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[opbranden]

28 minutes ago, Mr. Stratus said:

DWAS smashery has nothing to do with disease bombing, Disease went top 10 in the UK and free fell all the same.

 

The problem is she lost the GP being 'Gaga' in 2011/13 so it's really hard for her to get casuals into her songs anyway without big promo spots or collabs, but with the ballads she reinvented herself. 'Gaga' unfortunately too legacy based. There needs to be that total reinvention approach to the pop side of things for her to have a solo pop chance, otherwise the songs will only continue to hit gays 

Yes and no. I think her main challenge is that she's lost the "cool factor" but only in the pop scene. Gaga isn't seen as cool by younger audiences, but they want to love her so bad. On social media, she constantly goes viral for how wild and exciting she was from 2008 to 2011—practically every other day, something from that era resurfaces. People crave that energy, but she hasn't given it to them in a long time. Disease was only a little step and I think Coachella and Copacabana will aim to bring that "coolness" back and show the kids how you do it. 

[Spicy Pisces]

11 minutes ago, opbranden said:

I'm not so sure about that. DWAS seems like it will be a behemoth at least until the Grammys, where a performance will likely give it another boost. Then St. Valentine's Day could push it even further, followed by another surge with the album release. Thanks to DWAS, we'll probably end up with only one true single . 

 

 

Jokes aside, I can see them releasing something, especially since she's recorded some videos, but probably not until before Coachella and Copacabana. With DWAS smashing this hard, it's hard to imagine them releasing anything else and being able to give it the proper attention and promotion.

 

If anything takes off after the album release, it'll do so on its own because by that point, DWAS will still be pulling at least 7+ million streams a day. 

I think whatever she does moving forward will mirror Endless Summer Vacation with Flowers and its longevity swallowing up the following singles. Unless she has an undeniable smash that could chart well, do its thing and leave while DWAS holds strong

Edited Sunday at 10:42 AM by Spicy Pisces

[opbranden]

3 minutes ago, Spicy Pisces said:

I think whatever she does moving forward will mirror Endless Summer Vacation with Flowers and its longevity swallowing up the following singles. Unless she has an undeniable smash that could chart well, do its thing and leave while DWAS is still there

Spoiler

I completely agree and tbh I hate that, because DWAS wasn't even supposed to be in LG7 and now it will be all there's about LG7 promo-wise 

 

Edited Sunday at 10:43 AM by opbranden

[Hot Volcano]

DWAS being on LG7 kinda guarantees another multi platinum album.

 

- The Fame

- The Fame Monster

- Born This Way

- ARTPOP (eligible for 2x)

- A Star Is Born

- LG7

 

And with Joanne being at ~1.75m, it should reach 2x Platinum by the end of....2028? Ugh if only Chromatica did better, her stats would've have looked amazing by the end of the decade.

[Mr. Stratus]

1 minute ago, opbranden said:

Yes and no. I think her main challenge is that she's lost the "cool factor" but only in the pop scene. Gaga isn't seen as cool by younger audiences, but they want to love her so bad. On social media, she constantly goes viral for how wild and exciting she was from 2008 to 2011—practically every other day, something from that era resurfaces. People crave that energy, but she hasn't given it to them in a long time. Disease was only a little step and I think Coachella and Copacabana will aim to bring that "coolness" back and show the kids how you do it. 

 Bey and Rihanna for example have a lot more Gen Z appeal. Gaga seems to have been unable to contemporise 'Gaga' and the only way she is gonna do is a new pop smash to do it. The last time was Applause in 2013. All her Shazam top 10 is all ballads (new) or her old pop songs, it's time now. 

[Hot Volcano]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Stratus said:

 Bey and Rihanna for example have a lot more Gen Z appeal. Gaga seems to have been unable to contemporise 'Gaga' and the only way she is gonna do is a new pop smash to do it. The last time was Applause in 2013. All her Shazam top 10 is all ballads (new) or her old pop songs, it's time now. 

Well, Gaga's biggest Gen Z moment was Bloody Mary.....by far.

[DonnieDarko]

18 minutes ago, Hurem said:

It's really not though. DWAS has all of the GP behind it, something that can only happen organically. If Gaga would release a smash, it would be successful regardless of DWAS. Disease simply didn't click with the GP, there's not much to it.

 

If anything, DWAS success is boosting Gaga's opening numbers because of big monthly listeners.

I disagree. And it's not about Disease sticking or not.  But whatevs, I'm doing Christmas shopping and I'm exhausted.

Edited Sunday at 10:55 AM by DonnieDarko

[opbranden]

1 minute ago, Mr. Stratus said:

 Bey and Rihanna for example have a lot more Gen Z appeal. Gaga seems to have been unable to contemporise 'Gaga' and the only way she is gonna do is a new pop smash to do it. The last time was Applause in 2013. All her Shazam top 10 is all ballads (new) or her old pop songs, it's time now. 

Yeah, I completely agree. I have no idea how Riri managed to pull that off without releasing new music, but hats off to her.

 

Bey instead has reached a god-like status these days, and the Renaissance Tour was absolutely incredible—everyone wanted to be there. She's a master at creating cultural moments, so even if CC underperformed, she still has xmas Super Bowl and whatever else she has planned next.

 

1 minute ago, Hot Volcano said:

Well, Gaga's biggest Gen Z moment was Bloody Mary.....by far.

Exactly. Then she went viral with the younger crowd thanks to Judas. It's not that they don't like her—it's just that her last pop era was five years ago and was practically a wasteland.

 

The pop era before that was Joanne, which leaned heavily toward an older audience.

 

So, of course, young people aren't as into Gaga. She needs to win them over.

Like Billie Eilish said the other day: 

 

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Old Lady Gaga, so good 

[Mr. Stratus]

7 minutes ago, Hot Volcano said:

Well, Gaga's biggest Gen Z moment was Bloody Mary.....by far.

From 2011 (like Katy's Gen Z hits) and that ended up burning out quickly especially compared to other 2022 viral smashes like unstoppable and die for you. 
 

hopefully DWAS wont totally overshadow the entire LG7 and there is at least one other 20 week hit

Edited Sunday at 10:57 AM by Mr. Stratus

[Hot Volcano]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Stratus said:

From 2011 (like Katy's Gen Z hits) and that ended up burning out quickly especially compared to other 2022 viral smashes like unstoppable and die for you. 
 

hopefully DWAS wont totally overshadow the entire LG7 and there is at least one other 20 week hit

Well, Unstoppable and DFY kept going viral on TikTok every few months, DWAS is following the same pattern just even on a bigger scale.

[Mr. Stratus]

1 minute ago, Hot Volcano said:

Well, Unstoppable and DFY kept going viral on TikTok every few months, DWAS is following the same pattern just even on a bigger scale.

Thank you timeless smashes 💋

 

Sia is impressive to me, for a woman in her 40s to have all these streaming smashes. Most aren't ballads either. It would be good for Gaga to have that moment. 

[SweetOreosOfHeaven]

Back from the dead just to say y'all are spilling hot tea today. Disease was a step in the right direction - it might not be viral viral but it is being listened by people outside her fanbase and used on edits etc. - which is why it's stabilizing higher than we expected. I believe it'll do better than SL in the long run. But it's not enough.

The DWAS addition to LG7 scares me (due to cohesion and critical acclaim) but also because it strikes me as a short-sighted decision. Yeah it'll increase her certs but at what cost? If they rest on the laurels of this song it'll further dilute Gaga's brand. With that being said they seem to have a lot of big plans so let's just wait and see. Another single is necessary asap in my opinion, hopefully early january, to keep the momentum going. DWAS will not make this era successfull, the rest of the album has to stick on it's own. 

[Hexchromatica]

I had a middle aged straight repairman round to fix my fridge and I was playing music quietly in the background and when Die With A Smile came on he started whistling it  

[Mariano]

9 minutes ago, SweetOreosOfHeaven said:

Back from the dead just to say y'all are spilling hot tea today. Disease was a step in the right direction - it might not be viral viral but it is being listened by people outside her fanbase and used on edits etc. - which is why it's stabilizing higher than we expected. I believe it'll do better than SL in the long run. But it's not enough.

The DWAS addition to LG7 scares me (due to cohesion and critical acclaim) but also because it strikes me as a short-sighted decision. Yeah it'll increase her certs but at what cost? If they rest on the laurels of this song it'll further dilute Gaga's brand. With that being said they seem to have a lot of big plans so let's just wait and see. Another single is necessary asap in my opinion, hopefully early january, to keep the momentum going. DWAS will not make this era successfull, the rest of the album has to stick on it's own. 

How can it hurt her?    The song is already gigantic sis.. if it will dilute Gaga's brand, it's already doing it.  I kinda agree that people want DWAS type of music from her, but that won't change if DWAS isn't on LG7 lol. The best she could do is add it on the album and show people that she can do both and everyone can enjoy whatever they want from her. 

[Hot Volcano]

20 minutes ago, Mr. Stratus said:

Thank you timeless smashes 💋

 

Sia is impressive to me, for a woman in her 40s to have all these streaming smashes. Most aren't ballads either. It would be good for Gaga to have that moment. 

Yea, her success is so underrated. Dusk Til Dawn is about to surpass Chandelier on Spotify (1.88b), its crazy! And she got herself a real Xmas modern classic, Snowman is at 1.1b streams.

[Mr. Stratus]

19 minutes ago, SweetOreosOfHeaven said:

Back from the dead just to say y'all are spilling hot tea today. Disease was a step in the right direction - it might not be viral viral but it is being listened by people outside her fanbase and used on edits etc. - which is why it's stabilizing higher than we expected. I believe it'll do better than SL in the long run. But it's not enough.

The DWAS addition to LG7 scares me (due to cohesion and critical acclaim) but also because it strikes me as a short-sighted decision. Yeah it'll increase her certs but at what cost? If they rest on the laurels of this song it'll further dilute Gaga's brand. With that being said they seem to have a lot of big plans so let's just wait and see. Another single is necessary asap in my opinion, hopefully early january, to keep the momentum going. DWAS will not make this era successfull, the rest of the album has to stick on it's own. 

Hello 

 

you should stay back 

 

re disease: I'm glad she did PopGa and we were all happy with it. It wasn't seen as lame. It's still imo always going to be compared to the 'darkga' 2011 stuff and fall flat. It's really an uphill struggle for her to get hits in general, the ballads work catse they have default longevity + she's over 30.

 

im a bit worried that adding DWAS maybe means the label saw disease performance and thought we better tweak record. Didn't she say it was a party record? Based on what happens with Chromatica,  I would expect that's why DWAS became the 'missing piece'  but it's a shame they don't have confidence there's something else on this record. 

Edited Sunday at 11:32 AM by Mr. Stratus

[opbranden]

16 minutes ago, SweetOreosOfHeaven said:

Back from the dead just to say y'all are spilling hot tea today. Disease was a step in the right direction - it might not be viral viral but it is being listened by people outside her fanbase and used on edits etc. - which is why it's stabilizing higher than we expected. I believe it'll do better than SL in the long run. But it's not enough.

The DWAS addition to LG7 scares me (due to cohesion and critical acclaim) but also because it strikes me as a short-sighted decision. Yeah it'll increase her certs but at what cost? If they rest on the laurels of this song it'll further dilute Gaga's brand. With that being said they seem to have a lot of big plans so let's just wait and see. Another single is necessary asap in my opinion, hopefully early january, to keep the momentum going. DWAS will not make this era successfull, the rest of the album has to stick on it's own. 

Spoiler

I completely share your concerns. DWAS wasn't even supposed to be on LG7—she mentioned that LG7 would be completely different from anything she's done before (including DWAS) and said DWAS wasn't representative of LG7's sound.

 

If that still holds true and LG7 is indeed "so different" from DWAS, I'm not sure how the army of middle-aged soccer moms will transition from streaming DWAS to something like Abracadabra.

 

 

 

[Hot Volcano]

Once DWAS hits #1, she will tie Janet as the only female to have multiple #1s in three different decades

[opbranden]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Stratus said:

Hello 

 

you should stay back 

 

re disease: I'm glad she did PopGa and we were all happy with it. It wasn't seen as lame. It's still imo always going to be compared to the 'darkga' 2011 stuff and fall flat. It's really an uphill struggle for her to get hits in general, the ballads work catse they have default longevity + she's over 30.

 

im a bit worried that adding DWAS maybe means the label saw disease performance and thought we better tweak record. Didn't she say it was a party record? Based on what happens with Chromatica,  I would expect that's why DWAS became the 'missing piece'

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you suggesting a move similar to what Madonna did with Ray of Light? Essentially reshaping the pop landscape and reinventing herself with her seventh album?

 

Back then, Madge was starting to lose her hold on the mainstream audience because people were calling her "old." Then she dropped ROL and left the entire world gagged all over again. 

 

And... low-key is what I hope from LG7, both quality-wise and culturally. 

[PillowCase]

20 minutes ago, opbranden said:

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I completely share your concerns. DWAS wasn't even supposed to be on LG7—she mentioned that LG7 would be completely different from anything she's done before (including DWAS) and said DWAS wasn't representative of LG7's sound.

 

If that still holds true and LG7 is indeed "so different" from DWAS, I'm not sure how the army of middle-aged soccer moms will transition from streaming DWAS to something like Abracadabra.

 

 

 

This is why she needs to drop 4-5 more songs on the album that sound like DWAS. Makes the whole thing flow way better and keeps the soccer moms happy, ya know?

[Suspendedintheair]

Maybe they could've ether had a  revamped version ready to go for the standard version of the album OR added a (The Poison/Antidote-Live) version as a  bonus track or b-side on the standard. She'll be needing her own version given she'll be performing it for the rest of her career anyway

 

This 👇 comes to mind 

 

 

 

[opbranden]

3 minutes ago, PillowCase said:

This is why she needs to drop 4-5 more songs on the album that sound like DWAS. Makes the whole thing flow way better and keeps the soccer moms happy, ya know?

Yeah, I get that from a commercial perspective. But artistically? Disease was bold, and all the snippets we've heard sound daring and brave for the pop landscape of 2024/25.

 

DWAS is a safe song, and lately, we've been getting a lot of safe songs from her. Personally, I'd love to see her experiment more. I'd even be on board with that jazz-electro-techno fusion someone mentioned the other day.

 

The fact that she was talking about demons, monsters, hell, aliens and all that "dark creepy" stuff and now she pivoted to "chaos" but also "dreamy and all about love" is a signal in a shift for sure, so maybe you are right and that's exactly what they have done 

[ROARyals]

I want a buzz single in early January (maybe have a vid just in case it goes viral) and then a 4th single on album day in late Feb with another good music video 

[GipJo]

DWAS is not remotely safe in terms of today's music landscape, no one would think a pop ballad song all about musicianship and chemistry would go viral to smash in 2024. Find me another song like it on the charts? Or even all of 2020s? No one thought it would smash, let alone this hard, not us fans, not their labels, not both artists tbh, you can tell just by how casual they all were when it was released.

[TedLasso]

42 minutes ago, opbranden said:

Yeah, I get that from a commercial perspective. But artistically? Disease was bold, and all the snippets we've heard sound daring and brave for the pop landscape of 2024/25.

Love y'all but DITS and Zombie sound like songs The Weeknd and Tate could get hits out of, respectively. Yeah the snippets she played in Paris sound much more loud and out there, but an album having eccentric and creepy imagery but being a mixed bag of music isn't something new for Gaga.