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[satellites.™]

6 hours ago, alien superstore said:

BEYWATCH hasnt even cracked 1m 

It's her fault people check out of the CC era, I find it almost LAUGHABLE that she thinks putting on a performance 8 months later is.... needed for any reason? Like, this NFL show is literally pointless lol. The boost will likely be almost nothing, I just wonder what the thought process is? 

[giRLbye.]

2 minutes ago, satellites.™ said:

It's her fault people check out of the CC era, I find it almost LAUGHABLE that she thinks putting on a performance 8 months later is.... needed for any reason? Like, this NFL show is literally pointless lol. The boost will likely be almost nothing, I just wonder what the thought process is? 

 

if you stopped thinking about charts & streams...maybe it might be a little more clear

[PrettyHurts]

I feel two ways about this. The accuser's story sounds a mess and is barely believable. But the way Jay and his lawyers are aggressively trying to manage the media narrative, and compel the court to throw out the case as soon as possible is rubbing me the wrong way. I get that he wants to clear his name, but damn is his strategy intense 

[giRLbye.]

1 minute ago, PrettyHurts said:

I feel two ways about this. The accuser's story sounds a mess and is barely believable. But the way Jay and his lawyers are aggressively trying to manage the media narrative, and compel the court to throw out the case as soon as possible is rubbing me the wrong way. I get that he wants to clear his name, but damn is his strategy intense 

 

As it should be....he's being accused of rape & pedophilia wtf

[PrettyHurts]

2 minutes ago, giRLbye. said:

 

As it should be....he's being accused of rape & pedophilia wtf

True. It's very serious allegations that can cause great harm to his image. This whole thing is crazy 

[Cbreezy]

23 minutes ago, PrettyHurts said:

I feel two ways about this. The accuser's story sounds a mess and is barely believable. But the way Jay and his lawyers are aggressively trying to manage the media narrative, and compel the court to throw out the case as soon as possible is rubbing me the wrong way. I get that he wants to clear his name, but damn is his strategy intense 

I'm sorry but the last bit doesn't make sense in the real-life context of this all. 

 

Are they meant to wait and move slowly...while the press milk it and sully his name?

 

If it's a lie, which is exactly what it's giving, they ought to nip it in the bud and quickly. It's vital they send a message to anyone else thinking to try it too.

 

The mere accusation has caused a sh*ts-storm as is. So, they are 100% right to move "aggressively" to fight back. 

 

Beyond defending one's personal reputation, Jay and Bey are not regular figures. There are deals (like the NFL) and pacts with entities like Live Nation (Roc is a joint venture) that are contingent on his good standing. 

 

This is not something they should take lightly.

 

Spoiler

The only drawback of them going all out at Buzbee, which I'm fairly certain will include lawsuits against him even when the case gets dismissed, is that it could actually work to Diddy's benefit. 

 

Findings and technicalities in civil litigation can be used in criminal cases and other civil cases. I can easily see Diddy's team pointing to the shakedown attempt that was Jay's case as some kind of defense for Diddy and his lengthy list of cases. Especially as his name was mentioned in the Jay case. 

 

In short, Buzbee seems to have messed with the wrong person and now it could torpedo truthful accusations in the Diddy litigation after effectively gifting the defense the "blackmail" clapback. A shame as Diddy is for sure guilty in some regards, but I guess it was serve as a cautionary warning to all to only pursue these things if true.

 

Edited yesterday at 03:10 AM by Cbreezy

[Fleahive]

This site wasn't working at all during Spotify wrapped so I'm gonna mention this now. 
 

All the cowboy Carter tracks made it to my top 100 songs of the year playlist. The lowest charting was. Alligator Tears in the 90s. My #1 was Tyrant which was a bit of a surprise, but it makes sense because it's more replayable than the heavier songs or longer songs. Smoke Hour 1 by Willie Nelson even made it. I love that interlude whew. It made me go buy a harmonica. 
 

The only Renaissance era songs to chart this year were AHAP remix and My House. Maybe Virgos Groove wasn't the career highlight that I once believed it to be? AHAP is just timeless for me. I'll never not love it.  
 

 

Edited yesterday at 03:51 AM by Fleahive

[ToraeGilt]

2 hours ago, PrettyHurts said:

I feel two ways about this. The accuser's story sounds a mess and is barely believable. But the way Jay and his lawyers are aggressively trying to manage the media narrative, and compel the court to throw out the case as soon as possible is rubbing me the wrong way. I get that he wants to clear his name, but damn is his strategy intense 

He's  being accused of raping a 13 year old……

[Space&Time]

I'm so glad it's becoming obvious to everyone now that these accusations are bullsh()t. 

2 hours ago, giRLbye. said:

yep this story is done....Tony Buzbee really banked on Jay Z paying to keep his name out of it. i'm glad Jay was fearless enough to take a stand & fight this. i hope he sends this lawyer completely out of business. He took advantage of a disabled woman.

 

this may ruffle some feathers but this is why i dont believe all ppl...i believe facts.  its sickening how ppl can blatantly lie & destroy ppls lives, families, and reputation like this for money and clout. this ruins it for real victims.

 

A lot of posters in this thread should be ashamed of themselves.

[Space&Time]

8 hours ago, alien superstore said:

BEYWATCH hasnt even cracked 1m 

The BEYWATCH video has 19 million views and THE SAME amount of likes as The Cowboy Carter promo - on the day the album was released.  What are you trying to say?

2 hours ago, satellites.™ said:

It's her fault people check out of the CC era, I find it almost LAUGHABLE that she thinks putting on a performance 8 months later is.... needed for any reason? Like, this NFL show is literally pointless lol. The boost will likely be almost nothing, I just wonder what the thought process is? 

Y'all just type anything in here.

[Space&Time]

Not bad for an album by any measure in this day in age, but especially for one who's only hit was Texas Hold 'Em.

[mariposa]

I didn't rewatch the full ST visual yesterday but did revisit her 2014 and 2016 performances. Both masterclasses even though I think 2014 still takes the win for me

[Burn]

I hate to say this but in a weird way, maybe these allegations happening (and  possibly being proved wrong) is what needed to happen. For decades there have been conspiracies about Jay and Bey, ramping up in the past few months with the "she knows" thing. But there were never any actual allegations. Now there are, and if it comes out that it's all a lie, maybe it will put an end to those conspiracies and make people question whether all the other crazy stories about them are untrue too - and remove them from the Diddy conversation altogether.

 

Then again maybe not and people will still be stupid enough to believe everything they read. 🤷‍♂️

Edited 20 hours ago by Burn

[ScorpiosGroove]

8 hours ago, satellites.™ said:

It's her fault people check out of the CC era, I find it almost LAUGHABLE that she thinks putting on a performance 8 months later is.... needed for any reason? Like, this NFL show is literally pointless lol. The boost will likely be almost nothing, I just wonder what the thought process is? 

there is none 

[alien superstore]

6 hours ago, Space&Time said:

The BEYWATCH video has 19 million views and THE SAME amount of likes as The Cowboy Carter promo - on the day the album was released.  What are you trying to say?

Y'all just type anything in here.

You lot are too defensive for your own good—this a forum for fans of Beyoncé to discuss her art and impact, the latter of which includes tracking the progress of her art on charts. That's ok. We love BEYONCÉ not Jojo Siwa. Not everything is about the charts but they're a big part of Beyoncé's brand and legacy, and ensure she is able to book venues and gigs like the Christmas Show. It's ok to care, and you're not better for claiming you don't. So please calm down lol.

 

anyway…Beywatch hasn't cracked 1m on YouTube despite being the closest we have to a music video from this entire trilogy era. And while you pretend to not care, that will be driving convos at Parkwood as to how to proceed with the visuals, and will affect the prices that streamers offer them to buy them.

 

lets use our brains x

[alien superstore]

32 minutes ago, Burn said:

I hate to say this but in a weird way, maybe these allegations happening (and  possibly being proved wrong) is what needed to happen. For decades there have been conspiracies about Jay and Bey, ramping up in the past few months with the "she knows" thing. But there were never any actual allegations. Now there are, and if it comes out that it's all a lie, maybe it will put an end to those conspiracies and make people question whether all the other crazy stories about them are untrue too - and remove them from the Diddy conversation altogether.

 

Then again maybe not and people will still be stupid enough to believe everything they read. 🤷‍♂️

If these allegations are false (and we still don't know whether they are or not), the public already have their minds made up. 

 

The only way this can effectively be moved on from is if it goes to court and Jay is found innocent not because there isn't enough evidence to convict him, but because there is tangible evidence to prove he couldn't have committed the crime (eg he wasn't at the venue, witnesses give him a bulletproof alibi, etc etc)

 

anything else will remain a stench on his legacy and thus a smear on Beyoncé's brand (if she stays with him) due to its conflict with her feminist persona. 
 

It doesn't matter whether you think that's right or wrong - it's just true

[Flanders]

8 hours ago, PrettyHurts said:

True. It's very serious allegations that can cause great harm to his image. This whole thing is crazy 

The image damage is already done but it can definitely get a lot worse. I honestly would be more worried about others coming out of the woodwork with different allegations 

[itshyolee]

6 hours ago, Space&Time said:

Not bad for an album by any measure in this day and age, but especially for one who's only hit was Texas Hold 'Em.

People can clown all they want but you can't name many artists who were still getting #1 hits/albums and platinum selling projects nearly 30 years into their career.

 

Most acts cool off before then.

[ScorpiosGroove]

enough with grandpa and his shenanigans, where's the damn art book ? 

 

[Cbreezy]

56 minutes ago, alien superstore said:

If these allegations are false (and we still don't know whether they are or not), the public already have their minds made up. 

 

The only way this can effectively be moved on from is if it goes to court and Jay is found innocent not because there isn't enough evidence to convict him, but because there is tangible evidence to prove he couldn't have committed the crime (eg he wasn't at the venue, witnesses give him a bulletproof alibi, etc etc)

 

anything else will remain a stench on his legacy and thus a smear on Beyoncé's brand (if she stays with him) due to its conflict with her feminist persona. 
 

It doesn't matter whether you think that's right or wrong - it's just true

I believe Jay and, in being facts-led, I would have liked to see it definitively hashed out in court for him to really wack the opposition with proof of his innocence. But IMO that would actually have been worse.

 

As both an MJ stan and a student of Comms, Branding and the like, trust when I say that the longer something is left to sizzle the longer it lingers. 

 

We have a sect of people who are essentially committed now to not believing him and want the Carters to be done. So, what does a long, drawn-out trial achieve? Nothing.

 

Because I've been to this rodeo with other faves before, it ends up going something like this: the case gets serialized in the media (with the case against the star being the juiciest headlines and the defense - no matter how strong - barely getting any airtime). In the event the star mounts a solid rebuttal and wins, the damage is done, the deals have evaporated, and they are bizarrely tasked with embarking on a "comeback" or "redemption" arc as if they were found guilty. The pitchfork holders stick to the stance that people were "paid off" for the "not guilty" even when the jury verbalizes why they went in that direction. 

 

It's literally not worth it. Not financially. Not time-wise. And not in the bigger picture. 

 

IMO, Jay, his legal team, and his crisis manager/s have actually handled this almost perfectly. From not settling to emphasizing no money will be paid to borderline demanding a criminal trial. The personalized approach to his clapbacks rips up the rulebook of hiding behind lawyers, stepping out with the fam (while calculated) emphasizes that he won't hide because he has nothing to hide, and his legal filings make clear that he's not playing. 

 

Not to sound all-knowing, but I really get the sense that some of the Hive have long not liked Jay (for reasons unrelated) and are semi-latching on to this being true or more of an "issue" (regardless of truth) so as for him to be purged out of the picture. Like, with respect, what about where this case is trending (aka towards dismissal) in ANY WAY points to Bey needing to "divorce" him for the sake of her brand? (As inferred by many). It literally makes no sense.

 

IMO, this further supports my belief that some stans just don't get how "this" works. "This" meaning Bey's fame, her family, brand, and her sustaining all of those pillars. It's giving that some stans still assess this through a very fantasy-like/movie lens with Bey being the "goodie" and Jay being the "baddie" she needs to be rid of. All the while not realizing how intertwined and mutually beneficial their union is on every tip. 

 

Now that's not to say that Bey should stay with an abuser, but there is no irrefutable proof or smoking gun to indicate that that's the case. So, I really do not get the "he/they" are "over" in the GP's eyes rhetoric. It's definitely chipped at his damn near Teflon armor, but I really think it will be business as usual once this is dismissed. If anything I'm seeing my whole timeline (celebs to public) calling this a shakedown. Especially after her interview.

[Kingdom]

1 hour ago, Flanders said:

The image damage is already done but it can definitely get a lot worse. I honestly would be more worried about others coming out of the woodwork with different allegations 

Nah, not really, The reason why is because jay has handled this perfectly, he has been able to shift the narrative to him being extorted and how he has no intention of settling at all. With the NBC reporting that just came out, A LOT OF PEOPLE think the woman is lying. Jay acted upon it quickly and i think it will set a blueprint going forward before such claims are filed against celebrities. 

 

Diddy was cooked mainly because of the Cassie video. That is really what killed him. Diddy could have fought it as well but he lost when he settled and the video was released. 

 

Jay's case is completely different and people can actually see that. 

[Devin]

11 hours ago, ShouldersSideways said:

i've had a vision....

 

The Linda Martell voiceover begins.... the audience is lit up but the stage is dark.... Linda's VO ends, bey says "With the snap of a finger i'm thanos" (hate that line), the audience lights go out and the stage lights up and there she is, doing her staredown at the camera song, then she gives an energetic performance of Spaghetti.  Shaboozey comes on at the end, bey disappears... shaboozey's part stops... the guitars at 0:40 of AR come in and bey is standing there in a fur and cowboy hat and sings the song

 

*tia mowry puzzle hands gif, zach campbell gif*

 

 

[Kingdom]

2 hours ago, Burn said:

I hate to say this but in a weird way, maybe these allegations happening (and  possibly being proved wrong) is what needed to happen. For decades there have been conspiracies about Jay and Bey, ramping up in the past few months with the "she knows" thing. But there were never any actual allegations. Now there are, and if it comes out that it's all a lie, maybe it will put an end to those conspiracies and make people question whether all the other crazy stories about them are untrue too - and remove them from the Diddy conversation altogether.

 

Then again maybe not and people will still be stupid enough to believe everything they read. 🤷‍♂️

I completely get this. i think that is why jay made a point not to settle at all. Cause if he did and it comes out, they would have used that

[V$.]

 

 

 

 

[Burn]

some women.... were made

but me..... myself.....
i like to think that i was ✨created✨ for a special purpose