itsjem Posted April 22, 2023 Posted April 22, 2023 (edited) damn some of u people really never get tired of this Taylor thing uh Edited April 22, 2023 by itsjem
Badgalbriel Posted April 22, 2023 Posted April 22, 2023 45 minutes ago, Sex with Rih said: I don't think people are streaming her music because she plays an instrument or attending her tours because she composes her music. They do this because sings( for lack of a better word) and her success comes as a shock when you hear her singing( or lack thereof). Because they identify with her lyrics, which is another aspect of being a musician
IsidoraMarí Posted April 22, 2023 Posted April 22, 2023 (edited) Why is this a question while there's Rappers with successful careers singing while calling it rapping. Doja, Nicki, Drake, Lil Wayne, Kanye Lil Nas X. etc. etc. Edited April 22, 2023 by IsidoraMarí
Otter Posted April 22, 2023 Posted April 22, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sex with Rih said: If it weren't for the lip syncing on her eras tour, she'd literally sound dreadful singing Anti hero Rihanna lip synced through her whole superbowl & no outside of ATRL cared for more than 1 second. Her live tours are 70% backing track. Some of you are very out of touch with how people actually engage with artists. If Taylor was famous for vocally complex ballads and couldnt deliver, people would maybe care but she's not. Her audience is not seeing her live to hear vocals. They want a show, personal engagement from the artist who created the music they love, new live arrangements and the excitement that comes with a arena/stadium. Edited April 22, 2023 by Otter
san784 Posted April 22, 2023 Posted April 22, 2023 (edited) On 4/20/2023 at 6:17 PM, Kingdom said: For someone who sells really well and writes songs cheesy or not, its a bit baffling that her vocals live are really not good but she gets away with it. Black artist (esp black women ) in general always have to strive to be excellent and be better than most to get half of what their white counterparts gets. Do you think VOCALISTS like Alicia keys, Beyonce etc can etc can get away with Taylor's vocal....competence? Isn’t Rihanna black and still very successful? Edited April 22, 2023 by san784
Zoe_ Posted April 22, 2023 Posted April 22, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, A.R.L said: Did ashanti have a career like taylor’s? Not to mention ashanti’s vocals were used to save a certain career and I’m not even a fan btw Ashanti voice did not save JLo career. Jlo simply kept her voice on as backing vocals. Aretha and Whitney had backing vocalists on their songs. It was a thing people did. Edited April 22, 2023 by Zoe_
A.R.L Posted April 23, 2023 Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, Zoe_ said: Ashanti voice did not save JLo career. Jlo simply kept her voice on as backing vocals. Aretha and Whitney had backing vocalists on their songs. It was a thing people did. I'm real and most of jlos hits wouldn't be what they were if it wasn't for the supporting backing vocals, that's a totally different story than when you talk about others like whitney or aretha who can do wonders without backing vocals, or even average vocalists who CAN sing at least, and whose career is built on their VOICE more than anything else. Therefore, different careers, different lanes, jlo needed those back up vocals to save every chorus of the songs and her career. Edited April 23, 2023 by A.R.L
Kiss It Better Posted April 23, 2023 Posted April 23, 2023 On 4/21/2023 at 5:41 AM, Big Bad Wolf said: No. Just look at Rihanna and how people bash her for being “talentless”, but others have literally PRAISED someone like Selena Gomez for having a “good career despite no talent” or whatever + they eat up her whisper vocals like no tomorrow too. But Rihanna gets dragged for everything under the sun even though her discography is full of literal classics. basically this, Rihanna's vocals is better (exhibit A: just listen to those AI covers and how her vocals and tone made songs better) yet people naming her as 'worse singer than [name a bad non black singer]' or 'talentless' like people are doing in this thread
Kiss It Better Posted April 23, 2023 Posted April 23, 2023 14 hours ago, Otter said: Rihanna lip synced through her whole superbowl & no outside of ATRL cared for more than 1 second the lies... from this month alone
Otter Posted April 23, 2023 Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Kiss It Better said: the lies... from this month alone Yes exactly! The point was no one cared about the lip-syncing. Yet Taylor hiding behind a backing track is supposed to be treated as differently? Go to a stadium and no ones is conscious of it, they just want to be entertained and feel the energy of the music they love, being fronted by the artist who made it. Edited April 23, 2023 by Otter
Otter Posted April 23, 2023 Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Kiss It Better said: basically this, Rihanna's vocals is better (exhibit A: just listen to those AI covers and how her vocals and tone made songs better) yet people naming her as 'worse singer than [name a bad non black singer]' or 'talentless' like people are doing in this thread Your just talking about atrl and stan circles where people try and deflect from their fav and or project their insecurities. In the real world, everyone loves Rih's recording vocals which is why she's the 2nd/3rd most streamed female artist currently with no album out since 2016. Edited April 23, 2023 by Otter
san784 Posted April 23, 2023 Posted April 23, 2023 On 4/20/2023 at 11:49 PM, Not Like The Movies said: That's a bold lie. She has a stronger voice than a lot of those white pop girls yall stan She could also do whistle note. Lies, lies and more lies
san784 Posted April 23, 2023 Posted April 23, 2023 29 minutes ago, Otter said: Your just talking about atrl and stan circles where people try and deflect from their fav and or project their insecurities. In the real world, everyone loves Rih's recording vocals which is why she's the 2nd/3rd most streamed female artist currently with no album out since 2016. Her recorded vocals aren’t the issue.
Kiss It Better Posted April 23, 2023 Posted April 23, 2023 35 minutes ago, Otter said: Yes exactly! The point was no one cared about the lip-syncing. Yet Taylor hiding behind a backing track is supposed to be treated as differently? Go to a stadium and no ones is conscious of it, they just want to be entertained and feel the energy of the music they love, being fronted by the artist who made it. the backtracking and the edit
JawBreaker Posted April 23, 2023 Posted April 23, 2023 Taylor may not be a vocalist but she sings very well. I luv her tone so much it's so soothing to the ears. To your question yes they can. Rihanna literally exist. Rihanna is FAR from a vocalist. Only ATRL gheys thinks shes some great vocalist. But shes in the same range as Taylor. Also SZA is the 2nd biggest female artist rn and shes thriving with her non vocalist vocals. I personally dont care for whistle notes, riffs and all that. And the GP doesnt either considering Taylor is biggest artist currently and is on one of the biggest tour in history. She brings much more to the table than just her voice. It's why ATRL faves will never be as successful as her.
Otter Posted April 23, 2023 Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Kiss It Better said: the backtracking and the edit Just say you missed the point. The discussion is about white artist being able to get away with bad vocals. But live vocals aren't the center of modern pop artists' success. You said Taylor would sound awful if it wasn't for the backing track supporting her on anti-hero live, I said Rihanna has always heavily depended on backing tracks and her superbowl was lip-synced. The GP didn't care and enjoyed the show. Only atrl gays and stans of competing artists are running around dragging artists for utilising a backing track to deliver a solid performance. Edited April 23, 2023 by Otter
Zoe_ Posted April 23, 2023 Posted April 23, 2023 4 hours ago, A.R.L said: I'm real and most of jlos hits wouldn't be what they were if it wasn't for the supporting backing vocals, that's a totally different story than when you talk about others like whitney or aretha who can do wonders without backing vocals, or even average vocalists who CAN sing at least, and whose career is built on their VOICE more than anything else. Therefore, different careers, different lanes, jlo needed those back up vocals to save every chorus of the songs and her career. This is a pure lie. JLo could have easily sung the backup vocals and the songs would have smashed still. The vocals were not challenging.
Kiss It Better Posted April 23, 2023 Posted April 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Otter said: You said Taylor would sound awful if it wasn't for the backing track supporting her on anti-hero live where did i say this? i literally just came here and saw you said nobody talked about "rihanna's halftime after 1 sec" and said you're wrong you mixed me with another user
Otter Posted April 23, 2023 Posted April 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, Kiss It Better said: where did i say this? i literally just came here and saw you said nobody talked about "rihanna's halftime after 1 sec" and said you're wrong you mixed me with another user Whoopsie, I mixed you with @sex with Rih, but yeah, that was the context of the convo you jumped into and falsely accused me of backtracking when it was my point all along
Mr. Stratus Posted April 23, 2023 Posted April 23, 2023 Taylor’s Super Bowl will probably be way better than Rihannas but can guarantee she will get more critiscm. So that answers the question
thetea Posted April 23, 2023 Posted April 23, 2023 On 4/21/2023 at 11:13 AM, Margaux said: yes. becoz she hasn’t improve since then. that’s like a decade and a half of noise pollution this i'd say no. i think that black artists are more scrutinised and get more attention from the media if they lack vocal talent. taylor's singing is fine, but she's never tried to brand herself as a vocalist.
thetea Posted April 23, 2023 Posted April 23, 2023 On 4/22/2023 at 4:21 AM, lonnie said: argue that MOTS has fillers (it actually doesn't and is a good album) it is certainly not the kind of album that's made to be a massive success with its mostly dancehall and Caribbean inspired songs that's exactly what i was thinking. MOTS is a great album, it's been on repeat for me a lot lately. i guess dancehall and reggae inspired songs aren't for everyone though, especially taylor swift fans
thetea Posted April 23, 2023 Posted April 23, 2023 On 4/22/2023 at 7:15 AM, Gui Blackout said: Rihanna, Janet Jackson immediately come to mind And they don't have a redeeming quality like Taylor's generational talent in songwriting Janet jackson is an amazing performer though. She was known in the 80s and 90s for her performances and dancing. She also writes some of her music too. Y'all need to stop constantly bringing up songwriting as if it's the only measure of talent in the music industry.
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