Popular Post Canonical Ensembl Posted October 11 Popular Post Posted October 11 POP: +158 / +0.597 HAC: +10 / +0.057 AC: -2 / +0.054 RHY: 0 / +0.016 The PR effect on KIIS begins. 14 2
duybeeGAshantiGA Posted October 11 Posted October 11 (edited) 57 minutes ago, opbranden said: I've been a fan since 2009, so you missed my point. I meant that we're a dying breed—we're not 15 anymore. Those of us on ATRL are probably her most dedicated fans, and we'll never give up on her because, let's face it, we're definitely not all there. But casual Monsters will care less and less over time. And it's already started. You stan someone because they keep giving you music that excites you, something you want to listen to. In the last years, she's shifted more toward the general public. That can work (like with DWAS), but it can also fall flat (like with Harlequin). A solid fanbase is important for artists because they'll always support you, no matter what. But with the numbers Harlequin pulled, it's clear that Monsters aren't as invested as they used to be It's kinda sad but I agree with this wholeheartedly and I have seen it with my own eyes. I have been a stan since Just Dance and I live in the biggest city of my country. I have been particupating in offline activities of the LM base here so I have seen all the shifts. LMs used to be the biggest and strongest base around her first 2-3 eras. Things started to get "shaky" once ARTPOP striked all the way through Joanne and Cheek to Cheek. Members started to drop when every era passed. She picked up a few new fans during ASIB but that's nothing compared to the earlier base. With Chromatica it kept things just a bit stable but that did not hold for so long. I mean we found it hard to fill a small cinema venue for Joker 2 last week when we used to even hire a small arena-like venues for our very first offline meetings durimng TFM/BTW. I an lucky to remain a stan now. But yeah I have seen many success stans move on to stan for other artists like Taylor, Olivia, Billie, Sab, etc. Some of the fans, on the other hand, moved on from pop cultures and only care about their personal lives now. That's just how it is. If she keeps doing this, the number of stans will start to keep dropping (it may not even be a matter for some people tho so it depends), but it will result in cases like the Harlequin's numbers. Edited October 11 by duybeeGAshantiGA 1 1
Uncatena Posted October 11 Posted October 11 21 minutes ago, helpthomas said: prove me wrong if you really need to prove a point ARTPOP app. it had a literal countdown to nothing. 8
IBeMe Posted October 11 Posted October 11 6 minutes ago, Azealia Banks said: 4 hrs 33 minutes! Sexy, confident
PMM Posted October 11 Posted October 11 Just now, Uncatena said: ARTPOP app. it had a literal countdown to nothing. why would you combine those two words 6
Uncatena Posted October 11 Posted October 11 Just now, PMM said: why would you combine those two words the way you could be talking about "ARTPOP app" and "countdown to nothing" 9
Lord Gaga Posted October 11 Posted October 11 If the single is still coming in October she better announce it by Sunday for the latest. I don't see how they team doesn't understand she needs to build hype for a bit before the release. 1
helpthomas Posted October 11 Posted October 11 11 minutes ago, Uncatena said: ARTPOP app. it had a literal countdown to nothing. now...
Arthoe Posted October 11 Posted October 11 4 minutes ago, Uncatena said: ARTPOP app. it had a literal countdown to nothing. Release of the Bad Romance video got delayed as well. Delay announcement was made exactly when it was supposed to premiere on YouTube/Gaga's website.
Jack! Posted October 11 Posted October 11 I think 10-14 days would have been a good amount of teasing time, if she took the time up posting some promo pics, a snippet or two (that hopefully would have got some buzz with reposts) and some video teasing closer to the release date. A timeframe that still works for the 25th, but to be honest, I don't want to wait until then. 1
SweetOreosOfHeaven Posted October 11 Posted October 11 (edited) 41 minutes ago, duybeeGAshantiGA said: It's kinda sad but I agree with this wholeheartedly and I have seen it with my own eyes. I have been a stan since Just Dance and I live in the biggest city of my country. I have been particupating in offline activities of the LM base here so I have seen all the shifts. LMs used to be the biggest and strongest base around her first 2-3 eras. Things started to get "shaky" once ARTPOP striked all the way through Joanne and Cheek to Cheek. Members started to drop when every era passed. She picked up a few new fans during ASIB but that's nothing compared to the earlier base. With Chromatica it kept things just a bit stable but that did not hold for so long. I mean we found it hard to fill a small cinema venue for Joker 2 last week when we used to even hire a small arena-like venues for our very first offline meetings durimng TFM/BTW. I an lucky to remain a stan now. But yeah I have seen many success stans move on to stan for other artists like Taylor, Olivia, Billie, Sab, etc. Some of the fans, on the other hand, moved on from pop cultures and only care about their personal lives now. That's just how it is. If she keeps doing this, the number of stans will start to keep dropping (it may not even be a matter for some people tho so it depends), but it will result in cases like the Harlequin's numbers. I have to agree with y'all. But I think this era could really bring a lot of new younger fans and old fans back if things go well. I just want her to give her best and not give up so quickly like with Chromatica... that era really hurt our fanbase. One reason I think this era could do that is because her earlier music is being stanned HARD by the younger generation. If she gives a great era I think those casual listeners could be drawn in to become actual fans. One interesting thing I've noticed recently is how her subbreddit absolutely exploded in the last few months. She used to sit under 300k and is now nearing 500k. This makes her one of the popstars with the largest reddits, and she has plenty of fan forums to add on top. If she gives us another lukewarm era thoough then yeah I think sadly the dwindling trajectory will continue... . Edited October 11 by SweetOreosOfHeaven 3 1
Arthoe Posted October 11 Posted October 11 In other news, Close to GOD is now also picking up steam on TikTok. 1 1
Dämon Posted October 11 Posted October 11 28 minutes ago, Lord Gaga said: If the single is still coming in October she better announce it by Sunday for the latest. I don't see how they team doesn't understand she needs to build hype for a bit before the release. Why does she need hype? DWAS was released with little to no hype, got good placement on Spotify, and is smashing on all fronts. If the music is good and enough people hear it the first couple of days, hype or no hype, it'll find its way.
Edonis Posted October 11 Posted October 11 9 minutes ago, SweetOreosOfHeaven said: One reason I think this era could do that is because her earlier music is being stanned HARD by the younger generation. Say it louder tbh. I'm genuinely surprised at how younger gen Z (and gen alpha, I think?) actually like her older catalogue, especially her heavier and "darker" bops. If the right lead is picked, and it picks up on social media, it will be a smash. Those JJK Judas and Government Hooker edits go viral for nothing! And with Bloody Mary picking up, I wouldn't be shocked if she ends this month with 7-8 songs doing 1 million daily streams. 4
Edonis Posted October 11 Posted October 11 1 minute ago, Dämon said: Why does she need hype? DWAS was released with little to no hype, got good placement on Spotify, and is smashing on all fronts. If the music is good and enough people hear it the first couple of days, hype or no hype, it'll find its way. hearing that lady gaga and bruno mars, two of the biggest artists of the late 2000s/early 2010s, had a collab together is enough hype as it is. solo music is a different ballgame for Gaga. She needs to garner interest from casual fans and the gp. 1
Hexchromatica Posted October 11 Posted October 11 36 minutes ago, Uncatena said: the way you could be talking about "ARTPOP app" and "countdown to nothing" 3
Canonical Ensembl Posted October 11 Posted October 11 I still remember my poor iphone4 crashed when I downloaded that 400MB ARTPOP app. 8
duybeeGAshantiGA Posted October 11 Posted October 11 13 minutes ago, SweetOreosOfHeaven said: I have to agree with y'all. But I think this era could really bring a lot of new younger fans and old fans back if things go well. I just want her to give her best and not give up so quickly like with Chromatica... that era really hurt our fanbase. One reason I think this era could do that is because her earlier music is being stanned HARD by the younger generation. If she gives a great era I think those casual listeners could be drawn in to become actual fans. One interesting thing I've noticed recently is how her subbreddit absolutely exploded in the last few months. She used to sit under 300k and is now nearing 500k. This makes her one of the popstars with the largest reddits, and she has plenty of fan forums to add on top. If she gives us another lukewarm era thoough then yeah I think sadly the dwindling trajectory will continue... . The way it is so clear that she is having DWAS and Harlequin at the same time doing exactly opposite things (1 is smashing HARD and the other is flopping HARD), meaning if she chooses the right path she can be suprr successful, on the other hand, I dont want to imagine..
opbranden Posted October 11 Posted October 11 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Dämon said: Why does she need hype? DWAS was released with little to no hype, got good placement on Spotify, and is smashing on all fronts. If the music is good and enough people hear it the first couple of days, hype or no hype, it'll find its way. DWAS is a lightning-in-a-bottle moment, largely fueled by older, casual listeners. A dark pop song won't achieve the same success without strong promotion/hype. The audience for her upcoming lead single differs from the demographic driving DWAS's success. Edited October 11 by opbranden 1 1
SweetOreosOfHeaven Posted October 11 Posted October 11 5 minutes ago, Edonis said: Say it louder tbh. I'm genuinely surprised at how younger gen Z (and gen alpha, I think?) actually like her older catalogue, especially her heavier and "darker" bops. If the right lead is picked, and it picks up on social media, it will be a smash. Those JJK Judas and Government Hooker edits go viral for nothing! And with Bloody Mary picking up, I wouldn't be shocked if she ends this month with 7-8 songs doing 1 million daily streams. That's definitely the best case scenario but it depends on whether or not the music is a) brought to awareness and b) connects with that larger audience. This is why announcing 3 days in advance with little hype-building doesnt seem like a good plan... she could still announce this weekend or release on the 25th though. 3
SweetOreosOfHeaven Posted October 11 Posted October 11 3 minutes ago, opbranden said: DWAS is a lightning-in-a-bottle moment, largely fueled by older, casual listeners. A pop song won't achieve the same success without strong promotion/hype. The audience for her upcoming lead single differs from the demographic driving DWAS's success. Also I'm sure Gaga's comeback pop single will try to achieve more when it comes to debut. DWAS ended up smashing but the debut wasn't particularly impressive. I think they should aim higher. 1
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