news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[Minogue]

Just now, Communion said:

You realize this is literally the rhetoric you're saying makes Palestinians genocidal, right?

 

These are the objective facts:

- Israel has committed the majority of violence over the last multiple decades against Palestinians. 

- The number of killed or injured Palestinians outnumber Israeli figures on an average basis of 12x to 20x over the years due to this fact. 

- Non-violent protests by Palestinians have led to attacks by the IDF with deaths in the hundreds from a single event. 

- There is little to any coverage of the daily horrors and deaths that occur for Palestinians. 

 

And yet when peopoe still condemn yet try to add context for why events are worsening, it's "YOU SUPPORT BABY KILLERS."

 

But now that peopoe are outraged and pointing out soon Israeli violence will out-quantify Palestinian violence even for just this week (and the horrors and pain such unfolds for everyone), some of you are literally going "IS ISRAEL NOT MEANT TO WANT TO TAKE 2 LIVES FROM THE VERMIN FOR EVERY 1 LIFE THEY LOST????"

 Israeli and Hamas have caused civilian casualties to each other.

 

 But not all war crimes are the same.

 

Bombing a residential area and cutting babies heads off are two totally different classes of atrocity.

 The former happens in pretty much every urban warfare where combatants and civilians are mixed up together, and an argument could be made that it is unavoidable.

 

 But the latter is a display of sheer barbarity and sadism, absolutely inexcusable.

[Communion]

1 minute ago, Minogue said:

But not all war crimes are the same

OH MY GOD!!!!!!

[ClashAndBurn]

5 minutes ago, Minogue said:

It’s perplexing Hamas did’t see nor care that a country with air and equipment superiority was going to do anything but respond with biblical levels of vengeance.

Hamas knew how Israel would respond. The thing about jihadists is that they are prepared to die and take as many people with them as possible. The revenge campaign the Israelis will exact on the civilians of Gaza (just like America’s War On Terror after 9/11) will be the best recruiting tool they could ask for to draw in a broken and battered population to their cause.

[Mitsouko]

4 minutes ago, Communion said:

"IS ISRAEL NOT MEANT TO WANT TO TAKE 2 LIVES FROM THE VERMIN FOR EVERY 1 LIFE THEY LOST????"

I agreed with everything you said up until this part. I didn't see that in this thread. No one you're talking to has called the Palestinian people vermin.

[Negev]

1 minute ago, Minogue said:

It’s perplexing Hamas did’t see nor care that a country with air and equipment superiority was going to do anything but respond with biblical levels of vengeance.

Their main purpose, was to disrupt the Israeli-Saudi Arabia normalization deal, and to wreck havoc in the region. Israel is an ally of the US, another enemy of Hamas, and the normalization deal was being brokered in part with the US. I think in a larger scale, Iran is worried that their allys are decreasing. The more years go by and more people's have access to information freely there's decreasing popularity for Jihadism

 

Also, Hamas' leadership isn't in Gaza. So they're not bothered by casualties or possible destruction. 

[SkinnyGaga]

2 minutes ago, Communion said:

You realize this is literally the rhetoric you're saying makes Palestinians genocidal, right?

 

These are the objective facts:

- Israel has committed the majority of violence over the last multiple decades against Palestinians. 

- The number of killed or injured Palestinians outnumber Israeli figures on an average basis of 12x to 20x over the years due to this fact. 

- Non-violent protests by Palestinians have led to attacks by the IDF with deaths in the hundreds from a single event. 

- There is little to any coverage of the daily horrors and deaths that occur for Palestinians. 

 

And yet when peopoe still condemn Hamas yet try to add context for why events are worsening, it's "YOU SUPPORT BABY KILLERS."

 

But now that peopoe are outraged and pointing out soon Israeli violence will out-quantify Palestinian violence even for just this week (and the horrors and pain such unfolds for everyone), some of you are literally going "IS ISRAEL NOT MEANT TO WANT TO TAKE 2 LIVES FROM THE VERMIN FOR EVERY 1 LIFE THEY LOST????"

How does any of this answer my question?

 

@Communion After Hamas launched the attack and kidnapped hostages, killing civilians, what is your ideal response from Israel? Honestly? 
 

I genuinely want to know. 

[Kassi]

2 hours ago, Scars said:

Yeah, no. There's a vast difference between expressing the sentiment that more jewish refuges should've been given asylum in the West and saying that maybe things would be better if Israel, an independent etnho-nation, was built on some other land. Words have meaning.

 

Israel can't be only a "10% result of neo-colonialism" because the Zionist movement designed it as a colonial state at it's *core* and presented it to the world as such. The complete disregard to the harm caused on the local population already living there by mass displacement, brutal murder and constant annexation of land, in order to create a state and artificially maintain one ethnic group as the demographic majority is troubling. 

And what, pray tell, would cause Jews to want an independent ethno-state after centuries of attempted assimilation into large populations? Why is it that you continue to beat around the WHY while overstating the importance of the HOW?

 

Please spare the buzzwords. They have no basis in reality. Harping about "displacement" when the current population of the entire Israel + Palestine is north of 15 million. You know what it was in 1948? 2 million. Your insistence of a lack of space, whether it be in Alaska, a state nearly 2.5x the size of Texas...which itself is 25x the size of Israel, or Israel + Palestine, betrays either your lack of imagination or a fundmental misunderstanding of geographical space.

[JustLikeHoney]

23 minutes ago, Maddox said:

Mocking does seem like a smaller offense when we’re dealing with people that want the entirety of Palestinians literally dead 

 

A couple interviewed does not show all Israelis feelings. Just like this person in the NY Palestine rally doesn't speak for all Palestinians.

Edited October 12, 2023 by JustLikeHoney

[Riverbank]

6 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

HOW brutally the babies were killed wasn’t a factor I was arguing against, because any innocent life lost in any way is unforgivable.

Somehow this wasn't the case before today where some of you insisted on the babies being decapitated, besides other specific criteria.

[airplane]

1 hour ago, JustLikeHoney said:

Meanwhile Hamas is still shooting rockets at Israel indiscriminately. Hitting hospitals and supermarkets. This is one sided propaganda. 

 

The “one sided propaganda” in question

 

[Thickorita]

 

 

Love that she's staying on Ursula's neck.

 

[Minogue]

1 minute ago, JustLikeHoney said:

A couple interviewed downtown show everyone's feelings. Just like this person doesn't speak for all Palestinians.

Why is this shocking? Hamas is the modern day Nazi party. They’re even worst as they don’t try to hide their crimes. 

[nooniebao]

 

[ClashAndBurn]

1 minute ago, Riverbank said:

Somehow this wasn't the case before today where some of you insisted on the babies being decapitated, besides other specific criteria.

Somehow I’m not aware that I was repeatedly insisting that the story itself was ever a lie. The only thing I ever claimed was that Joe Biden is an evil liar, which he objectively is. Miss me with that nonsense.

[Communion]

9 minutes ago, Mitsouko said:

I agreed with everything you said up until this part. I didn't see that in this thread. No one you're talking to has called the Palestinian people vermin.

I'm referencing the clip I mentioned pages back of the Israeli official referring to Palestinians and vermin and - as I said on the last page -saying that the winking and nudging about how some types of people's lives matter more than others is not meaningfully different than what the most extremist officials have said. 

 

There is no meaningful difference to be feign offense when an Israeli official uses said language but then people find themselves arguing that most Palestinians have an inherent predisposition to becoming terrorists that makes the deaths happening sad but inherently different than when an Israeli dies. 

Edited October 12, 2023 by Communion

[Mitsouko]

3 minutes ago, Communion said:

I'm referencing this clip I mentioned pages back of the Israeli official referring to Palestinians and vermin and - as I said on the last page -saying that the winking and nudging about how some types of people's lives matter more than others is not meaningfully different than what the most extremist officials have said. 

 

There is no meaningful difference to be feign offense when an Israeli official uses said language but then people find themselves arguing that most Palestinians have an inherent predisposition to becoming terrorists that makes the deaths happening sad but inherently different than when an Israeli dies. 

You said "some of you are literally going 'IS ISRAEL NOT MEANT TO WANT TO TAKE 2 LIVES FROM THE VERMIN FOR EVERY 1 LIFE THEY LOST????'

[Riverbank]

1 minute ago, ClashAndBurn said:

The only thing I ever claimed was that Joe Biden is an evil liar

Elaborate then. Because in his speech he mentioned Jewish babies being decapitated, which was the main thing people here were (and still are) accusing him of lying about.

[airplane]

The zionists in here desperately attempting to change the narrative and labelling everything the state of Israel has been doing for decades on Hamas now is insane. One isolated and barbaric act from Hamas does not and will not change the historic facts of this situation, no matter the amount of gaslighting.

 

 

Edited October 12, 2023 by airplane

[Johnny Jacobs]

55 minutes ago, LookinAssHittas said:

 

@Delirious @Brunette Ambition @Negev @Kassi @besaid @Johnny Jacobs

Sorry i am still trying to locate my loved ones' family and friends. 

 

They are still missing. Probably brutally murdered or taken by terrorists. 

 

I'll get back to you later. 

 

In the meantime, try to expand your "understanding" and pray for ALL the innocent lives that were taken instead of tagging people who are at war and probably at life's risk 

[Negev]

1 minute ago, Minogue said:

Why is this shocking? Hamas is the modern day Nazi party. They’re even worst as they don’t try to hide their crimes. 

I was genuinely shocked by how much incriminating footage of murder they... actively shot. It's a whole different level of depravity to not only do unspeakable things to living people, babies... or even their corpses, but to film it and broadcast it?

 

I've stumbled upon the videos from the rave... I'll never shake this off. Horrifying, and to think it could've been me there. Shot dead in a ditch or beheaded, or worse, at the hands of Hamas. 

 

This is the angle people who've never been here and grew up in the U.S. or Europe will never understand. These countries also have relative issues with minorities, but this is the Jewish homeland and it's been that way for 75 years. Had peace been a possibility don't you think anybody here would want it? Instead of having a genuine discussion some of you treat it like a stan war and who's been hurt more, who's got more generational trauma. This is not the case. 

 

From one horror to another. I feel sad that this is what we've come to. But there is a lot of miseducation and if you're biased towards either side this is not the discussion for you as there are many who read these pages not knowing what to believe. 

[Minogue]

1 minute ago, airplane said:

The zionists in here desperately attempting to change the narrative and labelling everything the state of Israel has been doing for decades on Hamas now is insane. One isolated and barbaric incident from Hamas does not and will not change the historic facts of this situation, no matter the amount of gaslighting.

Y’all trying to make “Zionist” some sort of a bad word or something anyone should be ashamed of when all it means is a person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation. No “Zionist” is actually taking you seriously 

[ClashAndBurn]

4 minutes ago, Riverbank said:

Elaborate then. Because in his speech he mentioned Jewish babies being decapitated, which was the main thing people here were (and still are) accusing him of lying about.

He said he saw evidence and a White House spokesperson said he did not. That is what he was lying about. Keep up.

[JustLikeHoney]

22 minutes ago, airplane said:

 

The “one sided propaganda” in question

 

I guess you don't know the meaning of one sided or propaganda. Obviously a news report is not propaganda but that other "tweet" you published is blatant one sided propaganda. 

 

No one is denying Palestinians are dying. They are dying because Hamas continues to launch rockets after starting a war. 

 

These people died and were kidnapped and raped for no reason. 

 

 

 

Edited October 12, 2023 by JustLikeHoney

[Delirious]

7 minutes ago, Riverbank said:

Elaborate then. Because in his speech he mentioned Jewish babies being decapitated, which was the main thing people here were (and still are) accusing him of lying about.

Biden specifically said he saw pictures of them and turns out he was right after all

 

 

I'm guessing the images were classified at first.

[airplane]

1 minute ago, Minogue said:

Y’all trying to make “Zionist” some sort of a bad word or something anyone should be ashamed of when all it means is a person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation. No “Zionist” is actually taking you seriously 

The development and protection of a jewish nation which actively involves mass murdering innocent palestinian’s, displacing them from their homes, cutting off food, water, electricity, unprovoked attacks on their mosque’s every Ramadan.. the list goes on and on. You are a zionist and support apartheid, you support the establishment of an illegal state which involves the ethnic cleansing and mass murder of Muslims at the expense of that state while simultaneously subjecting them to mass bombing every other day of the year in an open air prison. You want me to bring up the infographics to show you how one sided this entire situation is?  But it wouldn’t matter, you and your fellow zionists actually justify all of this and more as long as the state of Israel keeps expanding.