brainmaniac Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Robyn. said: Mariah had already released 7 SMASH albums when she got to Glitter though, Christina was on her like 4th album when she bombed with Bionic? Christina's long breaks between albums is what makes you think she had such a long career but she didn't. She did not have 7 smash albums especially not when Rainbow was shaky and Glitter was her 7th album that bombed You’re acting like Christina only had a few years of success from her debut and then took a break until Bionic and bombed, but she had successful albums and hits after that and even had a Top 10 single 2 years before Bionic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robyn. Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 1 minute ago, brainmaniac said: She did not have 7 smash albums especially not when Rainbow was shaky and Glitter was her 7th album that bombed You’re acting like Christina only had a few years of success from her debut and then took a break until Bionic and bombed, but she had successful albums and hits after that and even had a Top 10 single 2 years before Bionic I mean I guess he phrased it wrong but you get what he was saying. If you count Christina's years of activity when she was somewhat successful then it amounts to a handful of years in fact. You saying Christina only flopped 11 years into her career is definitely misleading because she had a 3 and 4 year break between projects, it's not comparable to Mariah who kept on releasing albums every 2 years for the first decade of her career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brainmaniac Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, Robyn. said: I mean I guess he phrased it wrong but you get what he was saying. If you count Christina's years of activity when she was somewhat successful then it amounts to a handful of years in fact. You saying Christina only flopped 11 years into her career is definitely misleading because she had a 3 and 4 year break between projects, it's not comparable to Mariah who kept on releasing albums every 2 years for the first decade of her career. But if it seems uneven to compare their flops because of their different rate of releases, then it’s just as uneven to compare their success because of their rate of releases Basically every pop artist will have some album bomb by their 10th year, if not earlier. The threshold is based on age for women, not amount of albums You can’t expect Christina or any artists with her release pattern to have some uninterrupted streak of albums as big as those released in their prime well after their prime and in their 30s and even in her near 40s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beautiful Garbage Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Her own career choices. Since she gave birth to her first child her priorities have shifted and that's that. No one can stay atop of the charts forever. The pop industry is constantly recycling itself. The same way Christina "snatched" the place of pop veterans when she came out, she was then "taken down" by the newcomers of the late 00s/early 10s, those girls are now struggling to keep up with the new generation of pop artists and this cycle goes on and on. The way some users always go the extra mile to discredit everything Xtina's done never fails to amuse me. Fine if you weren't around when she peaked but a quick Google research would do no harm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalay Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 That one stan saying Mariah had to prove her success is not due to Tommy, hmm. I mean people have ears. OT: In my opinion, Xtina isn't cool or cute to many pop fans after her successful eras. She's really talented tho, but she also acts like she's more talented than she actually is. Idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akoaytao1234 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Personally, she is destined to fall by the time she released Stripped. While successful, Stripped pretty much eliminated the public support she had build with her Self Titled. It is also the time the media started to turn against her. By the time Bionic was released, the record company already had other priorities and her fandom had already stagnated. It doesn't help that she also has an openly negative reception from the industry AND the 2008-2010 period is a time that new superstar emerged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev8 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 5 hours ago, Terylee said: The "long breaks" argument isn't even true. It's just an excuse. 1998 Reflection 1999 Genie in a Bottle What a Girl Wants The Christmas Song 2000 I Turn to You Come On Over Baby Ven Conmigo Pero Me Acuerdo de Ti 2001 Nobody Wants to Be Lonely Lady Marmalade Falsas Esperanzas El Ultimo Adios (The Last Goodbye) What's Going On 2002 Dirrty Beautiful 2003 Fighter Can't Hold Us Down The Voice Within 2004 Car Wash Tilt Ya Head Back 2005 - 2006 Ain't No Other Man Hurt Tell Me Somos Novios (It's Impossible) 2007 Candyman Oh Mother/Slow Down Baby 2008 Keeps Gettin' Better 2009 - 2010 Not Myself Tonight You Lost Me Show Me How You Burlesque Express Castle Walls 2011 Moves Like Jagger 2012 Your Body The Prayer 2013 Say Something We Remain Feel This Moment Hoy Tengo Ganas de Ti 2014 - 2015 The Real Thing Shotgun 2016 Change Telepathy 2017 - 2018 Accelerate Fall In Line 2019 Haunted Heart Fall On Me 2020 Loyal Brave True Reflection (2020) 2021 Pa Mis Muchachas 2022 Santo Some are no real singles but it still doesn't look like "long breaks" between albums for me. She always had some kind of output. The only years she released no songs are 2005, 2009, 2014 and 2017. Oh this is actually a new perspective for me never realized she has Been giving her fans music lol I am wondering now if Britney had more breaks, since I always felt sad for the Fighters for not getting music even so, my how the tables have turned.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirrtydiana Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 7 hours ago, Terylee said: The "long breaks" argument isn't even true. It's just an excuse. 1998 Reflection 1999 Genie in a Bottle What a Girl Wants The Christmas Song 2000 I Turn to You Come On Over Baby Ven Conmigo Pero Me Acuerdo de Ti 2001 Nobody Wants to Be Lonely Lady Marmalade Falsas Esperanzas El Ultimo Adios (The Last Goodbye) What's Going On 2002 Dirrty Beautiful 2003 Fighter Can't Hold Us Down The Voice Within 2004 Car Wash Tilt Ya Head Back 2005 - 2006 Ain't No Other Man Hurt Tell Me Somos Novios (It's Impossible) 2007 Candyman Oh Mother/Slow Down Baby 2008 Keeps Gettin' Better 2009 - 2010 Not Myself Tonight You Lost Me Show Me How You Burlesque Express Castle Walls 2011 Moves Like Jagger 2012 Your Body The Prayer 2013 Say Something We Remain Feel This Moment Hoy Tengo Ganas de Ti 2014 - 2015 The Real Thing Shotgun 2016 Change Telepathy 2017 - 2018 Accelerate Fall In Line 2019 Haunted Heart Fall On Me 2020 Loyal Brave True Reflection (2020) 2021 Pa Mis Muchachas 2022 Santo Some are no real singles but it still doesn't look like "long breaks" between albums for me. She always had some kind of output. The only years she released no songs are 2005, 2009, 2014 and 2017. It’s the way they just can’t ever win for me OT: Eminem ended her! I forgot she even had beef with Eminem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suburbannature Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 7 hours ago, Terylee said: The "long breaks" argument isn't even true. It's just an excuse. 1998 Reflection 1999 Genie in a Bottle What a Girl Wants The Christmas Song 2000 I Turn to You Come On Over Baby Ven Conmigo Pero Me Acuerdo de Ti 2001 Nobody Wants to Be Lonely Lady Marmalade Falsas Esperanzas El Ultimo Adios (The Last Goodbye) What's Going On 2002 Dirrty Beautiful 2003 Fighter Can't Hold Us Down The Voice Within 2004 Car Wash Tilt Ya Head Back 2005 - 2006 Ain't No Other Man Hurt Tell Me Somos Novios (It's Impossible) 2007 Candyman Oh Mother/Slow Down Baby 2008 Keeps Gettin' Better 2009 - 2010 Not Myself Tonight You Lost Me Show Me How You Burlesque Express Castle Walls 2011 Moves Like Jagger 2012 Your Body The Prayer 2013 Say Something We Remain Feel This Moment Hoy Tengo Ganas de Ti 2014 - 2015 The Real Thing Shotgun 2016 Change Telepathy 2017 - 2018 Accelerate Fall In Line 2019 Haunted Heart Fall On Me 2020 Loyal Brave True Reflection (2020) 2021 Pa Mis Muchachas 2022 Santo Some are no real singles but it still doesn't look like "long breaks" between albums for me. She always had some kind of output. The only years she released no songs are 2005, 2009, 2014 and 2017. Welp looks like they lose yet again. How sad. I guess my assessment was right! She just didn't have what it takes to remain relevant in the public eye. Screaming isn't an artistic identity, I fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iammadmat Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 Awful music and unbearable vocals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 The GP stopped pretending the screaming is enjoyable I fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outside789 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, brainmaniac said: There is plenty wrong with Mariah’s artistic reputation even according to herself. Isn’t she always constantly whining about how she feels she doesn’t get enough recognition for writing her songs? You never hear Taylor Swift, who is actually recognized for her songwriting, whine about getting recognition for her songwriting because Taylor gets endless praise for her songwriting, the kind of songwriting recognition that Mariah could only dream of. And we all know her vocal reputation has taken a huge hit in recent years. Again, Mariah was rich enough in 1999 to not be in a homeless shelter, but celebrities need more money than normal people because they have a different lifestyle and the expenses that come along with that and Mariah has talked many times about how she didn’t have as much money as people would assume due to various contracts and bad financial decisions. I think you need to look up what hypocrisy means in the dictionary because you have literally never used it correctly LOL especially when it applies most often to yourself. But the lack of self awareness is here as usual And once again, there’s no hypocrisy. You know the music industry is always changing and what is considered a standard of flopping in one sales climate is not considered flopping in another sales climate. Back in the 60s, most albums didn’t sell much so a Gold album was huge. In the late 90s and early 00s, just Gold and Platinum wasn’t considered great when the hit albums of that time went Multi Platinum many times over even in the high Multi Platinums. Even Mandy Moore got Platinum albums then and she was viewed as a flop and people are consistent in calling the albums that sold similarly to Glitter and Charmbracelet in that time period as flops like Just Whitney and American Life. And of course standards dropped even more after as album sales went down again Christinas label wanted her to put release 2 more Teen Pop albums like Britney, *NSYNC, Backstreet Boys and they even had songs selected for her, but she refused. Clearly if she wanted to milk her success, she would have given in to their demands. Obviously a Christmas’ album and Spanish album is not milking success, when most of her fans in America who bought her debut album wouldn’t be into that Even for Lotus, Christina took a bit more time than the label wanted. After Moves Like Jagger was a hit, Maroon 5 released Payphone before Moves Like Jagger fell of the charts to keep the momentum going. Your Body had already been recorded by then, but she didn’t release it. And then for the actual Lotus era, Christina barely promoted it and only in the US. Compare that to Mariah who we know promoted Chambracelet like crazy all over the world even though it still flopped anyway There is nothing wrong with Mariah's artistic reputation. She is recognized as a legend and is included in the songwriters hall of fame. Mariah was super rich already in 1999. And she will always have the money that her back catalogue makes for her. So yeah. She could have retired in 1999. Rainbow wasn't shaky honey. It sold more than 7M copies WW. If Gold and Platinum is a flop for the 20000s standard. It is the same for 2010 and 2012. Back then artists were still going multi platinum constantly. Her GH is also a flop based on your own defination since it came out in 2008. Edited April 23, 2022 by Outside789 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outside789 Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 17 hours ago, brainmaniac said: There’s a difference between a push from an executive and a push from an executive who is a spouse or family member. You know very well the latter causes resentment not only in the music industry, but literally any industry. There’s a reason why the term nepotism exists and why these overlaps are often viewed as conflicts of interest Butterfly came out in 1997 and they divorced in 1998. And we know those eras were shaky since those singles did extremely poorly on pop radio and had poor longevity since they were discounted and not organic like her earlier singles. And the Rainbow era was especially shaky with Mariah feeling like she wasn’t supported and leaving messages to her fans complaining. It wasn’t the complete rock bottom of Glitter, but it was coming close to it and not. exactly the “success” you’re making it out to be. There is no conflicts of interest. Because the law doesn't say that an artist can't be married to a ceo label and be promoted in that same label. That would be like saying Lucy Lawless successs was not legit as Xena, because she married one of the heads behind the show. Funny how a xtina fun is here trying to basically give a man the whole credit for a female artis's career. While claiming that their fav is all about feminist and girl power. So yeah. Hipocrisy. Mariah didn't marry him in 1990 and her debut was huge. She was already without mottola in 1997. Butterfly's singles didn't flop and they did have longevity as @stevyy already proved. And her greatest hits album was also a super smash with 16M copies sold globally. Rainbow was also a hit. And just so you know. The US is not the only market in the world. It's not Mariah's fault that she was able to consistently sold in the 4M mark and above with her albums outside The US on average. While certain Artists only achieved it once in their entire career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suburbannature Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 25 minutes ago, Outside789 said: There is nothing wrong with Mariah's artistic reputation. She is recognized as a legend and is included in the songwriters hall of fame. Mariah was super rich already in 1999. And she will always have the money that her back catalogue makes for her. So yeah. She could have retired in 1999. Rainbow wasn't shaky honey. It sold more than 7M copies WW. If Gold and Platinum is a flop for the 20000s standard. It is the same for 2019 and 2012. Back then artists were still going multi platinum constantly. Her GH is also a flop based on your own defination since it came out in 2008. 8 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loliza Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Lady Gaga and her team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevyy Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 23 hours ago, brainmaniac said: She did not have 7 smash albums especially not when Rainbow was shaky and Glitter was her 7th album that bombed You’re acting like Christina only had a few years of success from her debut and then took a break until Bionic and bombed, but she had successful albums and hits after that and even had a Top 10 single 2 years before Bionic I would never suggest that Rainbow bombed. The album sold over 3,5 million copies in the US alone and 900k in Japan. Chartsmasters: (2017) 01 - USA: 3,500,000 02 - JPN: 875,000 03 - FRA: 485,000 04 - GER: 300,000 05 - BRA: 275,000 06 - CAN: 250,000 07 - GBR: 230,000 08 - ESP: 110,000 09 - KOR: 100,000 10 - TAI: 75,000 11 - ITA: 75,000 12 - MEX: 70,000 13 - NET: 50,000 14 - AUS: 45,000 15 - ARG: 40,000 For her 7th studio album in 10 years... (and 9th overall album), that's great consistency. It's also an album that, as Mariah said in her Memoirs, she had to negotiate with the CEO of Sony Entertainment in the Japanese headquarters in order to leave the label because Tommy Mottola was a d!ck to her and she had to go to his boss in order to get her interests heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevyy Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 6 hours ago, suburbannature said: 8 million. I would agree on that... it's between 7,5 - 8 million units sold worldwide which is a good result even for 1999. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smilers Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 She was lazy. There's no reason she couldn't squeezed a few more albums that would've helped solidify her career. Even a few more spanish projects would've given her an edge that Pink and Britney could never have. Also her songs became too much of a screamfest, that its nauseating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Both Sides Now Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Christina’s last solo Top 5 was in 2002. Her career lasted 3 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Loco Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 5 hours ago, Smilers said: She was lazy. There's no reason she couldn't squeezed a few more albums that would've helped solidify her career. Even a few more spanish projects would've given her an edge that Pink and Britney could never have. Also her songs became too much of a screamfest, that its nauseating. Xtina has the same number of studio albums than P!nk and just one less than Britney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoe_ Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Her personality and her fans if you ask me. I was online back when Back II Basics came out and the way Christina fans treated every other female artist was horrible. She treated the female artist the exact same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BionicWooHoo Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 @ATRL Administration how come a thread like this gets to stay while a thread asking “why do ppl stan Britney” gets deleted just because a few Britney stans got their feelings hurt in said thread and started crying about how that thread needs to be deleted? looks like bias ? not a cute look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suburbannature Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, BionicWooHoo said: @ATRL Administration how come a thread like this gets to stay while a thread asking “why do ppl stan Britney” gets deleted just because a few Britney stans got their feelings hurt in said thread and started crying about how that thread needs to be deleted? looks like bias ? not a cute look And that was my thread from a couple of years ago. Secret Britney stan where? @perfillusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BionicWooHoo Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Just now, suburbannature said: And that was my thread from a couple of years ago. Secret Britney stan where? @perfillusion I have no idea what you’re talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suburbannature Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 Just now, BionicWooHoo said: I have no idea what you’re talking about. Hence why you weren't the one tagged, dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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