news 2024 US Election Megathread 🇺🇸🏛️

[GhostBox]

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[Communion]

20 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

I see we've reached making fun of looks

Not you outing yourself as thinking that poor centrist poll-watcher is ugly when I'm simply pointing out these are not credible voices when hedging your entire argument on the believability of the claim "your progressivism will make Dems more racist". 

 

   

 

There's nothing wrong with looking like a straight white man who knows how to fix a printer in 5 minutes. 

 

I'm just concerned so many are online political pundits with minor followings trapped in a false reality of a past American politick that hasn't existed for 30 years. "You'll miss Biden when you see just how anti-migrant Dems get!!". Girlypops, you pundits were just claiming "demographics as destiny" 4 years ago!

 

So which is it? Future generations are so diverse Republicans will struggle to ever hold office or it's not at all diverse that Dems can go full KKK?

Edited May 15 by Communion

[GhostBox]

The fact almost all the polls up until this past week said she would lose yet here she is the winner 🎉

[Kassi]

Thankfully, I'm hot, tall, and my politics are coherent. 
 

So I can confidently say that your (toxic) progressivism will make Dems more racist.

For example, from a DSA representative:

 

 

 

This is like all of those "black people can't be racist" talking points on steroids.

[Redstreak]

48 minutes ago, Communion said:

It's always weird people who look like this

 

 

okay Hot Pocket. 

 

12 minutes ago, Communion said:

Not you outing yourself as thinking that poor centrist poll-watcher is ugly

? I can't believe this level of intellectual rigor hasn't won over the masses. You'd think continuously lifting up grifters like fetterman would behoove a moment of needed introspection but alas

[Communion]

5 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

 

? I can't believe this level of intellectual rigor hasn't won over the masses. You'd think continuously lifting up grifters like fetterman would behoove a moment of needed introspection but alas

Sister, I can be lectured by a furry but I won't be lectured by a hypocrite who does the very thing he throws a tantrum over and accuses people of doing, with partial quoting.

 

I don't care how this man physically looks, which the bold makes clear. No need to erase it when you can't provide a meaningful counter.

 

58 minutes ago, Communion said:

It's always weird people who look like this who think it's 1992 and the average Dem voter is a white suburban wife and not a Millennial Latina and who make wild claims like the bold:

 

 

"If you guys don't stop criticizing Biden, Dems will become even more racist!!" okay Hot Pocket. 

I do not care if Mr. Drew had 1M twitter followers (are we going to be citing Tucker Carlson's popularity next?); the suggestion that somehow Democrats losing in November would result explicitly in a hard shift right with Trump in power is directly at odds with the very things these same people have said for years.

 

I know you're a Vaush fan so maybe I've triggered something but I'm not an anti-white heterophobic misandrist.

I just want the army of white straight men on polling Twitter to stop saying stupid **** to defend Biden's mistakes!

[Communion]

20 minutes ago, Kassi said:

So I can confidently say that your (toxic) progressivism will make Dems more racist.

You can tell you don't believe this because the same logical fallacy would mean Dems would become anti-abortion after young women stayed home disgusted by Biden.

 

I wonder why that argument hasn't been made yet. Maybe because you don't actually believe it and just make pivots where you know Dems have *already* moved right (aka why Biden is getting closer and closer to losing).

[Redstreak]

6 minutes ago, Communion said:

Sister, I can be lectured by a furry but I won't be lectured by a hypocrite who does the very thing he throws a tantrum over and accuses people of doing, with partial quoting.

 

I don't care how this man physically looks, which the bold makes clear. No need to erase it when you can't provide a meaningful counter.

 

I do not care if Mr. Drew had 1M twitter followers (are we going to be citing Tucker Carlson's popularity next?); the suggestion that somehow Democrats losing in November would result explicitly in a hard shift right with Trump in power is directly at odds with the very things these same people have said for years.

 

I know you're a Vaush fan so maybe I've triggered something but I'm not an anti-white heterophobic misandrist.

I just want the army of white straight men on polling Twitter to stop saying stupid **** to defend Biden's

why are you easily captivated by grifters like fetterman? Is it a kindred spirit sort of thing? Does your added part in the quote somehow not make the fixation on some random persons appearance exist?

[Communion]

22 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

why are you easily captivated by grifters like fetterman? Is it a kindred spirit sort of thing? Does your added part in the quote somehow not make the fixation on some random persons appearance exist?

Sister, this isn't going to work. You have been lashing out for months now on here over Biden's shortcomings.

I'm not sure why you feel entitled to take out your anger from Biden denying child deaths on others.

 

You claim to be a socialist yet don't understand why it'd be jarring to see people with those dispositions - white, citizens, well-off, straight, men - to push the idea that somehow Democratic support of migrants is so fake and phony that Biden failing to win voters will somehow make Dems go KKK on a group who is like a fourth of their voters.

 

That you read it as "appearance" and not identity is interesting. 

 

I genuinely don't get why you're so upset. Do you think I would feel bad that John Fetterman lied his entire campaign? Why would that be on me? Why would I internalize that? I voted for Clinton of all people in 2016, surely everything else is dwarfed in being bamboozeled by a grifter than being tricked into thinking people actually were #WithHer.

 

It just comes back to you having really bad liberal politics. "Hmmm you donated to the guy who ran a progressive campaign but now he's had a stroke and turned into a quasi-fascist Republican, I bet you're going to rethink your ideology now!!". Why? Supporting him in question came from doubting my ideology and *trusting* yours. Why would you want to brag that Congress leaves no room for actual progressivism and elections are not fruitful exercises... you're the one who wants people to vote? lol

 

You have no actual sense of material reality that you think somehow bragging about a progressive politician being a liar somehow.... makes the case for voting? For trusting that elections can work? (*whispers* cause you think politics starts and stops at voting for whoever is running as a Democrat). Remember when you claimed Dems "built power", but now the sole Senate flip for Dems in their great mid-term is a grifter? lol

Edited May 15 by Communion

[Redstreak]

8 minutes ago, Communion said:

Sister, this isn't going to work. You have been lashing out for months now on here over Biden's shortcomings.

I'm not sure why you feel entitled to take out your anger from Biden denying child deaths on others.

 

You claim to be a socialist yet don't understand why it'd be jarring to see people with those dispositions - white, citizens, well-off, straight, men - to push the idea that somehow Democratic support of migrants is so fake and phony that Biden failing to win voters will somehow make Dems go KKK on a group who is like a fourth of their voters.

 

That you read it as "appearance" and not identity is interesting. 

 

I genuinely don't get why you're so upset. Do you think I would feel bad that John Fetterman lied his entire campaign? Why would that be on me? Why would I internalize that? I voted for Clinton of all people in 2016, surely everything else is dwarfed in being bamboozeled by a grifter than being tricked into thinking people actually were #WithHer.

 

It just comes back to you having really bad liberal politics. "Hmmm you donated to the guy who ran a progressive campaign but now he's had a stroke and turned into a quasi-fascist Republican, I bet you're going to rethink your ideology now!!". Why? Supporting him in question came from doubting my ideology and *trusting* yours. Why would you want to brag that Congress leaves no room for actual progressivism and elections are not fruitful exercises... you're the one who wants people to vote? lol

 

You have no actual sense of material reality that you think somehow bragging about a progressive politician being a liar somehow.... makes the case for voting? For trusting that elections can work? (*whispers* cause you think politics starts and stops at voting for whoever is running as a Democrat). Remember when you claimed Dems "built power", but now the sole Senate flip for Dems in their great mid-term is a grifter? lol

Why are you easily taken in by people like synema fetterman and AOC but then argue you've got the political acumen to smash capitalism

Edited May 15 by Redstreak

[Communion]

Progressives: "I'm not voting for Biden as long as he keeps signing off on massive weapons shipments to Israel"

 

Liberals: "YOU ******* TWITTER LOSER IDIOTS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HOW TO GET POWER! ELECTIONS IS HOW WE DO THAT, DESPITE WHAT YOU SAY!!"

On 4/12/2024 at 8:25 PM, Redstreak said:

Well yeah, because they've objectively done more to get us closer there with actual power than twitter brain rotted clout freaks 

Progressives: ".....I'm still not voting for Biden as long as keeps signing off on massive weapons shipments to Israel."

 

Liberals: "WELL FINE, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU PROGRESSIVES CAN KNOW ANYTHING ANYWAY. YOU SUPPORTED FETTERMAN. HAHA. YOU LIKED A GRIFTER"

51 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

You'd think continuously lifting up grifters like fetterman

 

My brother in Christ, these talking points quite literally make one another null and void.

[Redstreak]

Just now, Communion said:

Progressives: "I'm not voting for Biden as long as he keeps signing off on massive weapons shipments to Israel"

 

Liberals: "YOU ******* TWITTER LOSER IDIOTS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HOW TO GET POWER! ELECTIONS IS HOW WE DO THAT, DESPITE WHAT YOU SAY!!"

Progressives: ".....I'm still not voting for Biden as long as keeps signing off on massive weapons shipments to Israel."

 

Liberals: "WELL FINE, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU PROGRESSIVES CAN KNOW ANYTHING ANYWAY. YOU SUPPORTED FETTERMAN. HAHA. YOU LIKED A GRIFTER"

 

My brother in Christ, these talking points quite literally make one another null and void.

 

3 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

Why are you easily taken in by people like synema fetterman and AOC but then argue you've got the political acumen to smash capitalism

 

[Communion]

10 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

synema

Where have you gotten the impression I ever supported Kyrsten Sinema? I at the time defended explicitly the Green Party candidate remaining in the race.

 

10 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

you've got the political acumen to smash capitalism

Sister, that's not what socialism is. Socialism is not individualistic. It's scientific. I don't believe I have any capability for anything. I even fail myself and let myself buy into the petite bourgeoisie idea of elections despite them continually failing me. Socialism is simply the science that explains the current path of history and the contradictions of capitalism. One cannot "smash" capitalism (usually it's weird anarchists who use such language) - capitalism is a simply an inherently unequal mode of economics that creates material outcomes (poverty) to sustain itself despite leading to said form of economics benefitting fewer and fewer people. Neoliberalism is the intervention by the state to sustain capitalism through these contradictions.

 

I thought Vaush covered that in a live stream once.

Edited May 15 by Communion

[Kassi]

33 minutes ago, Communion said:

You can tell you don't believe this because the same logical fallacy would mean Dems would become anti-abortion after young women stayed home disgusted by Biden.

 

I wonder why that argument hasn't been made yet. Maybe because you don't actually believe it and just make pivots where you know Dems have *already* moved right (aka why Biden is getting closer and closer to losing).

No, I was being facetious. But yeah, if Dems lose, they're going more conservative across the board — even on abortion. They maybe won't go full pro-life, but you're going to see the rise of more Cuellars. 
 

Immigration is a good reference because we can track that transition in real-time. Let me explain why the Democrats will move right if they lose to Trump again when they didn't in 2016:

• In 2016, only 37% of Americans worried about illegal immigration "a great deal." Today, that number is 48% and independents are at 44%.
• 55% of Americans say illegal immigration is an issue of critical importance, which is the highest number ever recorded.
• Democrats know immigration has become a bad issue for them and they know inflation is a killer.
• On immigration and the economy, America is a more right-wing country than it was in 2016. Trump isn't even running an economically populist campaign that you can frame as left-coded in any way. He's running purely against inflation. It's a straight right-wing economic agenda. 

You don't move left from that.

 

The Dems ran as a pro-immigration party against Trump back in 2016 and immigration has now become so toxic to them that they can't run as pro-immigration in 2024. That's a huge difference that will dramatically change how the party behaves following a second loss.

[Redstreak]

3 minutes ago, Communion said:

Where have you gotten the impression I ever supported Kyrsten Sinema? I at the time defended explicitly the Green Party candidate remaining in the race.

 

Sister, that's not what socialism is. Socialism is not individualistic. It's scientific. I don't believe I have any capability for anything. I even fail myself and let myself buy into the petite bourgeoisie idea of elections despite them continually failing me. Socialism is simply the science that explains the current path of history and the contradictions of capitalism.

 

I thought Vaush covered that in a live stream once.

So then once again, if you've admittedly done nothing to advance goals, get a politician elected that hasn't immediately shifted staunchly rightward, fail in your activism, what compels people to listen to you?

Edited May 15 by Redstreak

[Communion]

13 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

done nothing to advance goals

What goals? I'm not sure exactly what you think socialism is. Genuinely odd given you're literally a self-described socialist. 

 

Not to quote an icon, but do you think you just fell out of a coconut tree? You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you.

Are you suggesting you marking a circle on a piece of paper has in itself achieved any material, meaningful goals? 

 

Again, you don't even know what you're arguing against. You're a partisan allergic to criticisms of Biden, yet those criticisms are made often by leftists *ignoring* their better sense that elections are privileged, futile affairs of the upper-class, and arguing FOR the alternative of progressive electoral politics (to hopefully stop Trump).

 

So your defense of a right-wing electoralism (because you've cornered yourself into a parasocial bind with Biden) is to try and denounce progressivism electoralism as a failure but.. you've just gone and reaffirmed my view that elections simply don't matter nor move the needle for working class people! 

 

You're genuinely speaking as someone privileged enough to have ever approached politics as "vote a or vote b, vote a or vote b, vote a or vote b, vot-".

You want to speak out both sides of your mouth. All elections matter but anyone to the left of a former segregationist have achieved nothing?

Edited May 15 by Communion

[Communion]

11 minutes ago, Kassi said:

if Dems lose, they're going more conservative across the board — even on abortion. They maybe won't go full pro-life, but you're going to see the rise of more Cuellars. 

So you're saying Biden and Democrats secretly want women to die from ectopic pregnancies? Jesus Christ. 

[ClashAndBurn]

1 hour ago, GhostBox said:

The fact almost all the polls up until this past week said she would lose yet here she is the winner 🎉

This is actually a relief. I could not imagine being a Maryland voter who was forced to choose between Larry Hogan and that piece of **** Trone.

[Communion]

"Biden is betraying his voters by supporting the most conservative immigration plan in 30 years"

"Biden is NOT pushing right-wing policy, you left-wing loony,... but Dems sure can if you don't vote for him!!"

 

"Abortion proves that Democrats are rewarded when answering to material suffering. When they ignore material suffering, people don't vote."

"Biden and Democrats are UNIFORM in their support for abortion.. but also can at the drop of the hat support women dying if you don't vote, you ungrateful ****."

 

"You can't just fear-monger over Trump to win elections. You have to answer to the suffering people experience in their lives and give them hope. Votes are earned."

"You just want Trump to win. Spoiler: There's no more elections if Trump wins. Only Dems can save democracy... but also Dems will become just like Trump if he wins!"

 

 

Democrats are both diametrically opposed to Republicans in every ideological way but ALSO retain every capacity to become Republicans at the drop of the hat. 

I need background checks performed. Some of y'all are posting from the RNC. A psyop! 

[Redstreak]

19 minutes ago, Communion said:

Are you suggesting you marking a circle on a piece of paper has in itself achieved any material, meaningful goals? 

Yes, absolutely. I don't know what about that seems far fetched. Idk why you assume that also means I think you shouldn't do anything else. It all works together, voting is however one of the most immediate actions when available. It's literally what puts people in an office.

 

19 minutes ago, Communion said:

What goals?

Literally any progressive policy. M4A, abolishing landlords and private property, major wage increases, extreme climate change overhauls, housing 4 all, hell I even support reparations. I think you think I disagree with you on policy positions when what bothers me is I think your ways of advocating for them feels so diametrically opposed, imo, of actually making these ideas palatable to more people. It sometimes feels like you want those positions held by only a small insular group because it feels more special that way.

 

19 minutes ago, Communion said:

Again, you don't even know what you're arguing against. You're a partisan allergic to criticisms of Biden, yet those criticisms are made often by leftists *ignoring* their better sense that elections are privileged, futile affairs of the upper-class, and arguing FOR the alternative of progressive electoral politics (to hopefully stop Trump).

Why is being a partisan a bad thing? I'd be this allergic to criticisms of any Democrat whose opponent was trump. The only thing I've ever advocated in regards to this specific election is that the D alternate would be a preferred one, and I stand by that. There's no one else I can advocate for at this point.

 

19 minutes ago, Communion said:

So your defense of a right-wing electoralism (because you've cornered yourself into a parasocial bind with Biden) is to try and denounce progressivism electoralism as a failure but.. you've just gone and reaffirmed by view that elections simply don't make nor move the needle for working class people! 

 

Genuinely speaking as someone privileged enough to have ever approached politics as "vote a or vote b, vote a or vote b, vote a or vote b, vot-".

I don't denounce progressive electoralism. Back to the earlier point on your approach, I denounce acting holier than thou when the recent track record of a progressive victory is openly further to the right on Israel than Biden is. I voted for Biden on the assumption that he would be a centrist, and that's exactly what he was. You posture as the smartest man in the room when out of us two you advocate for one ideal only for the reality to be a bait and switch but then have the gall to talk as if other people don't know what they're talking about

 

Edited May 15 by Redstreak

[Communion]

1 minute ago, Redstreak said:

Literally any progressive policy. M4A,

"Joe Biden has no power at all as president to get us closer to M4A, that's not how politics works, but also VOTERS single-handedly can and it's on your shoulders."

 

How many bedrooms was your childhood home growing up?

[Communion]

16 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

making these ideas palatable to more people. It sometimes feels like you want those positions held by only a small insular group because it feels more special that way.

> Medicare For All is supported by the vast majority of American voters

> I personally didn't vote for Biden in 2020 explicitly because he refused to support a very popular policy like Medicare For All

 

"You want NO ONE to share your goals to feel special"

 

I don't know what any of your own policy views are. I disagree with you because your views about electoralism are rooted in a privilege ignorant how the real world works, to the material and lived realities of poor people and a class politics that is central to what I care about, not electoralism. 

 

Literally everything you feel is... projection. You are the insular group. You are the partisan who defines said insular group not through shared goals about addressing suffering but a perpetual jobs program for wealthy politicians. The emperor is not wearing clothes but don't acknowledge it. So much so that you've convinced yourself everyone who disagrees with you secretly actually thinks like you but just wants what you have for themselves and not at all can be from seeing the system NOT working and coming to the conclusion that the system isn't MADE to ease the suffering of people. "You just want to be special!!". 

 

Finger-wagging at the disproportionately marginalized plurality of Americans who thinks politics don't work and going "well how you'd like if it Dems let some more women die from ectopic pregnancies in Trump's cages if you wanna see how conservatives Dems can ACTUALLY be :)??". INSANE!

Edited May 15 by Communion

[GhostBox]

1 hour ago, ClashAndBurn said:

This is actually a relief. I could not imagine being a Maryland voter who was forced to choose between Larry Hogan and that piece of **** Trone.

I agree. Also she won by almost 11% 😳

 

no one expected that 

[Communion]

Zionism being a cult of losers.

 

 

 

 

[ZeroSuitBritney]

27 minutes ago, Communion said:

Zionism being a cult of losers.

 

 

 

 

Unfortunately the woman who defeated him has received money from AIPAC.

 

 

Edited May 15 by ZeroSuitBritney