Marry The Gods Posted May 16 Posted May 16 1 hour ago, Aden said: I would go to that screening since I live in NYC but it's on a Monday night and I'm a veteran stan with a job. I'll barely be able to stay up for LG7's lead single. just pop a nurtec in the morning you'll be fine 1
chosensparkles Posted May 16 Posted May 16 18 minutes ago, Marry Illusion Glory said: ****. I AM SHOOKETH
Aden Posted May 16 Posted May 16 1 hour ago, Aethereal said: Question for the culture; Do LMs consider TF+M as two or a single era? I personally consider them as two different eras but for my fave I consider BTD + Paradise Edition as the same era. This is not about inflating numbers cause almost all of digital downloads, pure albums sales and streams come from the base of BTD but sonically speaking both parts are uniform and the Paradise Edition only had one single that did not chart anywhere with a 10 min long video of her making out with some ugly old rednecks. Where for Gaga she had 4 singles for TFM (3 of which were hits and Bad Romance in particular, a huge hit) and a more polished sound, otherwise she evolved more sonically and aesthetically which can be characterized as a new era. Even Gaga agrees with this. I wonder how do LM see this? Ooh I love this topic. TF and TFM are two separate albums and eras and there are several proof points that validate this: 1. TFM is factually a double album, which is a type of album just like "studio" albums are a type of album. MJ, The Beatles, etc. have all released double albums that are considered sole bodies of work. The best way to understand the concept of the "double album" is to see the Fame portion of the album as the "deluxe tracks" of The Fame Monster. 2. The EP version was only released in a few countries. 3. Gaga herself said she wanted The Fame Monster to be a whole separate album but ultimately had to make a combined version with The Fame due to a business/budget decision that happened in Interscope at the time. 4. Bad Romance is a lead single. 5. TFM was nominated for Album of the Year at the Grammys. The Academy only nominates projects for this category they interpret as whole albums. I never followed the idea that BTW was her "sophomore" album just because it's *technically* her second studio album, because that would mean considering Cheek to Cheek and Love 4 Sale as proper Gaga albums. And that makes no sense because that would mean LG7 would actually be LG8. 1
H34rtOfCharcoal Posted May 16 Posted May 16 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Aden said: 1. TFM is factually a double album, which is a type of album just like "studio" albums are a type of album. MJ, The Beatles, etc. have all released double albums that are considered sole bodies of work. The best way to understand the concept of the "double album" is to see the Fame portion of the album as the "deluxe tracks" of The Fame Monster. I totally get what you're saying but if this were true she wouldn't have referred to Joanne as LG5 and Chromatica as LG6 and Heart of Charcoal as LG7 Edited May 16 by H34rtOfCharcoal 1
Puttanesca Posted May 16 Posted May 16 Didn't those leaked interscope docs also have TFM as a completely separate album?
Artur Posted May 16 Posted May 16 It's crazy that they could've milked both TF and TFM much more. Each era could've spawned at least 2 more hits.
Marry The Gods Posted May 16 Posted May 16 The stylistic transformation from The Fame to The Fame Monster alone is enough for me to separate the two eras. 6
BadHabits Posted May 16 Posted May 16 6 minutes ago, Artur said: It's crazy that they could've milked both TF and TFM much more. Each era could've spawned at least 2 more hits. Boys Boys Boys and Dance in the Dark 1
sunbathinganimal Posted May 16 Posted May 16 1 minute ago, BadHabits said: Summerboy and So Happy I Could Die spill 1 2 1
BadHabits Posted May 16 Posted May 16 She can't release begin her new era next year. She'll basically have gone 5 years without releasing a new album.
Marry The Gods Posted May 16 Posted May 16 2 minutes ago, Artur said: It's crazy that they could've milked both TF and TFM much more. Each era could've spawned at least 2 more hits. She was eager to promote additional singles from The Fame during the Fame Monster album campaign but it seems like Interscope was ready to shift focus away from The Fame. In an interview, she suggested that Boys Boys Boys would've been a great single but the label just wanted to push singles from TFM. I don't blame them since it would've been chaotic going from Bad Romance to Boys Boys Boys and then to Alejandro or Telephone. I do wish they could've squeezed a little regional single during Summer 2009 (Summerboy) with a cute little music video. 2
Illuminati Posted May 16 Posted May 16 22 minutes ago, Aden said: Ooh I love this topic. TF and TFM are two separate albums and eras and there are several proof points that validate this: 1. TFM is factually a double album, which is a type of album just like "studio" albums are a type of album. MJ, The Beatles, etc. have all released double albums that are considered sole bodies of work. The best way to understand the concept of the "double album" is to see the Fame portion of the album as the "deluxe tracks" of The Fame Monster. 2. The EP version was only released in a few countries. 3. Gaga herself said she wanted The Fame Monster to be a whole separate album but ultimately had to make a combined version with The Fame due to a business/budget decision that happened in Interscope at the time. 4. Bad Romance is a lead single. 5. TFM was nominated for Album of the Year at the Grammys. The Academy only nominates projects for this category they interpret as whole albums. I never followed the idea that BTW was her "sophomore" album just because it's *technically* her second studio album, because that would mean considering Cheek to Cheek and Love 4 Sale as proper Gaga albums. And that makes no sense because that would mean LG7 would actually be LG8. I think in her leaked documents from a while ago there was something about her negotiating TFM to count as a separate album back in the day, so even contractually it is a separate project. Then she renewed her contract after she put out Joanne and fulfilled her first 5 album contract. The reason people combine the sales figures is because that's where it becomes gray area with the two often being sold together. And she counts it as LG2 herself. The collab albums are TBLG1 and TBLG2
duybeeGAshantiGA Posted May 16 Posted May 16 https://www.facebook.com/share/r/nP9UCVFg7qQpHQAW/?mibextid=xfxF2i Read the comments. And they are saying that Gaga is not a remembered fashion icon? 1
helpthomas Posted May 16 Posted May 16 6 minutes ago, Marry The Gods said: She was eager to promote additional singles from The Fame during the Fame Monster album campaign but it seems like Interscope was ready to shift focus away from The Fame. In an interview, she suggested that Boys Boys Boys would've been a great single but the label just wanted to push singles from TFM. I don't blame them since it would've been chaotic going from Bad Romance to Boys Boys Boys and then to Alejandro or Telephone. I do wish they could've squeezed a little regional single during Summer 2009 (Summerboy) with a cute little music video. it wasn't supposed to bleed into TFM, she wanted BBB earlier, but they pushed for paparazzi and then paparazzi kinda took off a bit late and became a very nice transition into TFM because of its darker theme anyway. the SNL performance of paparazzi really kinda says it all, she didn't even perform the original arrangement and she was in full TFM glam 1
Aethereal Posted May 16 Posted May 16 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Artur said: It's crazy that they could've milked both TF and TFM much more. Each era could've spawned at least 2 more hits. It cannibalized her pure album sales a lot too. Lots of people who were willing to buy two albums but instead bought just one. Simply look it this way, if OIDIA was released as an EP album of BOMT, BOMT + OIDIA (EP) would probably sell a total of ~35M pure album but instead BOMT + OIDIA totals around 45M pure album sales. So hypothetically if TFM was released as an actual album I believe her album sales numbers would be: The Fame - 11M The Fame Monster - 8M It would reduce her peak but boost her overall sales. Edited May 16 by Aethereal 2
Vroom Vroom Posted May 16 Posted May 16 TFM might have been considered an ep when it was released, but now it is long as some main stream lps
Jamie£er Posted May 16 Posted May 16 She needs to hire a live photographer so she can post cunty pictures from her tours like this one
hausofbryan Posted May 16 Posted May 16 Her social media accounts are all so perfectly aligned, clean, and polished lately. It pleases my OCD heart. (Minus her Snapchat being outdated, but I'm pretty sure it's been abandoned altogether anyway.) 2
SweetOreosOfHeaven Posted May 16 Posted May 16 4 minutes ago, Janet said: June 2024 is ours? If by ours you mean little halseys and little keshiers then yes, it's ours
SweetOreosOfHeaven Posted May 16 Posted May 16 1 minute ago, hausofbryan said: Her social media accounts are all so perfectly aligned, clean, and polished lately. It pleases my OCD heart. (Minus her Snapchat being outdated, but I'm pretty sure it's been abandoned altogether anyway.) this was my first time thinking about snapchat in a few years so maybe that has something to do with it
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