+ years into her career as a ~50yo woman that made the Billboard year end charts in 2015. So the demand is definitely there. 1
JennyWayne Posted January 18 Posted January 18 Her streams are shockingly low for how big of an artist she used to be. Regardless of how you feel about her, those streaming numbers indicate that for one reason or another, Gen Z just doesn't remember/listen to her music as much as her peers. I mean personally I didn't even know she was a singer until I started following pop culture. I heard of her before, but thought she was only famous for being Michael Jackson's sister a Frankie Grande teas 1 1
Orsay Posted January 18 Posted January 18 Im sure it’s been said in here but the damage that Super Bowl performance did to her career can’t really be overstated. She went from being one of the biggest hit makers of the 90s, continuing into the early 2000s and essentially had her career shutdown overnight after that scandal. Being out of the limelight for so many years really damaged any chance she had to resonate with the younger half of millenials and all Gen zers. I think she also lacks one or two super remembered smash hits to help boost her numbers. It’s easy for the public to forget songs if they get taken out of rotation for years on end 1
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