perpetual novice Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 Too early to say, she’s a dominating cultural figure of the ‘20s so far but she’ll need to maintain this kind of stature for actual decades to be on the same level as the other “legends” 1
ThisNihilist Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) Yeah like Carole King. Music and lyrics weren’t revolutionary but sold well and youngins will reference her in the future Edited October 21, 2023 by ThisNihilist
JaXXXon Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said: Nobody talks about counting things that way because playing a CD in your car or a record at home doesn't generate additional revenue for the artist or label. Streaming does. Of course. However, fans of any artist nowadays have multiple ways to inflate units as you can buy an album, then the vinyl of it and lastly listen to it on Spotify which is what most music fans nowadays do since they don't have a record player of any sort at home. All three things count as revenue and towards overall sales. Back then, a fan bought an album and that was it. Nothing else counted towards their sales. I think comparing it like this doesn't make sense because the sales climate was different. Taylor Swift is the biggest force in the streaming era.
Aethereal Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 38 minutes ago, JaXXXon said: This is such a dumb statement considering Taylor is relevant everywhere and even if she wasn't there are local artists who are legends as well. And it's not only the Czech Republic. Taylor isn't as big as some of her peers in overall sales and chart performance in Poland, Germany, France, Spain and Japan. But she's still big there so I don't know why you're implying she's not popular in Czech Republic. I think they were being sarcastic.
chiliam Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 She is too relevant to be a legend now. She is for sure getting that status in 10 years though.
Tistotal Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 This is always about how MPG’s teams want to market our girls… See Beyonce in a goddess level, or Britney’s princess of pop… it also worked for Taylor since folklore, putting her in a new position as a lyricist (which is the thing she knows how to do) and her incredible marketing strategy with the re release… In other words, I’d say no right now, but probably in the next few years she will named a “legend”
MingYouToo Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) The thing with common parlance is that one is usually seen as a legend the moment they're past their prime. Madonna, Mariah, Janet, Whitney, during their 10+ reign didn't have that universal adoration factor for them. Madonna was brutally lambasted left right and center even well into her 3rd decade in the game, Mariah was tabloid prime for her marriage, her miscarriage, drama and was defined by her breakdown in the early 00s, Janet = nipslip, Whitney = a sellout to white people (for doing big pop in the 80s). Generally they never had the respect they deserved when they were still on top, because when you're on top, you're 'trendy', you're 'what's in', regardless of whether or not you've been in the game for 10+ years. It wasn't until they started to recede from public mainstream that the public gets time to ruminate and go 'yknow what, she is a legend'. Madonna only found undeniable QoP respect by the end of the 00s turn of the 10s, Mariah was only treated like an actual legend post-2008 leading into her American Idol stint, Janet took even longer and Whitney, well she was respected but her solidified legend status only happened post-mortem sadly. With Taylor, she's never going to be seen as a legend yet because public perception always dictates that she's still 'here', she never came and left, even if you tell them she's been here since 2006, Shake it Off and Love Story to them will still feel brand new because she as an entity still remains mainstream, more mainstream than ever actually. Its only with time and with her eventually falling off that she'll eventually be seen as a legend. I consider Bey as the exception because she's been squeaky clean as a public personality (unlike the other female pop legends), and her whole brand rests on elite perfection, perfect singing, dancing, performance. By 2013 with ST it was undeniable the public saw her as a legend already. None of the popgirls have ever hit that niche except her simply because her talent is miles insane compared to everyone else. She basically sped up her road to becoming a music legend. Edited October 21, 2023 by MingYouToo
rihannafan Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 No, when the dust settles, people will look back on this craze as an absurdity more than anything. 2 3 3
charot Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 No. All she's got is numbers. She's never done anything iconic or memorable. 3 1 2
loveisdead9582 Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 The only reason why I could maybe see it argued is because (to me anyways) legends may be a bit past their peak but have still had/have amazing careers. Taylor seems to be at her peak and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. If anything I could see her potentially topping herself with TS11 and an eras part 2 tour. tl;dr - if she isn’t a legend now, she will be.
byzantium Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, loveisdead9582 said: The only reason why I could maybe see it argued is because (to me anyways) legends may be a bit past their peak but have still had/have amazing careers. Taylor seems to be at her peak and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. If anything I could see her potentially topping herself with TS11 and an eras part 2 tour. tl;dr - if she isn’t a legend now, she will be. This argument is confusing because it is essentially saying, if she was less successful and influential, she would be more of a legend. If her career continued on a downhill trajectory after lover, she would be a legend. But because instead, she ascended to new heights in the music industry only ever occupied by a handful of people, she is not a legend? Part of what makes this moment so unique and fun is that she is a legend. Her first decade alone was enough to secure that. But now she is a legend that is still a mainstream pop artist topping the charts. It’s incredibly rare for someone to have this level of longevity, but that makes her more of a legend, not less. Edited October 21, 2023 by byzantium
loveisdead9582 Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, byzantium said: This argument is confusing because it is essentially saying, if she was less successful and influential, she would be more of a legend. If her career continued on a downhill trajectory after lover, she would be a legend. But because instead, she ascended to new heights in the music industry only ever occupied by a handful of people, she is not a legend? Part of what makes this moment so unique and fun is that she is a legend. Her first decade alone was enough to secure that. But now she is a legend that is still a mainstream pop artist topping the charts. It’s incredibly rare for someone to have this level of longevity, but that makes her more of a legend, not less. Sorry if it was confusing. I should have been more specific about length of career as well. Her career is certainly legendary. She’s accomplished quite a bit and doesn’t seem to be slowing down anytime soon.
adylovestaylorandjb Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 She is and atrl and their faves who haven't been relevant since 2011 can seethe. She has all records as well as acclaim and impact
Haschwalth Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 she already is. the whole re release saga alone will cause her to be remembered for decades to come 2
blackoutbaby Posted October 21, 2023 Author Posted October 21, 2023 8 hours ago, Klein said: Um. Lover is actually not her least successful as it is her 4th biggest album. Her least successful would be evermore. Still 3X Platinum eligible so the point still stands. To answer the question, I don't know if she's there already, but she is 100% going to be one. She's "only" been in the game for 17 years after all. Ngl I always accidentally count Evermore as part of the Folklore era. Not on purpose, just something I subconsciously do. I'll go ahead and edit - oops!
agorahills Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) I'm not even a big fan of Taylor but I can admit to her being an legend. No artist that is active in this decade is doing over 2 Million first week sales. Her ability to have a four year old song (Cruel Summer) sell over 5 million units in 2023 and peak at #1 in the same year is literally insane. Her 2-4 year old albums are literally the most streamed female albums on spotify currently & are out-streaming anticipated comeback albums that were released a month ago (GUTS & Scarlet). She's not the best singer or performer, but that does not take away her legend status. Her impact is undeniably there and her songs will be remembered for centuries due to her impeccable story-telling songwriting. Her music is literally being studied at universities and schools as we speak. Edited October 21, 2023 by agorahills 4
ASC Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 There is nothing legendary about her apart from sales and boyfriends she can’t sing dance and act chart obsessed (check that CS thread about EP and remixes ) her sales are phenomenal and fan base is huge … but that will be it 3 2 4
*.Digambar.* Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 Yes she is. Her impact goes beyond just music. Politicians have literally begged her to come to their country. Her opinion is the only one that matters at this day and age. 3
duadududt Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 I'm not her biggest fan and even I can admit she is. She's a marketing Genius and knows what to do at the right moment.
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