news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[Virgos Groove]

1 hour ago, Gaia said:

If Israel was committing their acts of terror now WITHOUT the October 7th attack, it would be a completely different story around the world.

Some of you hadn't been paying attention of Palestine before October 7th (except for like two weeks in 2021) and it shows.

 

Israel has been commiting war crimes in Palestine for DECADES now. With or without being "teased", before and after Hamas existing, with or without Netanyahu in power. It is their modus operandi.

 

To add to all the events @Communion posted, let me add that Israeli settlers were attacking one of Palestine's most important mosques three days before 10/7. Not three years, not three months... three DAYS.

Edited November 6, 2023 by Virgos Groove

[Both Sides Now]

Weeks later and the homosexual who entered this thread saying “I struggle to care about Palestinian children dying because they don’t have a gay pride parade in Gaza. What’s in it for me to care?” is still offering unsolicited and uneducated takes on this massacre 

[Virgos Groove]

 

Finished this today on the train, and I'd say this is an obligatory read to anyone who wants to understand the conflict from a Palestinian perspective. Fantastic book.

 

Another one I'm curious about is Ilan Pappé's 'Ten Myths About Israel'. If anyone here has read it, what did you think?

[Cloröx]

ISISrael broke at least 62 international laws, probably the most since Nazi era yet some ATRLers are still sugarcoating their action. You guys in coma or what before Oct 7?

[Cleanromantic]

Graphic

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzTHfaMqPus/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

[Sweet Sexy Savage]

Every time that user posts, it’s brain cell shortage. 

[Armani?]

Not Aipac using Bernie, what timeline is this?

 

[State of Grace.]

I think one of the most bizarre things to me about that user is the fact that they're not even white. You would think someone with his racial background would understand that appealing to the conscience of the oppressor never works and that the whole "responding to violence with violence is bad uwu" is pure bullshit. Like...Civil Rights Movement? Hello? I'm not about to give history lessons  I actually really don't give a single **** if you think I'm a "terrorist", but history has shown us several times that oppressors/occupiers do not "peacefully" leave people and their lands. Nobody likes to see blood being shed, but decolonization always comes with horrific violence. You don't like that? Either don't colonize in the first place or maybe hand people their lands and rights back. Settlers can wake up tomorrow and be like "You know what? We're actually sorry for stealing your lands and treating you as subhuman. We just want to live here with you with the exact same human rights and no privileges or laws of ethnic supremacy." But that **** only happens in fictional movies/books.

Black people fought, struggled, and violently resisted Jim Crow laws and South African Apartheid.

Jewish people violently resisted the Nazi regime in Warsaw.

Irish people violently resisted British rule.

Algerians violently resisted the French colonization.

Ukraine is violently resisting and fighting back.

etc. etc. etc.

 

Do they not deserve our support and sympathy? Would you have stood and told them "hmm maybe you should try protesting peacefully" with a full chest?

 

No matter what Palestinians do, there will always be people like him who claim that they're against the illegal occupation and support a #FreePalestine, but still stand in the way of their liberation because...they don't like the way they're resisting. Anyway, I'm pretty sure this thread has been posted here before but I'll leave it again as a reminder for anyone still asking this question.

 

 

[Cloröx]

We need more countries to join 

 

[Cloröx]

 

 

 

[monologueNacafe]

1 hour ago, Virgos Groove said:

 

Finished this today on the train, and I'd say this is an obligatory read to anyone who wants to understand the conflict from a Palestinian perspective. Fantastic book.

 

Another one I'm curious about is Ilan Pappé's 'Ten Myths About Israel'. If anyone here has read it, what did you think?

Thanks!

[DAP]

3 hours ago, Gaia said:

There's this weird mentality in this thread that "Oh you killed my mom, dad, brother and sister. So I killed your mom in return - but I'm not a murderer/bad guy because I only killed one person in your family as retaliation to you killing 4 of mine."

This is pretty bad even for you. 

 

 

[airplane]

That one biden stan(📦 )has been awfully quiet for a while . What happened?

 

Also:

 

[ClashAndBurn]

4 hours ago, Gaia said:

1. Being a bad guy in response to a bad guy does not make you a good guy. It just means - now there's two bad guys. There is not justification for killing thousands of civilians especially during a holiday where people are knowingly having their guards down. And don't let anyone anywhere force you to be a Hamas sympathizer. I didn't know there was a formula online on how many civilian lives were acceptable, apparently Hamas hasn't hit that amount yet with the amount of defending they get from people in this thread.

 

There's this weird mentality in this thread that "Oh you killed my mom, dad, brother and sister. So I killed your mom in return - but I'm not a murderer/bad guy because I only killed one person in your family as retaliation to you killing 4 of mine."

 

Yeah, in the death count - you're still winning I guess. But you don't get to call yourself a good guy anymore. Because now you're also a murderer all the same. Once Hamas began to go for civilians due to the actions of the IDF, they lowered themselves to the same tier as IDF and gave IDF all the "justification" they needed to stage an all out war.

To make this easy to understand, as a cultural example: the Rebellion in Star Wars are unambiguously portrayed as "the good guys" even though they killed many civilians in their attack on the Death Star. Not at any one point has the morality of this act ever been questioned by any serious actor in-universe or film critic IRL.

 

You can just say you want the Palestinians to lie down and take whatever beatings and stabbings and lacerations and explosions the Israelis deem fit to offer them. Just say that their lives are not worth anything. Because that's clearly what Joe Biden and Antony Blinken and Bernie Sanders feel as well, so you'd be in fantastic company.

[loliza]

 

 

[LookinAssHittas]

5 hours ago, Gaia said:

I will never understand Hamas sympathizers because Hamas did, factually, enable Israel to "justify" going to all out war with Palestine - the opposite of the supposed goal of the "resistance group"

 

There's 3 issues I have with the logic of people in this thread:

 

1. Being a bad guy in response to a bad guy does not make you a good guy. It just means - now there's two bad guys. There is not justification for killing thousands of civilians especially during a holiday where people are knowingly having their guards down. And don't let anyone anywhere force you to be a Hamas sympathizer. I didn't know there was a formula online on how many civilian lives were acceptable, apparently Hamas hasn't hit that amount yet with the amount of defending they get from people in this thread.

 

There's this weird mentality in this thread that "Oh you killed my mom, dad, brother and sister. So I killed your mom in return - but I'm not a murderer/bad guy because I only killed one person in your family as retaliation to you killing 4 of mine."

 

Yeah, in the death count - you're still winning I guess. But you don't get to call yourself a good guy anymore. Because now you're also a murderer all the same. Once Hamas began to go for civilians due to the actions of the IDF, they lowered themselves to the same tier as IDF and gave IDF all the "justification" they needed to stage an all out war.

 

2. Defending Hamas isn't separating Palestinians from Hamas. It would be easier to call for aid of Palestinians if there was a separation of the two entities - the terrorist resistance group and the population of civilians who aren't apart of their terrorist attacks. But the fact that some on the pro-Palestinian side are hellbent on defending and justifying Hamas, humanizing their horrific brutalities as "resisting" just gives the impression that you believe Hamas is doing right by Palestinians and are Palestinians resisting Israel. So by continuing to keep the association of Palestinians = Hamas, Israel continues to feel justified just killing everyone because everyone = Hamas. "We need to get rid of all Palestinians to get rid of Hamas" and you're feeding into it.

 

3. "Hamas isn't responsible for October 7th, Israel is with their decades of oppression and occupation" is such a weird thing to say. Hamas is responsible for the October 7th attack as the party who committed the act. That attack gave Israel the "savages" image they've been thirsting for to have an all our war with Hamas and expel Palestinians from Israel. If Hamas did not do the October 7th that attack, we factually would not be where we are today. That's not to say Israel wouldn't have continued their occupation, but they wouldn't have felt they had the right to flatten Gaza with the world watching if there wasn't a catalyst. October 7th was the catalyst. If Israel was committing their acts of terror now WITHOUT the October 7th attack, it would be a completely different story around the world. There would be no one on Israel's side, no one could possibly even think to defend them, and Israel wouldn't have been able to justify their attacks in any way because you can't paint someone as a bad guy who hasn't committed any atrocious acts. 

 

Morale of the story: October 7th made Hamas just as bad as IDF. Killing hoards of innocent civilians lowered them to IDFs level and thus, IDF now had their justification for staging an all out war. Because it's hard to paint yourself as a "victim" when you just murdered near 1,500 people. Hamas did NOTHING for the Palestinian people. The october 7th attack only made the conflict worse and now any hardcore zionists in the IDF feel justified in their murdering of Palestinians. 

 

If the actions of a "resistance group" caused the caused oppressor to retaliate and kill the population of the group the "resistance group" is supposed to be protecting/defending, then that group is not actually working in the best interest of the public. Downvote me into oblivion if you want, defending Hamas is ******* dumb as ****.

@Bloo Hi Bloo, please thread ban this idiot. Their takes have been absolutely horrible. This is the same person who said in this thread several weeks ago that he finds it hard to sympathize with the Palestinians because they’re homophobic. 

[DAP]

Are these the rockets I was told could blow up a hospital? Huh

 

[wanderingsoot]

6 hours ago, Gaia said:

I will never understand Hamas sympathizers because Hamas did, factually, enable Israel to "justify" going to all out war with Palestine - the opposite of the supposed goal of the "resistance group"

 

There's 3 issues I have with the logic of people in this thread:

 

1. Being a bad guy in response to a bad guy does not make you a good guy. It just means - now there's two bad guys. There is not justification for killing thousands of civilians especially during a holiday where people are knowingly having their guards down. And don't let anyone anywhere force you to be a Hamas sympathizer. I didn't know there was a formula online on how many civilian lives were acceptable, apparently Hamas hasn't hit that amount yet with the amount of defending they get from people in this thread.

 

There's this weird mentality in this thread that "Oh you killed my mom, dad, brother and sister. So I killed your mom in return - but I'm not a murderer/bad guy because I only killed one person in your family as retaliation to you killing 4 of mine."

 

Yeah, in the death count - you're still winning I guess. But you don't get to call yourself a good guy anymore. Because now you're also a murderer all the same. Once Hamas began to go for civilians due to the actions of the IDF, they lowered themselves to the same tier as IDF and gave IDF all the "justification" they needed to stage an all out war.

 

2. Defending Hamas isn't separating Palestinians from Hamas. It would be easier to call for aid of Palestinians if there was a separation of the two entities - the terrorist resistance group and the population of civilians who aren't apart of their terrorist attacks. But the fact that some on the pro-Palestinian side are hellbent on defending and justifying Hamas, humanizing their horrific brutalities as "resisting" just gives the impression that you believe Hamas is doing right by Palestinians and are Palestinians resisting Israel. So by continuing to keep the association of Palestinians = Hamas, Israel continues to feel justified just killing everyone because everyone = Hamas. "We need to get rid of all Palestinians to get rid of Hamas" and you're feeding into it.

 

3. "Hamas isn't responsible for October 7th, Israel is with their decades of oppression and occupation" is such a weird thing to say. Hamas is responsible for the October 7th attack as the party who committed the act. That attack gave Israel the "savages" image they've been thirsting for to have an all our war with Hamas and expel Palestinians from Israel. If Hamas did not do the October 7th that attack, we factually would not be where we are today. That's not to say Israel wouldn't have continued their occupation, but they wouldn't have felt they had the right to flatten Gaza with the world watching if there wasn't a catalyst. October 7th was the catalyst. If Israel was committing their acts of terror now WITHOUT the October 7th attack, it would be a completely different story around the world. There would be no one on Israel's side, no one could possibly even think to defend them, and Israel wouldn't have been able to justify their attacks in any way because you can't paint someone as a bad guy who hasn't committed any atrocious acts. 

 

Morale of the story: October 7th made Hamas just as bad as IDF. Killing hoards of innocent civilians lowered them to IDFs level and thus, IDF now had their justification for staging an all out war. Because it's hard to paint yourself as a "victim" when you just murdered near 1,500 people. Hamas did NOTHING for the Palestinian people. The october 7th attack only made the conflict worse and now any hardcore zionists in the IDF feel justified in their murdering of Palestinians. 

 

If the actions of a "resistance group" caused the caused oppressor to retaliate and kill the population of the group the "resistance group" is supposed to be protecting/defending, then that group is not actually working in the best interest of the public. Downvote me into oblivion if you want, defending Hamas is ******* dumb as ****.

@Ryan please threadban this idiot

[FlyPirate]

 

[Scars]

7 hours ago, Gaia said:

If Israel was committing their acts of terror now WITHOUT the October 7th attack, it would be a completely different story around the world. There would be no one on Israel's side, no one could possibly even think to defend them, and Israel wouldn't have been able to justify their attacks in any way because you can't paint someone as a bad guy who hasn't committed any atrocious acts. 

You briefly mentioned the decades-long oppression inflicted by the Israel regime, almost like a footnote, but then proceeded to completely ignore the historical dynamics between Israel-Palestine in the next sentence. 

 

• Palestinians have been brutally killed and displaced long before the existence of HAMAS. In fact, their rise was financially supported by Israel as an attempt to weaken Fatah. 
• Palestinian resistance have tried a peaceful route before. Secular armed forces were fundamentally open to negotiations and HAMAS themselves were open to a two-state solution during the last decade. None of that worked.
• No, the Israeli individuals taken as political hostages by HAMAS aren't a part of an unique incident that happened in a vacuum. Israel has also historically captured Palestinian civilians as political hostages long before October 7th. Ahed Tamimi, a Palestinian activist, was literally arrested by the IDF today.

 

Taking all of that into account, did people "possibly think of defending Israel" before? Well, the asnwer is yes. Are you going to somehow shout about Hamas being the "bad guys" in relation to other massacres previously commited by Israel too? 

 

The corny 'holier than thou' tone towards people downvoting you doesn’t change the fact that your posts are ahistorical and reads like trolling.

Edited November 6, 2023 by Scars

[ICLDXU4HS]

3 hours ago, loliza said:

 

 

The irony about this being that their newspaper caters to actual Nazis.

[DAP]

Activists block another weapons shipment to Israel in Tacoma. Amazing work being done 

 

 

[VOSS]

 

[LVP]

I am starting to notice a switch in media in my country. They are starting to admit that it is hard to defend Israel’s actions after they went kinda silent for past two weeks

[airplane]

 

I’m freaking out and i can’t imagine the situation of patients in there… 😭