news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[Gov Hooka]

2 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

These are all platitudes coming from people who have **** all to say whenever it's 100x as many Palestinians per year getting killed by the IDF. You're all hiding behind both-sides-ing and whataboutisms now, but not once have either you nor the people who liked your post said anything about the innocent lives lost as Netanyahu posts videos to his Xitter account, cackling with glee over the bodies of Palestinians getting bombed to pieces in their homes.

Exactly. These folks acting like they have some moral high horse 

[Gov Hooka]

27 minutes ago, TasteOfYourLips said:

Have you heard about something like International Criminal Court in Hague and what's it's taking care of? You're a terrible person.

Funny that same court has NEVER brought any US, French, British etc. political or military figure to trial who are collectively responsible for the most of the post ww2 bloodshed and war atrocities… 

[Mezik]

The sheer amount of "now is not the time to be discussing both sides" is disheartening. I see extremely intelligent people framing the situation as if Israel is peaceful and has never done anything harmful. Even on ATRL I have seen posters outright lie and say the "IDF has never murdered an innocent Palestinian" and that "Israel has been the top provider of AID". Also people saying "Palestine has rejected every single two-state solution proposed" why on earth would they when they get the ****-end of the stick in every single proposal?

 

Nobody deserves to die, and HAMAS is evil. But people saying that the Israeli Government and IDF are the root cause of the events that have transpired /=/ antisemitic.

 

What the IDF is doing now - massacring hospital patients, murdering families in cold blood intentionally, and describing all Palestinians as "animals" is equally as disgusting.  

[airplane]

 

 

[ClashAndBurn]

46 minutes ago, SeeingStars1515 said:

How do you know how I have voiced my opinions about this? I am here defending Jews becuase most people on this forum won't.

I am anti-BB and anti-settlement and anti-pointless IDF violence.

 

I don't think they need keyboard warriors defending them.

 

 

 

They can handle the execution of their genocides just fine.

[Carter]

10 minutes ago, Mezik said:

The sheer amount of "now is not the time to be discussing both sides" is disheartening. I see extremely intelligent people framing the situation as if Israel is peaceful and has never done anything harmful. Even on ATRL I have seen posters outright lie and say the "IDF has never murdered an innocent Palestinian" and that "Israel has been the top provider of AID". Also people saying "Palestine has rejected every single two-state solution proposed" why on earth would they when they get the ****-end of the stick in every single proposal?

 

Nobody deserves to die, and HAMAS is evil. But people saying that the Israeli Government and IDF are the root cause of the events that have transpired /=/ antisemitic.

 

What the IDF is doing now - massacring hospital patients, murdering families in cold blood intentionally, and describing all Palestinians as "animals" is equally as disgusting.  

the israelis got used to dehumanizing palestinians, are we really shocked?

[bunnyeyes]

13 minutes ago, airplane said:

 

 

Heartbreaking. 
 

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"Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas," Netanyahu reportedly said at a 2019 meeting of his Likud party. "This is part of our strategy

- to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank."

 

[CallumDavies]

Both sides have committed acts of unspeakable evil over the years.
 

Hamas is not the same things as Palestine and Palestinians. The state of Israel is not its people. 
 

Both peoples deserve the right to live in safety, and the right to self determine.

 

Hamas are committing horrendous crimes against innocent civilians in Israel. It should be possible to condemn those acts. And to be critical of Israel. Without celebrating the murder of Jews. 

[Poxy]

Do we discuss celebrities deciding to speak about this topic here? 

[Minogue]

Biden just gave the speech of his career omg 

[ZIVERT]

3 minutes ago, Minogue said:

Biden just gave the speech of his career omg 

I like that he kept emphasizing Hamas, and that there can’t be any discrimination against Jews or Muslims.

[poki]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-remarks-hamas-attack-on-israel-2023-10-10/

[poki]

WH National Security Advisor now speaking on the situation. 

 

The US maintains support with Israel. American hostages are a top priority.

[Gov Hooka]

29 minutes ago, CallumDavies said:

Both sides have committed acts of unspeakable evil over the years.
 

Hamas is not the same things as Palestine and Palestinians. The state of Israel is not its people. 
 

Both peoples deserve the right to live in safety, and the right to self determine.

 

Hamas are committing horrendous crimes against innocent civilians in Israel. It should be possible to condemn those acts. And to be critical of Israel. Without celebrating the murder of Jews. 

“Both sides”-ing this issue completely and deliberately ignores the asymmetry of this war. For every 1 Israeli killed, 100 Palestinians are killed and thousands more injured. Getting kind of tired of folks correctly pointing out this fact along with the selective outrage, hypocrisy, and complete refusal to call the Israeli gov/IDF the terrorist org for what it is then disgustingly being branded by zionists and their sympathizers as “celebrating murder of Jews.” Absolute callous assessment and downright disingenuous. Enough 

[Taylor fanboy]

What is this world we live in? What did Palestine do to suffer for so long from Israel?

 

Depressing times are even more depressing. A prayer to all the innocent victims of this violent war.

[Shelter]

Shani Louk’s mother is saying she is alive in hospital with bad head injuries. That video of her was horrible. Surprised that she is still alive. 

[Komet]

Hamas beheading babies That org needs to cease to exist 

[Specter]

Seeing discourse around this has been so frustrating to me for several reasons.

 

I think the biggest one is that the right-wing project of permanently distilling Palestinian Liberation into Hamas has succeeded, and this is frankly heartbreaking. We can add context all day about the historical formation of Hamas, the funding sources of Hamas (spoiler: it's ISRAEL!), and why several moderate factions have had to give way (=/= support, as people so cherish to imply, thereby feeding their little "ALL Palestinians are terrorists" hearts) to Hamas, mostly by virtue of how terrorist groups claim power, and several formal attempts (none of which meaningfully rolled back or wanted to roll back ANY of the damage done to Palestinian border integrity) to peace failing, and so on. But the fact is, that the conflation has succeeded. I see even when you ""celebrate"" the liberation movement, you get framed as a terrorist apologist. The linking of the two is done.

 

This is not even to absolve Hamas of any accountability - I think everyone (?) agrees that murdering civilians, concert-goers (many of whom I would wager also oppose the Zionist state, but I guess we will never know ), beheading infants etc. is...well, horrific?? I think the constant demands from everyone to 24/7 center their condemnation of Hamas - something most people are comfortable, happy, and willing to do from the get-go - multiple, constant times as a preface to every contribution is once again that former right-wing project succeeding. These constant demands also arouse suspicion when they are not lobbied at those who defend the IDF, who also have a record murdering civilians, journalists, and even UN Diplomats.

 

My heart breaks for the Jewish citizens suffering now, and a lot of you need to internalize that there is NOTHING that qualitatively differentiates the suffering of Israeli citizens from that of those in Gaza. The broader point that is being made is that the pain that Israel feels this time is one that Palestine has been feeling for several decades. No, I do not believe the murdering of babies and 20-somethings having a good time at a concert is Israel being "gotten back", and no, Israelis suffering now is not something that actually Palestinians think will "fix" this issue.

 

Refusing to look at the context as to how we got here and just screaming HAMAS till blue in the face - something that I see on the international level, with the Five-Eyes releasing a "joint" statement, and even on a functional level (where I am currently has sent out a giant email condemning social media posts that are "pro"-Palestinian Liberation) - is to continue to perpetuate this cycle of pain, and never actually want to address the material solutions that exist. Whether you like hearing this or not does not matter, but the reason this "keeps happening" as some like to say is because the Zionist project - one aided, abetted, and funded by those very countries that are now sprinting to cut funding (and backtrack?) - is not sustainable, and was NEVER sustainable from the outset. Please see: Rhodesia.

 

Zionism is not and has never been something intrinsic to all Jewish people (and actually claiming such is anti-Semitic), and this again is why it is so frustrating to talk about this. I'm sure someone is going to see this as "ADDING NUANCE TO BEHEADING" or whatever. 

 

The I-P conflict gets framed as this ancient, unfixable mess when in reality it is relatively recent, in a historical sense, and not that complex to fix - it's just that several international monied interests, right-wing groups, politicians and so on have no desire to actually fix it, hoping instead the slow crawl to the atrocity and repeated "upgrading" of the oppressor force will tire everyone out. This is never going to happen.

 

If you are rightfully heartbroken about the loss of civilian life on "both sides" this time round, you will find that one "side" has been losing 1000s of civilians consistently over the years. Constantly redirecting the frame to the one time where this is perhaps not as evenly the case (it will be soon, for I see Israel has begun flattening residential buildings) is neither productive from a broad point of view, and what's more is that this is exactly what the architects and maintainers of the Zionist project want you to keep doing.

 

Hamas cannot be wiped out, much like you can't wipe out Taliban, ISIS, and the likes. Brute force has been tried and tested. Funding them when they're moderate to fuel your myopic goals has been tried and tested, which Americans (should) know all too well. If you still keep gawking at Hamas and don't understand from the rich global history of HOW these terrorist demons keep becoming the threat that they are, then you are, unfortunately, part of the problem.

[ZIVERT]

 

[FOCK]

1 hour ago, Komet blu said:

Hamas beheading babies That org needs to cease to exist 

Source: Trust me bro, IDF generals & the regime openly calling for genocide. 

 

 

 

Meanwhile. 
 

 

[Maddox]

Interesting 

[State of Grace.]

11 minutes ago, FOCK said:

Source: Trust me bro, IDF generals & the regime openly calling for genocide. 

 

 

 

Meanwhile. 
 

 

This is the journalist who claimed that “40 babies were beheaded”. IDF soldiers "believe".

 

 

[Maddox]

Interesting [2]

 

 

[Minogue]

What are y’all trying to claim with those weird conspiracy theories? That all the victims are somewhere dancing in a field? 

[LookinAssHittas]

1 hour ago, Komet blu said:

Hamas beheading babies That org needs to cease to exist 

It’s already been confirmed there have been no beheadings of any babies  please stop with your vile Zionist propaganda.