base talk The biggest worldwide female peak of all time, your favorite?

[unclefloprry]

Not Billie and Celine with 0% 

[ChrisTheLoner]

Britney Spears and Destiny’s Child 

[naval23]

23 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

It was not revoked, sis. They made a new series with different methodology for each decade include sales and streams until the present. They said so themselves.

 

Who had two global female songs of the decade? What does that have to do with Mariah's accomplishments? As if she doesn't have enormous global classics.

She has a few global classics aka Without You and XMas song but not on the same level as "I Wanna Dance With Somebody" (biggest female 80s song) and "I Will Always Love You" biggest 90s song 

[GagaStefi]

My favorite is Gaga's but OP forgot Katy's massive peak

[Robburro]

You put Billie but no Avril? Interesting

[suburbannature]

9 minutes ago, naval23 said:

She has a few global classics aka Without You and XMas song but not on the same level as "I Wanna Dance With Somebody" (biggest female 80s song) and "I Will Always Love You" biggest 90s song 

 

 

the way AIWFCIY has either or is about to surpass both already.

 

@stevyy where does it stand in current units?

[naval23]

2 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

 

 

the way AIWFCIY has either or is about to surpass both already.

 

@stevyy where does it stand in current units?

I said the XMas song was among her global classics? I won't deny that one is huge even though it was more recurrent stats accumulating year by year. Congrats to the Xmas chanteuse 

[suburbannature]

1 minute ago, naval23 said:

I said the XMas song was among her global classics? I won't deny that one is huge even though it was more recurrent stats accumulating year by year. Congrats to the Xmas chanteuse 

Your shade is weak, gurl.

[naval23]

1 minute ago, suburbannature said:

Your shade is weak, gurl.

And your rebuttals are weak, gurl. 

[Keeandga]

Brit & Spice Girls

[suburbannature]

2 minutes ago, naval23 said:

And your rebuttals are weak, gurl. 

Now when I come with stats and all you have is xMaS chAnTeuSe. A song that single-handedly eclipses Miss JLo's entire music "career." 

 

OT: Mariah and Madonna

[Luckitty]

the billie sneak

 

[naval23]

1 minute ago, suburbannature said:

Now when I come with stats and all you have is xMaS chAnTeuSe. A song that single-handedly eclipses Miss JLo's entire music "career." 

 

OT: Mariah and Madonna

Not you flipping the argument from 2 song of the decades to XMas stats omg

Happy for you, XMas song is huge!

[suburbannature]

Just now, naval23 said:

Not you flipping the argument from 2 song of the decades to XMas stats omg

Happy for you, XMas song is huge!

And at the end of the day she has two Billboard Songs of the Decade. Plus a song on its way to being the biggest female song ever, globally. 

 

and yes, it's the Christmas song. 

[CaptainMusic]

3 hours ago, suburbannature said:

You put 1991-1998

 

Her peak was truly 1990-1999. 

Mariah was not at her peak for a whole decade, especially not in the late 90s as her sales started dwindling.

 

Music Box was her peak so 1993-1994.

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The biggest peak is Whitney 1992-1993 and no one comes close

 

[suburbannature]

Just now, CaptainMusic said:

Mariah was not at her peak for a whole decade, especially not in the late 90s as her sales started dwindling.

 

Music Box was her peak so 1993-1994.

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The biggest peak is Whitney 1992-1993 and no one comes close

 

 

2 hours ago, suburbannature said:

Mariah in the 90s:

 

Mariah Carey (1990): 15 million WW and 4 #1s

Emotions (1991): 8 million WW and 1 #1

MTV Unplugged EP (1992): 7 million WW and 1 #1 (fan-demanded single)

Music Box (1993): 30 million WW and 2 #1s (plus Without You)

Merry Christmas (1994): 15 million WW and a Christmas classic

Daydream (1995): 20 million WW and 3 #1s

Butterfly (1997): 10 million WW and 2 #1s

#1s (1998): 15 million WW and an Oscar-winning song

Rainbow (1999): 8 million WW and 2 #1s

 

Billboard Song of the Decade

Billboard Artist of the Decade

World Music Awards Artist of the Decade (awarded 1998)

World Music Awards Artist of the Millennium (awarded 2000)

Best-selling non-Asian album EVER in Japan (#1s)

Sold out seven Tokyo Dome shows across two years (sold out in record time)

Credited for enormous impact on the industry (melismatic singing, meld of pop/R&B, hip-hop collabs, Xmas in pop)

Six songs making Hot 100 year-end Top 10

Mariah Carey #1 year-end album, Daydream and Music Box both #2 year-end

 

 

(from Billboard and World Music Awards)

 

 

@stevyy what did I miss?

 

As you can see, she sold more in 97-99 than 90-92, dear.

[CaptainMusic]

3 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

 

As you can see, she sold more in 97-99 than 90-92, dear.

90-92 wasn’t her peak either

 

A peak is when an artist is at their biggest, Mariah was at her biggest from 1993-1994, Butterfly & Rainbow sold a 1/3 of her peak album. 

[worldwide angel]

janet 89-95, 86-01 if we want to be broader in our definitin 

[suburbannature]

Just now, CaptainMusic said:

90-92 wasn’t her peak either

 

A peak is when an artist is at their biggest, Mariah was at her biggest from 1993-1994, Butterfly & Rainbow sold a 1/3 of her peak album. 

Mariah ruled an entire decade, which is pretty unprecedented. 10-15 million being a fraction of her biggest album just shows how enormous she was.   Female artists almost NEVER have 7th and 8th releases maintaining a level of sales comparable with their debut (which was released in 1990 and was the #1 album of 1991). Her 1998 release is the best-selling non-Asian album ever in the biggest global market. So yes, her peak lasted longer.

 

And even by your logic, the peak would be 1993-1996. MB, Merry Xmas, and Daydream eras. 

[Planet Mars]

The Supremes were really the first IT girls in music. They scored the hits, they SOLD the albums, they were as visible as could be (Ed Sullivan loved them and always had them on his show) and they were TRULY holding their own in a very male dominated field, as black women nonetheless in the 1960's.

 

Not to mention Diana left and became THAT girl, basically setting the blue print. 

 

Their impact far outpaces the other girls groups and their run of hits are superior as well.

 

As far as solo goes, I'll go with Madonna or Whitney. Beyoncé's imperial commercial phase pales in comparison to her artistic/acclaimed era and the other girls all bit off Madonna, Whitney and Janet tbh.

Edited May 21, 2022 by Planet Mars

[Ghiles]

Britney and PCD

[CaptainMusic]

4 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

Mariah ruled an entire decade, which is pretty unprecedented. 10-15 million being a fraction of her biggest album just shows how enormous she was.   Female artists almost NEVER have 7th and 8th releases maintaining a level of sales comparable with their debut (which was released in 1990 and was the #1 album of 1991).

That’s nice and impressive but it still wasn’t her peak which again is the highest point of an artist’s career commercially. 

 

Even Daydream was a decline in places like Europe, Oceania & South America for Mariah so that wasn’t her peak either, Music Box was massive everywhere in a way that none of her other eras compare to.

 

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Her 1998 release is the best-selling non-Asian album ever in the biggest global market. So yes, her peak lasted longer.

 

The Bodyguard sold more in Asia and it’s 1 continent and did/does not contain most of the biggest music markets which is what matters the most.

 

#1s was nowhere near as big as Music Box which is why it sold half as much.

[Link16]

2 hours ago, brenda-walsh said:

including Cyndi Lauper but not Janet 

this is about peaks, Janet was overshadow worldwide in the 80s for Madonna and in the 90s for Mariah/Whitney, that's why i didn´t include also Christina, Katy, etc...

[suburbannature]

3 minutes ago, CaptainMusic said:

That’s nice and impressive but it still wasn’t her peak which again is the highest point of an artist’s career commercially. 

 

Even Daydream was a decline in places like Europe, Oceania & South America for Mariah so that wasn’t her peak either, Music Box was massive everywhere in a way that none of her other eras compare to.

 

The Bodyguard sold more in Asia and it’s 1 continent and did/does not contain most of the biggest music markets which is what matters the most.

 

#1s was nowhere near as big as Music Box which is why it sold half as much.

 sweetie, please don't comment on things you don't know about. Japan is the biggest global music market (it's only second to the US), and #1s is the best-selling album ever there by a non-Asian artist. 

 

You're using semantics to discredit her decade-long run. Just say you mean peak era and move on.

[CaptainMusic]

1 minute ago, suburbannature said:

 sweetie, please don't comment on things you don't know about. Japan is the biggest global music market (it's only second to the US), and #1s is the best-selling album ever there by a non-Asian artist. 

I was speaking about Asia as a whole containing music markets vs Europe for example, Japan is still only 1 country and does not define a peak  

 

#1s globally did not come close to her peak which was Music Box.

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You're using semantics to discredit her decade-long run. Just say you mean peak era and move on.

…Yes a peak tends to be a peak era

 

Mariah had a very successful “run” in the 90/ which is different, but she was in no way still at her peak by the late 90s when she was being overshadowed and outsold by The Spice Girls, Madonna, Britney, Xtina, Shania, etc.