charts discussion Final predictions (12/16): Brenda #1, 14pts lead over Mariah

[stevyy]

5 minutes ago, Virtual_Insanity said:

These lies when Mariah's current playlist reach is 30 million more than Brendas. 

 

Your hypocrisy is so evident - you had no problem when Mariah was getting all the support. If her song was as "organic" as you claim she would still be ahead in the US. If anything this shows she is as dependent on playlisting as anyone. 

Infamous reply. 

 

I don't deserve to be yelled at like that from someone who is currently banned from that other forum for bashing Mariah. <3

Edited December 3, 2023 by stevyy

[stevyy]

1 minute ago, Virtual_Insanity said:

Again, this thread is about the hot 100. 

Spotify:

#1 - Brenda

#2 - Mariah

 

AM:

#1 - Mariah

#7 - Brenda

 

YT: 

#1 - Mariah

#13 - Brenda

 

Itunes:

#6 - Mariah

#8 - Brenda

 

Deezer:

#65 - Mariah

did not chart - Brenda

 

 

leading per platform:

4x - Mariah

1x - Brenda

 

lol. enjoy your song, honey. u deserve it.

[suburbannature]

Just now, Virtual_Insanity said:

These lies when Mariah's current playlist reach is 30 million more than Brendas. 

 

Your hypocrisy is so evident - you had no problem when Mariah was getting all the support. If her song was as "organic" as you claim she would still be ahead in the US. If anything this shows she is as dependent on playlisting as anyone. 

Mariah is added to more user-created playlist because she’s exponentially bigger globally.

 

He is correct about the popular curated playlists. Mariah was entirely taken off of “Christmas is Coming” (1 mil likes) for the entire tracking week then added back at #8 yesterday. Mariah was also demoted on Christmas Hits which even caters to a global audience. And of course Brenda benefits greatly from the Christmas Classics playlist that Mariah is excluded from (they curiously have made the criteria for songs through 50s-80s but changed that again this week to allow more decades).

 

Some think it could be related to Mariah’s Apple Music movie deal but that’s just speculation. 

[suburbannature]

5 minutes ago, Virtual_Insanity said:

Again, this thread is about the hot 100. 

Clearly, but the post I was replying to insinuated that my avatar derived solely from the song’s anticipated hot 100 trajectory. 

[Virtual_Insanity]

2 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

Mariah is added to more user-created playlist because she’s exponentially bigger globally.

 

He is correct about the popular curated playlists. Mariah was entirely taken off of “Christmas is Coming” (1 mil likes) for the entire tracking week then added back at #8 yesterday. Mariah was also demoted on Christmas Hits which even caters to a global audience. And of course Brenda benefits greatly from the Christmas Classics playlist that Mariah is excluded from (they curiously have made the criteria for songs through 50s-80s but changed that again this week to allow more decades).

 

Some think it could be related to Mariah’s Apple Music movie deal but that’s just speculation. 

So basically you just confirmed that Mariah's dominance in the US has been tied to her placement on playlists and without that support, she can easily be surpassed. 

[Virtual_Insanity]

1 minute ago, suburbannature said:

Clearly, but the post I was replying to insinuated that my avatar derived solely from the song’s anticipated hot 100 trajectory. 

We both know the official charts are the ones that count. No one really cares about those component things. 

[tjspy]

Loving On Me is FIGHTHING  The almost 70 points gap to the #2 non-Xmas song.

 

And why is Snooze outstreaming CS and PTTR? 

Edited December 3, 2023 by tjspy

[stevyy]

1 minute ago, Virtual_Insanity said:

So basically you just confirmed that Mariah's dominance in the US has been tied to her placement on playlists and without that support, she can easily be surpassed. 

nope, not what anyone is saying. 

[suburbannature]

Just now, Virtual_Insanity said:

So basically you just confirmed that Mariah's dominance in the US has been tied to her placement on playlists and without that support, she can easily be surpassed. 

If you lack critical thinking and can’t read above a third grade level then I’d see where you could think that. 
 

AIWFCIY dominated both the recurrent chart starting in the mid-2000s and the Holiday Chart (created five years before the streaming era).

[Virtual_Insanity]

3 minutes ago, stevyy said:

nope, not what anyone is saying. 

Really ? Because it seems you are very focused on playlisting and blaming that solely for the reason Brenda has likely surpassed. Lambs love to trot out the word sabotage when the reality is Rockin around the christmas tree is simply bigger in the US while Mariah is more dominant globally. 

[45seconds]

20 minutes ago, stevyy said:

Spotify demoted AIW from all curated playlists and put Brenda at #1... even on those reflecting global appeal.

 

The biggest Christmas song on the platform, AIW, is not the #1 song on any of those big playlists (anymore). 

 

In short: Playlist payola got Brenda where she is. Mariah's song is organic. 

 

 

This is not true. Brenda has been closing in on Mariah for years. To try and claim Mariah is organic (with all the cheesy option) is laughable. If anything this proves how inorganic it is. Being removed as the number 1 song on Spotify for Christmas causes her to crater shows that she needed that playlisting. 

[FightDragonsWithMe]

Let's go Brenda 

[fridayteenage]

8 minutes ago, tjspy said:

Loving On Me is FIGHTHING  The almost 70 points gap to the #2 non-Xmas song.

 

And why is Snooze outstreaming CS and PTTR? 

maybe apple being not quite as xmas obsessed

 

atm: 7/top 20 apple are xmas songs

14/top 20 spotify are xmas songs

 

Edited December 3, 2023 by fridayteenage

[suburbannature]

Just now, 45seconds said:

This is not true. Brenda has been closing in on Mariah for years. To try and claim Mariah is organic (with all the cheesy option) is laughable. If anything this proves how inorganic it is. Being removed as the number 1 song on Spotify for Christmas causes her to crater shows that she needed that playlisting. 

Mariah’s organic rise is indisputable. She went 15 years without acknowledging the song outside of random tour performances and it still was the top performing holiday song. 

 

You all sound absolutely delusional trying to erase history. Brenda having a well-deserved year at #1 in the US changes nothing about AIWFCIY’s 30-year US and global accomplishments and rise to classic status. 

[spree]

I don't get why Pandora is always left out of the conversation, but Deezer is included? 

[Virtual_Insanity]

4 minutes ago, 45seconds said:

This is not true. Brenda has been closing in on Mariah for years. To try and claim Mariah is organic (with all the cheesy option) is laughable. If anything this proves how inorganic it is. Being removed as the number 1 song on Spotify for Christmas causes her to crater shows that she needed that playlisting. 

Yup yup. 

[Virtual_Insanity]

2 minutes ago, spree said:

I don't get why Pandora is always left out of the conversation, but Deezer is included? 

I believe Brenda is dominating on Pandora too. 

[suburbannature]

9 minutes ago, Virtual_Insanity said:

Really ? Because it seems you are very focused on playlisting and blaming that solely for the reason Brenda has likely surpassed. Lambs love to trot out the word sabotage when the reality is Rockin around the christmas tree is simply bigger in the US while Mariah is more dominant globally. 

And yet Mariah spent 29 years being bigger in the US, why? Brenda did not pass Mariah on a single Billboard chart (including recurrent and the holiday charts) since AIWFCIY’s inception until now.

AIWFCIY also beats it on every streaming platform, in radio, in sales EXCEPT Spotify and Pandora. 
 

 

Edited December 3, 2023 by suburbannature

[selena_lavigne]

Edited December 3, 2023 by selena_lavigne

[tjspy]

3 minutes ago, spree said:

I don't get why Pandora is always left out of the conversation, but Deezer is included? 

I guess Pandora is local and Deezer is global. 

[45seconds]

42 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

That is true. She’s been knocking at the door.

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People forget Mariah had been #1 for holiday songs 20 years ago before anyone promo’d or acknowledged these songs and they were unable to chart. She topped the recurrent chart from 2005-2008. The song would have been eligible for at least top three on the Hot 100 if allowed to chart in 2005.

 

Brenda deserves this accolade and it’s many years coming, but it’s sad to watch users use this to degrade what AIWFCIY has done for decades. That doesn’t suddenly go away because another Xmas song gets a chance at being #1.

It still doesn’t matter. A lot of songs would have been monster hot 100 smashes if they’d have been allowed to chart before rule changes.

 

What people find especially funny is how complacent Mariah and her fans got when it came to Christmas. Trying to trademark Queen of Christmas kind of solidified that. So a bit of humble pie was due. 

[Virtual_Insanity]

2 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

And yet Mariah spent 29 years being bigger in the US, why? Brenda did not pass Mariah on a single Billboard chart (including recurrent and the holiday charts) since AIWFCIY’s inception until now.

 

Brenda pushed the song this year. Simple. She didn't fo a single thing prior to this year. Prior to this year the only artist who has actively promoted her Christmas material has been Mariah. 

[suburbannature]

Just now, 45seconds said:

It still doesn’t matter. A lot of songs would have been monster hot 100 smashes if they’d have been allowed to chart before rule changes.

 

What people find especially funny is how complacent Mariah and her fans got when it came to Christmas. Trying to trademark Queen of Christmas kind of solidified that. So a bit of humble pie was due. 

That has nothing to do with your original, incorrect claim about the song’s trajectory. 

[45seconds]

1 minute ago, suburbannature said:

That has nothing to do with your original, incorrect claim about the song’s trajectory. 

You’re in here fighting for your life 

 

Mariah Carey is the only person promoting her Christmas jingle. And now that an old lady releases like the most basic promo she’s defeated. Like that should tell you how negligent her dominance over Christmas was. And now it’s over. 

Edited December 3, 2023 by 45seconds

[suburbannature]

Just now, Virtual_Insanity said:

Brenda pushed the song this year. Simple. She didn't fo a single thing prior to this year. Prior to this year the only artist who has actively promoted her Christmas material has been Mariah. 

Neither one was acknowledging the song when AIWFCIY was dominating recurrent each year in the 2000s.

 

Brenda pushed the song this year and it only surpassed on Spotify and Pandora where Mariah had to be excluded from playlists. Mariah still leads on every other platform, in sales, and in radio. Your attempt to relegate Mariah’s US success to playlisting is just plain delusion and inconsistent with its chart history.