charts discussion Final predictions (12/16): Brenda #1, 14pts lead over Mariah

[tomo]

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AIWFCIY DIDN'T GO #1! BRENDA IS BETTER THAN HER! #UWontUseMyMind I write for the music not the charts! - Mariah Carey

[Mean Trees]

17 minutes ago, Virtual_Insanity said:

Very true. Seeing as Brenda was THE main girl in the 60's. She was like fourth on the artist list for that decade and top female. The organic resurgence of Rockin Around the Christmas Tree has been amazing to witness. And all it took was a little promo for her to become the dominant factor in the US. 

Brenda It's truly is amazing to watch. The fact she's an older lady now and without all the media attention getting some shine is amazing.

 

No doubt Mariah is one of the top artists of all time but the lambs need to stop the insecurity. I was watching a musician react to Minnie Riperton's vocals and Mariah's stans were all over the comments bring up Mariah despite her name not being mentioned. This is someone who died over 40 years ago for goodness sakes and career didn't even overlap Mariah's. It's stupid.

 

 

[Kasix]

Not a Mariah Stan waiting a whole year for this moment, even used that Mariah gif for thumbnail, all for Mariah to (probably) not get #1 this year 

Edited December 3, 2023 by Kasix

[Sergi91]

The world is healing 

[Mariah4life]

Brenda K Starr

Brenda Lee

 

 

[PoisonPill]

5 hours ago, Vespertine said:

If this is all true + actually responsible for the widening gap, it just proves that Christmas music should be separated from the Hot 100   Incredibly passive consumption.

 

People complain about album bombs so much, but at least people are actively seeking out those new albums during release week and causing the album tracks to chart. 

But how does billboard define holiday music? If the lyrics contain the word Christmas? If it has production elements of Christmas music? If it re-charts every year in December?

[Vespertine]

58 minutes ago, Virtual_Insanity said:

Except Passive consumption has been responsible for ALL christmas music resurging. Suddenly its only a problem now when Mariah has been bested by another artist. When she was getting all the support, it was a non issue. Hypocrisy at it's finest. 

Girl as if I’m a Mariah stan  I’ve been complaining about all Christmas music since BB started allowing this to happen. 

[Vespertine]

22 minutes ago, PoisonPill said:

But how does billboard define holiday music? If the lyrics contain the word Christmas? If it has production elements of Christmas music? If it re-charts every year in December?

You’re right, it’s obviously just too confusing. That’s why Madonna’s “Holiday” accidentally re-charts every December too! 

[Steve Johnson]

7 minutes ago, Vespertine said:

Girl as if I’m a Mariah stan  I’ve been complaining about all Christmas music since BB started allowing this to happen. 

Christmas songs are the most consumed songs across every format around this time of a year and charts reflect that. I don’t see what’s wrong with that? 

[Lamb]

I'm here for Brenda to defeat my fave so she can finally go back and create new music 

[Vespertine]

8 minutes ago, Steve Johnson said:

Christmas songs are the most consumed songs across every format around this time of a year and charts reflect that. I don’t see what’s wrong with that? 

Because of what I quoted. If changing the #1 song on the Hot 100 is as simple as adding or removing Mariah and Brenda from different playlists, these chart runs are fraudulent. More fraudulent than any Taylor or BTS or Nicki or Drake discounted #1 remix, because at least their fans are purposely consuming a specific song. 

 

Regular songs can be top 10 on TTH for weeks and still not become hits  It’s clear that these Christmas playlists are being spammed across America to passive listeners in a way that should make them weighted the same as radio, not as on-demand streaming. 

[Steve Johnson]

1 minute ago, Vespertine said:

Because of what I quoted. If changing the #1 song on the Hot 100 is as simple as adding or removing Mariah and Brenda from different playlists, these chart runs are fraudulent. 

 

Regular songs can be top 10 on TTH for weeks and still not become hits  It’s clear that these Christmas playlists are being spammed across America to passive listeners in a way that should make them weighted the same as radio, not as on-demand streaming. 

And people are still listening to those playlists. And Brenda was always going to be #1 at some point, if not this week then next week. 

[Virtual_Insanity]

Forbes picking up on this too ! 

 

 

[Virtual_Insanity]

10 minutes ago, Vespertine said:

Because of what I quoted. If changing the #1 song on the Hot 100 is as simple as adding or removing Mariah and Brenda from different playlists, these chart runs are fraudulent. More fraudulent than any Taylor or BTS or Nicki or Drake discounted #1 remix, because at least their fans are purposely consuming a specific song. 

 

Regular songs can be top 10 on TTH for weeks and still not become hits  It’s clear that these Christmas playlists are being spammed across America to passive listeners in a way that should make them weighted the same as radio, not as on-demand streaming. 

That literally prob holds true for every single no 1. 

[IBeMe]

I want the Xmas songs on the Hot 100.  It does track what is actually being consumed BUT I do think maybe the Hot 100 can make certain rules for xmas music like 3 streams equals one stream. Something like that to make it harder to chart super high and also because its true that a lot of the streaming numbers is coming from stores and holiday playlists for retail spaces and stuff. 

Edited December 3, 2023 by IBeMe

[Arrows]

The hot 100 should be the most consumed songs in the US, whatever that means. All rules preventing that is annoying, i don’t care if means that the charts get more boring. Objective stats are always more interesting.

[Steve Johnson]

2 minutes ago, Arrows said:

The hot 100 should be the most consumed songs in the US, whatever that means. All rules preventing that is annoying, i don’t care if means that the charts get more boring. Objective stats are always more interesting.

I agree and radio is preventing that. That’s why you get 50+ weeks charting songs more frequently these days. And the charts will get more interesting in my opinion. 

[suburbannature]

19 minutes ago, Steve Johnson said:

And people are still listening to those playlists. And Brenda was always going to be #1 at some point, if not this week then next week. 

That is true. She’s been knocking at the door.

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People forget Mariah had been #1 for holiday songs 20 years ago before anyone promo’d or acknowledged these songs and they were unable to chart. She topped the recurrent chart from 2005-2008. The song would have been eligible for at least top three on the Hot 100 if allowed to chart in 2005.

 

Brenda deserves this accolade and it’s many years coming, but it’s sad to watch users use this to degrade what AIWFCIY has done for decades. That doesn’t suddenly go away because another Xmas song gets a chance at being #1.

[Arrows]

1 minute ago, Steve Johnson said:

I agree and radio is preventing that. That’s why you get 50+ weeks charting songs more frequently these days. And the charts will get more interesting in my opinion. 

Radio is still a form of consumption, though

[Steve Johnson]

5 minutes ago, Arrows said:

Radio is still a form of consumption, though

Then we’ll always have few weeks of messy updates. And tbh I don’t have much complaint about radio. But those who strictly like consumption chart, go check streaming charts. 

[Steve Johnson]

both ladies got their #1. Now Celebrate Christmas. 

[stevyy]

8 hours ago, OnlyManInTheWorld said:

How is it possible when Mariah has been giving her all for weeks 

Spotify demoted AIW from all curated playlists and put Brenda at #1... even on those reflecting global appeal.

 

The biggest Christmas song on the platform, AIW, is not the #1 song on any of those big playlists (anymore). 

 

In short: Playlist payola got Brenda where she is. Mariah's song is organic. 

 

 

[suburbannature]

1 hour ago, Kasix said:

Not a Mariah Stan waiting a whole year for this moment, even used that Mariah gif for thumbnail, all for Mariah to (probably) not get #1 this year 

What’s the #1 song right now on Spotify, Apple Music, and YouTube? Quick. 

Some of us genuinely enjoy the Xmas season. 

 

[Virtual_Insanity]

4 minutes ago, stevyy said:

Spotify demoted AIW from all curated playlists and put Brenda at #1... even on those reflecting global appeal.

 

The biggest Christmas song on the platform, AIW, is not the #1 song on any of those big playlists (anymore). 

 

In short: Playlist payola got Brenda where she is. Mariah's song is organic. 

 

 

These lies when Mariah's current playlist reach is 30 million more than Brendas. 

 

Your hypocrisy is so evident - you had no problem when Mariah was getting all the support. If her song was as "organic" as you claim she would still be ahead in the US. If anything this shows she is as dependent on playlisting as anyone. 

[Virtual_Insanity]

Just now, suburbannature said:

What’s the #1 song right now on Spotify, Apple Music, and YouTube? Quick. 

Some of us genuinely enjoy the Xmas season. 

 

Again, this thread is about the hot 100.