base talk Smallest MPG peaks?

[Bears01]

2 hours ago, Gayoncé said:

Lmao. All Rihanna had was quick lil singles. Her albums are forgotten and full of fillers nobody wants to listen to.

 

You’re embarrassing. As a Beyonce fan, I’d argue Rihanna actually had a bigger peak than Beyonce, if not equal at least 

 

1 hour ago, unclefloprry said:

ww probably Beyonce.
tbh globally she never felt as big as I see she is in the US. Even IASF, which is her most global era, was not as big as the peak of the other MPGs. 

Pink too, it really surprises me that she's performing in stadiums in Europe and the Anglosphere, considering that her stats are mid. 

 

IASF sold over 50 million records WW. That’s objectively a smash era 

[byzantium]

1 hour ago, Mordecai said:

Yeah she didn't have a 'peak'

So you agree with me.

 

1 hour ago, Mordecai said:

Rihanna was serving hit after hit after hit nonstop for years was not being overshadowed by those names. Umbrella, We Found Love, Stay and Diamonds were all massive hits and inescapable when they were released, and she's got at least another 5-10 hits to her name

No one is denying she had hits.  However a lot of people were getting hits.  (See Katy, Bruno, Gaga etc)  and that is my point.  She was one of the many pop stars, but not undeniably the biggest. 
 

1 hour ago, Mordecai said:

Also, what is it with people inflating Taylor's success pre-1989? Probably a different story in the US but WW she was not on the level of Gaga/Katy/Rih/Adele

Fearless remains one of the bestselling albums globally in the digital era.  It outsold any Rihanna album.  Red outsold Loud and even Speak Now and Debut sold about the same as Loud.  There is nothing to “inflate”. Just facts (that will surely be hard for some to take nevertheless) 

[FENTY.]

How can yall say LOUD was a smaller peak when it was literally outselling Teenage Dream in 2010/11 until Katy outsold it 2 years later with the re-release and Rihanna ended that era in less than a year… to release the biggest female billboard hit of the decade that SAME year. Not to mention bigger tour etc 

 

2011 Rihanna was MASSIVE

 

 

 

 

[Støned]

P!nk

 

She was a consistent 2000s MPG, but never had the peak of her peers , Britney, Christina, and Beyonce, Alicia

[dumbsparce]

Too many xamples to choose from

Edited November 16, 2023 by dumbsparce

[Maxxie]

2 hours ago, Gayoncé said:

Lmao. All Rihanna had was quick lil singles. Her albums are forgotten and full of fillers nobody wants to listen to.

 

I find this so cringe of Beyonce who jumped on so many remixes for a lil quick recently. Rihanna's hits are certainly not quick lil singles.

[XtiRih]

4 minutes ago, Keeandga said:

Christina is amazing and endlessly talented but for the most part this is out of context and not true, but I don’t have discredit X to make Britney’s (correct spelling) stats look better bc at the end of the day who really cares but Britney total sales are much greater than Christina’s that’s just fact, but that doesn’t mean X hasn’t had an amazing career. 

But I don't deny that Britney sold more records than Christina. But the facts are that during their peak Xtina released less albums (2000s - 2, TWO + Spanish and Xmas album vs 5 for Britney)

And it is also a fact that in the period 2002-2003 when both released new albums, Stripped sold better, then in the period 2006-2008 Back to Basics won, after which in the 2010s she also sold more albums. Not to mention the fact that Moves Like Jagger+Say Something sold more than all of Britney singles from the 2010s combined

 

Downplaying Christina's success is stupid

 

and I also know that Erreur2 La Nature is sickly obsessed with Christina, which is sad

[Xtripped]

People typing Beyonce, Rihanna, Ariana, Xtina, Britney, Pink 

 

OT Meghan Trainor and Kesha

[spree]

Debbie Gibson and Tiffany

 

basically just one album, maybe one and a half, and then done forever. 

[spree]

9 minutes ago, FENTY. said:

How can yall say LOUD was a smaller peak when it was literally outselling Teenage Dream in 2010/11 until Katy outsold it 2 years later with the re-release and Rihanna ended that era in less than a year… to release the biggest female billboard hit of the decade that SAME year. Not to mention bigger tour etc 

 

2011 Rihanna was MASSIVE

 

 

 

 

but when people think of 2011, her name is never mentioned (until now ironically).  She had the hits, but Katy, Gaga, and Adele overshadowed her.  Maybe because nobody cared about her as a personality or celebrity figure.

[Aethereal]

2 hours ago, byzantium said:

This is an interesting question.  Maybe Selena, Demi, or Lana. 

Born to Die was bigger than 1989 in Europe and it has sold  5M-6M units in US (2M being pure sales without the EP)?

 

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Considering Selena or Demi are not considered MPGs, it's Miley, Ariana or Dua Lipa or any of the newer stars from 2010s. But it's hard to compare the digital era with the streaming one.  

 

If I recall back in Classic ATRL Miley was not considered a MPG, Dua was not big or a thing back then so it was a general opinion that Ariana had the weakest MPG peak ever. 

 

 

 

 

[wish]

I’ll agree that it’s Selena Gomez, she’s always been consistently popular but never really had a big peak at all

 

Revival era is arguably her peak, but even at the time she was being majorly overshadowed by Taylor, Adele, Ariana, Justin, Weeknd, and Drake.

[byzantium]

1 minute ago, Aristotle said:

5M-6M units in US (2M being pure sales without the EP)

Due to incredible longevity which serves my point. 

[Keeandga]

8 minutes ago, XtiRih said:

But I don't deny that Britney sold more records than Christina. But the facts are that during their peak Xtina released less albums (2000s - 2, TWO + Spanish and Xmas album vs 5 for Britney)

And it is also a fact that in the period 2002-2003 when both released new albums, Stripped sold better, then in the period 2006-2008 Back to Basics won, after which in the 2010s she also sold more albums. Not to mention the fact that Moves Like Jagger+Say Something sold more than all of Britney singles from the 2010s combined

 

Downplaying Christina's success is stupid

 

and I also know that Erreur2 La Nature is sickly obsessed with Christina, which is sad

If anything you tried to downplay Britney, bringing up her personal troubles when it’s about music. What was the reason? It’s such low hanging fruit. 

[Underdogs]

2 hours ago, CandleGuy said:

Not P!nk even being forgotten in this thread 

 

She's the prime example of consistent success without ever really being a top 3 girl

P!nk had the biggest album, song and tour by a female artist in 2013. Her peak wasn’t as big as the likes of Britney or Lady Gaga but she’s definitely been more than the “top 3” for multiple album cycles. 

[FENTY.]

3 minutes ago, spree said:

but when people think of 2011, her name is never mentioned (until now ironically).  She had the hits, but Katy, Gaga, and Adele overshadowed her.  Maybe because nobody cared about her as a personality or celebrity figure.

Adele definitely overshadowed everyone  but you just didn’t say the GP didn’t care about Rihanna’s personality or celebrity figure. I—

 

I mean red hair alone… and yeah she wasn’t definitely overshadowed by either Katy or Gaga that year. True about Gaga in 2010 but not 2011

 

 

[wish]

3 minutes ago, Aristotle said:

Born to Die was bigger than 1989 in Europe and it has sold  5M-6M units in US (2M being pure sales without the EP)?

 

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Considering Selena or Demi are not considered MPGs, it's Miley, Ariana or Dua Lipa or any of the newer stars from 2010s. But it's hard to compare the digital era with the streaming one.  

 

If I recall back in Classic ATRL Miley was not considered a MPG, Dua was not big or a thing back then so it was a general opinion that Ariana had the weakest MPG peak ever. 

I’m glad you consider Miley an MPG, but her peak was not anything to laugh at. She was arguably the #1 female artist for her demographic between 2007 - 2010 with strong album sales and global touring numbers, and then had another major cultural peak in 2013.

[ScorpiosGroove]

19 minutes ago, Maxxie said:

I find this so cringe of Beyonce who jumped on so many remixes for a lil quick recently. Rihanna's hits are certainly not quick lil singles.

rihanna stans (and barbs) should never talk down on anyone jumping on songs when half of rih’s hits are her being a feature on other people’s songs 

[Aethereal]

3 minutes ago, FENTY. said:

Adele definitely overshadowed everyone  but you just didn’t say the GP didn’t care about Rihanna’s personality or celebrity figure. I—

 

I mean red hair alone… and yeah she wasn’t definitely overshadowed by either Katy or Gaga that year. True about Gaga in 2010 but not 2011

 

 

True also Gaga sold 440K, 99 cents copies in US otherwise the number of sales in US would be around 2M for BTW and 1.85M for Loud barely a massive difference for Rihanna was a single's artists  and the gap in singles was huge.

 

Meanwhile Rihanna outsold Gaga internationally in albums sales without including singles at all. 

 

 

[Maxxie]

1 minute ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

rihanna stans (and barbs) should never talk down on anyone jumping on songs when half of rih’s hits are her being a feature on other people’s songs 

When has Rihanna jumped on a remix of an already popular song like Savage, Mi Gente or Perfect?

 

Also this was not Bey shade, I love her! 

[Aethereal]

1 minute ago, wish said:

I’m glad you consider Miley an MPG, but her peak was not anything to laugh at. She was arguably the #1 female artist for her demographic between 2007 - 2010 with strong album sales and global touring numbers, and then had another major cultural peak in 2013.

Where did you get the notion that Miley's peak was something to laugh at? I never implied so

But was it bigger than The Fame, Teenage Dream, GGGB, 1989 or 21? 

 

Maybe Miley beats the streaming era girls but it's hard to compare two different eras.

[Digitalism]

I feel like people like Selena and Pink don't really have peaks. They were just estable

 

That user trying it with Rih when his fav doesn't have a bigger peak than  Rihanna

[VioletsandRoses]

5 minutes ago, Aristotle said:

True also Gaga sold 440K, 99 cents copies in US otherwise the number of sales in US would be around 2M for BTW and 1.85M for Loud barely a massive difference for Rihanna was a single's artists  and the gap in singles was huge.

 

Meanwhile Rihanna outsold Gaga internationally in albums sales without including singles at all. 

 

 

Define international? Because the sold about the same in Oceania, more in both USA and Canada, BTW sold more than 2x in Latin America, 3x more in Asia, and Northern/Southern Europe (Italy, Spain, Sweden, Finland, etc). It only sold more in West Europe ala UK, France, Germany. 
 

People saying Lana and Pink lol. Pinks peak sold 12m albums in 2001. Funhouse sold more than “smash” albums Loud, BTW, and TD. She had the most international album in 2012 while her peers were either tanking or doing well only state-side. Lana’s peak was bigger than most mpgs in Latin America and Europe. Also has impressive stats in North America and Oceania. She only struggled in Asia where most pop girls don’t do well here. Least impressive is Bangerz. The album it’s self sold less pure than Artpop WW and the singles don’t have impressive digital sales for their time period. It has good streaming numbers but nowhere as big as other 2013 smashes. 

[Aethereal]

Just now, VioletsandRoses said:

Define international? Because the sold about the same in Oceania, more in both USA and Canada, BTW sold more than 2x in Latin America, 3x more in Asia, and Northern/Southern Europe (Italy, Spain, Sweden, Finland, etc). It only sold more in West Europe ala UK, France, Germany. 
 

International meaning outside of America. 

[wish]

6 minutes ago, Aristotle said:

Where did you get the notion that Miley's peak was something to laugh at? I never implied so

But was it bigger than The Fame, Teenage Dream, GGGB, 1989 or 21? 

 

Maybe Miley beats the streaming era girls but it's hard to compare two different eras.

It's just not worth mentioning her in a thread like this when artists like Selena, Dua, and P!nk exist