Polgg48 Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 there's room for everybody for a "legend" nowadays, let's just say that. 1 1
dussel_06 Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 Yes. A living and thriving legend. At least among her generation, she’s the closest one.
americanshameless Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 I’m gonna take my OTH goggles off on this one No. 2 1 2
BGKC Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, on the line said: I'd have agreed and said the same thing prior to the Eras Tour but now everything has changed. The Eras Tour infiltrated American culture since the Ticketmaster disaster in 2023, nearly an entire year and still everywhere. She still has a ways to go but this changed it. Taylor Swift today is different. I understand what you mean. There was a major shift since she embarked on this tour. That to me was solidified her legend status. It takes a legend to sell out stadiums and gross the way Taylor does... like demographically she does have an advantage, but even with that in mind, she’s still leaps and bounds ahead of anyone who benefits from a similar type of audience, and in a big way. Edited October 21, 2023 by BGKC 2
BGKC Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Goaty said: To Taylor’s credit, cultural influence and legacy are much more clearly defined as the decades go on. She’ll always be disfavored on that front when comparing her with the likes of Madonna and Beyoncé because they’ve been around so much longer. I think it’ll take years for us to fully understand what kind of legacy Taylor is currently carving out for herself. I agree. I look forward to what kind of output she has in store in the coming years, as does anyone else who may or may not be prepared. I personally don’t see her playing it safe from here on out FYI (which was my point in case).. there’s a lot more to come that we least expect. (And the fact that her “flopping” seems unreal is another thing… legend) Edited October 21, 2023 by BGKC 1
Mordecai Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 The only thing that's stopping her from becoming one is time. What makes someone a legend is retrospectivity - that we look back at someone's career and appreciate it for what it is. It's hard to do that when you're still witnessing that legacy being made currently. Even for someone like Beyonce (who is a legend at this point) or even Adele it's hard to characterise them firmly as one yet because they're still scoring hits and in the cultural zeitgeist. 2 1
on the line Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 6 hours ago, ASC said: There is nothing legendary about her apart from sales and boyfriends she can’t sing dance and act chart obsessed (check that CS thread about EP and remixes ) her sales are phenomenal and fan base is huge … but that will be it Minus the fact that she's on every list with every other supposed legend. You are who you hang out with.
on the line Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 4 hours ago, BGKC said: I understand what you mean. There was a major shift since she embarked on this tour. That to me was solidified her legend status. It takes a legend to sell out stadiums and gross the way Taylor does... like demographically she does have an advantage, but even with that in mind, she’s still leaps and bounds ahead of anyone who benefits from a similar type of audience, and in a big way. Look at this world peace happening in ATRL. Swifties and Hivies getting along!! Thank you Mother Theresa Taylor! 1 1
HappierJealousy Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 6 hours ago, ASC said: There is nothing legendary about her apart from sales and boyfriends she can’t sing dance and act chart obsessed (check that CS thread about EP and remixes ) her sales are phenomenal and fan base is huge … but that will be it Cause she is a true artist who writes all of her material as well as producing and directing them, she is responsible for all her music unlike some so-called “artist” . She is not vocalist/dancer/actress why she need to sing dance and act? Are Beatles members vocalists/dancers/actors? Can you deny their legendary status? How is it chart obsessed because she released a single EP? Every, literally ever smash female song in recent years has single EP, including Kill Bill, Snooze, flowers and Unholy (which has 10+ versions remixes). And even if she is chart obsessed, what is the relationship between this and being a legend? At least say something that makes sense
Popboi. Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 Yes, objectively speaking her and Beyoncé are the legends from this century. With the likes of Gaga and Adele considerable but not as obvious. 1
The Music Industry Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, JaXXXon said: And it's not only the Czech Republic. Taylor isn't as big as some of her peers in overall sales and chart performance in Poland, Germany, France, Spain and Japan. But she's still big there so I don't know why you're implying she's not popular in Czech Republic. Japan is a sneak here. She is bigger than her peers there and has been since 2012. Japan in general just doesn't use western artists anymore (basically got replaced by K-Pop), whereas it was an extremely profitable market for them in the late 2000s/early 2010s. As for the Czech Republic, Poland, Germany, France, Spain.... I mean cute and true to an extent but you can combine those countries and triple them and it still wouldn't come close to the size of the American music market, where she is already the biggest female artist ever. Edited October 21, 2023 by The Music Industry 1
prézli Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 Absolutely not. What's her impact? Going pop from country? 1 2
Axelios Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 14 hours ago, JaXXXon said: Taylor is an album seller as most of those you mentioned but had they also incorporated how many times fans listened to their music at home into their units for most of their career (as is the case with streaming nowadays), you'd have them quadruple their sales. No because album sales aren't as high as they used to be given than music is available more freely. If these artists released their albums today their sales wouldn't be as high. 14 hours ago, JaXXXon said: And it's not only the Czech Republic. Taylor isn't as big as some of her peers in overall sales and chart performance in Poland, Germany, France, Spain and Japan. But she's still big there so I don't know why you're implying she's not popular in Czech Republic. Who are these "peers"? Taylor is bigger than all of them when you look at the global picture. It doesn't make sense to isolate a few countries. For example Gaga is the only one of her peers that is a bit bigger in Japan. But Taylor is still much bigger than the likes of Rihanna and Katy Perry there and she is bigger than Gaga in most other music markets.
CaptainMusic Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 In the U.S she probably is but here in the U.K and I assume most of Europe I don’t think she is yet. She’ll get there eventually though.
MingYouToo Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 7 hours ago, BGKC said: I agree. I look forward to what kind of output she has in store in the coming years, as does anyone else who may or may not be prepared. I personally don’t see her playing it safe from here on out FYI (which was my point in case).. there’s a lot more to come that we least expect. (And the fact that her “flopping” seems unreal is another thing… legend) I think this is the point where she probably knows its not career suicide to make risky career moves. A more sexual disco era next?
KarmaCat Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) Lol the people denying her legendary status will one day look back and see the IMPACT she has made on various stuff such as masters/re-recordings, Eras tour and film, genre shifts and legendary discography will simply wish their faves paved the way Edited October 21, 2023 by KarmaCat
KarmaCat Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Axelios said: No because album sales aren't as high as they used to be given than music is available more freely. If these artists released their albums today their sales wouldn't be as high. Who are these "peers"? Taylor is bigger than all of them when you look at the global picture. It doesn't make sense to isolate a few countries. For example Gaga is the only one of her peers that is a bit bigger in Japan. But Taylor is still much bigger than the likes of Rihanna and Katy Perry there and she is bigger than Gaga in most other music markets. She has outlasted her “peers” and they’re just denying it. She was Carrie’s peer with their country smashes Self-Titled/Carnival Ride. She was Gaga’s peer late 2000s with their breakout records Fearless and The Fame. She was Katy’s peer on early 2010s with pop domination Teenage Dream/Prism and RED/1989. She was Adele’s peer with 25/1989. She was Ariana’s peer with Lover/TUN. She’s currently Dua and Olivia’s peers with Sour/Midnights/Future Nostalgia
JaXXXon Posted October 22, 2023 Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Axelios said: No because album sales aren't as high as they used to be given than music is available more freely. If these artists released their albums today their sales wouldn't be as high. Who are these "peers"? Taylor is bigger than all of them when you look at the global picture. It doesn't make sense to isolate a few countries. For example Gaga is the only one of her peers that is a bit bigger in Japan. But Taylor is still much bigger than the likes of Rihanna and Katy Perry there and she is bigger than Gaga in most other music markets. Gaga is bigger than Taylor in Germany as Gaga's overall certified album units are at 6.2 million units, while Taylor hasn't reached 5 million. Gaga is also on the best-selling singles of all time list in Germany, while Taylor is N/A. In Japan, everyone knows Gaga is bigger. So I'm not even going to list those sales. In Poland, Lady Gaga has two #1 albums on the official sales chart and two DIAMOND albums. TWO. TFM and ASIB. Shallow is TWO-TIMES diamond, for crying out loud. TWO TIMES. Taylor Swift has zero #1 albums and her highest certified album is 2x Platinum. So Gaga is bigger there as well. In France, well... I think we all know how much bigger Gaga is but just for comparison's sake: Gaga has two DIAMOND albums (TF and ASIB) and multiple DIAMOND singles. Taylor has zero. In Denmark, Lady Gaga's best selling album is 5x platinum while Taylor's is 2x Platinum. And while there are no super official stats in Latin America, let me remind you that Taylor broke the record of the most-streamed album in Brazil which was held by Lady Gaga's... Chromatica. In Europe overall, Lady Gaga has sold around 12 million units. No matter if your source is Chartmasters or Mediatraffic or what have you. Even by looking at individual certifications from albums and singles, Gaga is the bigger name in Europe, for example. So it's not isolating a few markets, it's a whole continent. Edited October 22, 2023 by JaXXXon
alestevens Posted October 22, 2023 Posted October 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, JaXXXon said: Gaga is bigger than Taylor in Germany as Gaga's overall certified album units are at 6.2 million units, while Taylor hasn't reached 5 million. Gaga is also on the best-selling singles of all time list in Germany, while Taylor is N/A. In Japan, everyone knows Gaga is bigger. So I'm not even going to list those sales. In Poland, Lady Gaga has two #1 albums on the official sales chart and two DIAMOND albums. TWO. TFM and ASIB. Shallow is TWO-TIMES diamond, for crying out loud. TWO TIMES. Taylor Swift has zero #1 albums and her highest certified album is 2x Platinum. So Gaga is bigger there as well. In France, well... I think we all know how much bigger Gaga is but just for comparison's sake: Gaga has two DIAMOND albums (TF and ASIB) and multiple DIAMOND singles. Taylor has zero. In Denmark, Lady Gaga's best selling album is 5x platinum while Taylor's is 2x Platinum. And while there are no super official stats in Latin America, let me remind you that Taylor broke the record of the most-streamed album in Brazil which was held by Lady Gaga's... Chromatica. In Europe overall, Lady Gaga has sold around 12 million units. No matter if your source is Chartmasters or Mediatraffic or what have you. Even by looking at individual certifications from albums and singles, Gaga is the bigger name in Europe, for example. Taylor is currently bigger than Gaga in most places you just listed (hence her booking the biggest European stadium tour by a female ever) and catching up at record rates. So even if Gaga's overall stats are bigger thanks mostly to album sales from over a decade ago, that will change in a few years from here the latest. By the way, Latin America doesnt begin or end in Brazil (where by the way, as you just told us, Taylor is also bigger in)
JaXXXon Posted October 22, 2023 Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, alestevens said: Taylor is currently bigger than Gaga in most places you just listed (hence her booking the biggest European stadium tour by a female ever) and catching up at record rates. So even if Gaga's overall stats are bigger thanks mostly to album sales from over a decade ago, that will change in a few years from here the latest. By the way, Latin America doesnt begin or end in Brazil (where by the way, as you just told us, Taylor is also bigger in) No but Gaga's Poker Face, Shallow and Bad Romance are overall bigger hits in Europe than any Taylor song both on the charts and certifications. Taylor has been around for 17 years and a decade relevant in Europe (depends on who you ask, some claim it started in 2008), so after 10 studio albums and all those singles and albums she still hasn't caught up to Gaga in Europe? Gaga had three monster eras in Europe so that tells you who is overall more popular. I agree Taylor is right now but even then Dua Lipa currently is very popular I'd say as well. The touring gross. Man, do you know that Harry Styles broke Michael Jackson's record? Do you know that the entire top 5 of the biggest tours will consist of tours from last year and this? Harry, Coldplay, Beyoncé and Taylor? So just because Taylor booked the biggest tour in Europe doesn't mean she's bigger than Madonna there unless you mean Harry Styles and Beyoncé are bigger than Michael Jackson and Coldplay is bigger than Madonna. Edited October 22, 2023 by JaXXXon
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