cloudbusting Posted March 17 Posted March 17 2 minutes ago, benyonce said: Come now. Anti is a great album. it’s not terrible 1
luxurious Posted March 17 Posted March 17 (edited) I don’t think the issue has ever been her selling the vinyls more so selling them in time for it to count for her first week sales - an issue we’ve discussed with how she handled renaissance’s vinyls also there are significantly more vinyls than there was for renaissance which is good but will also make them harder to sell out of course once she does reveal the cover. I honestly have no idea how quickly they’ll sell out because of the factors that has been discussed: curiosity or lack thereof into the genre that seems to be explored, crumbs in the packaging last time, a bigger hit attached to it, more units available, less time to order, state of the economy etc. if nothing out of the ordinary happens with this rollout within the next 12 days or release week like visuals for example or her announcing another tour etc. etc. i firmly believe she should’ve just had physicals prepared to preorder with everything hidden similar to ren as soon as she released Texas and 16 carriages just because there was an insane amount of buzz surrounding the songs lol Edited March 17 by luxurious 1
Blue Rose Posted March 17 Posted March 17 2 hours ago, GodSaveTheQueen said: My point is that she eventually DID promote them as she was always going to do whether people complained or not. She’s not moving on YOUR time. The Vinyls will sell. If they’re not all sold out first week, then it’s NOT the end of the world. Y’all really have to get a grip. of course there’s someone trying to defend this rollout. you do not win anything 1 1
Kingdom Posted March 17 Posted March 17 4 minutes ago, Blue Rose said: of course there’s someone trying to defend this rollout. you do not win anything or maybe they are actually right...
Blue Rose Posted March 17 Posted March 17 34 minutes ago, Kingdom said: or maybe they are actually right... right about what exactly? that sales shouldn’t matter to us? that it’s not going into our pockets? i think everybody knows that but we can ask for a little rollout. It’s all part of the fun, that’s why you’re on atrl. Trust me no one is taking this as seriously as you rectum hive 2
Cbreezy Posted March 17 Posted March 17 5 hours ago, Blue Rose said: They didn’t sell out until after she promoted. She was barely selling 100 copies per day and then after she posted, everything sold out. People were right to complain. Also there are more vinyls this era and less time to sell them. She needs to move expeditiously Thank you! I love us for real, but the way I am watching this thread with popcorn and kinda kii'ing at the sudden awakenings. Some folk did THEE most moaning at anyone who dared to worry or critique the wasted weeks without a preorder link, now there's a kind of collective worry after y'all are seeing the slowness of the numbers in 4k and realizing how little time before release there is to shift em... and the very rational logic we were preaching about her giving herself more time to sell through stock. Seeing some of those same defenders oscillate between "you're obsessed with numbers"... "I don't care if she sells 150k first week, she has nothing to prove" only to then predict her huge opening week sales (lol)....to finally seeing what some of us were nervous about (when seeing the vinyl #s) has been interesting...and ironic lol. That said, I wholly agree with this... 2 hours ago, Bey'Knight said: Honestly wish the sales movement weren’t trackable. How fast they’re selling is wholly Parkwood’s concern. Bey pays people to make the magic happen, so in a way I too am leaving it in their hands. As a stan, I'll always "care" and "will" her the best outcome, but there are salaried staff whose literal job it is to market her ish and deploy contingencies if things are moving slow. It's the reality of all artists. To a degree, it's almost more fun if we aren't "as" privy to the what and when of what's going on under the car bonnet. Like, I'd much rather just log on to IG and see she's posted the cover and the the promo videos of the CD/vinyl/merch packaging than knowing in the front of my mind that they only did it at that time because she only sold 2 copies after the Parkwood and Shop Beyonce posts. On the up side, I'm fairly certain things will move majorly when she posts + reveals the cover on her socials. Her IG and Facebook followings are huge. Plus, pretty sure other retailers are able to go live with their own preorders once the cover has been unveiled. So there's that too. 2
BnPac Posted March 17 Posted March 17 11 minutes ago, Cbreezy said: Seeing some of those same defenders oscillate between "you're obsessed with numbers"... "I don't care if she sells 150k first week, she has nothing to prove" only to then predict her huge opening week sales (lol)....to finally seeing what some of us were nervous about (when seeing the vinyl #s) has been interesting...and ironic lol. !!! Tbh I am quite surprised by those predictions and even more by some who made them. 2 1
Comedor Posted March 17 Posted March 17 **** the vinyls and country music. We want Ren live album and movie on streaming. 1 5 1
luxurious Posted March 17 Posted March 17 30 minutes ago, Cbreezy said: Seeing some of those same defenders oscillate between "you're obsessed with numbers"... "I don't care if she sells 150k first week, she has nothing to prove" only to then predict her huge opening week sales (lol)....to finally seeing what some of us were nervous about (when seeing the vinyl #s) has been interesting...and ironic lol. THIS!!! Like we know she’s thee Beyoncé but let’s be real, if she had the preorders ready by the Super Bowl or even two weeks after the superbowl I’d be willing to bet they would’ve been sold out by now. Our complaints/concerns at the time were justified imo let’s just hope the official cover reveal comes SOON like today or tomorrow and her team does an adequate push for it. The fact that they are only pushing the vinyls on the shopbeyonce tik tok account instead of hers. Like how can you seriously defend that lol… it’s basically selling a vinyl to people who have likely bought it already 2 1 1
luxurious Posted March 17 Posted March 17 speaking of the album cover I kinda need the platinum blonde hair on it if it’s styled similarly to her Super Bowl hair. It looked GORGEOUS 1
Saint luv Posted March 17 Posted March 17 I honestly don’t see this pushing more than 200k first week. but as long as it’s goes #1 I’m fine with that 😁 1
Bey'Knight Posted March 17 Posted March 17 1 hour ago, Cbreezy said: Thank you! I love us for real, but the way I am watching this thread with popcorn and kinda kii'ing at the sudden awakenings. Some folk did THEE most moaning at anyone who dared to worry or critique the wasted weeks without a preorder link, now there's a kind of collective worry after y'all are seeing the slowness of the numbers in 4k and realizing how little time before release there is to shift em... and the very rational logic we were preaching about her giving herself more time to sell through stock. Seeing some of those same defenders oscillate between "you're obsessed with numbers"... "I don't care if she sells 150k first week, she has nothing to prove" only to then predict her huge opening week sales (lol)....to finally seeing what some of us were nervous about (when seeing the vinyl #s) has been interesting...and ironic lol. That said, I wholly agree with this... Bey pays people to make the magic happen, so in a way I too am leaving it in their hands. As a stan, I'll always "care" and "will" her the best outcome, but there are salaried staff whose literal job it is to market her ish and deploy contingencies if things are moving slow. It's the reality of all artists. To a degree, it's almost more fun if we aren't "as" privy to the what and when of what's going on under the car bonnet. Like, I'd much rather just log on to IG and see she's posted the cover and the the promo videos of the CD/vinyl/merch packaging than knowing in the front of my mind that they only did it at that time because she only sold 2 copies after the Parkwood and Shop Beyonce posts. On the up side, I'm fairly certain things will move majorly when she posts + reveals the cover on her socials. Her IG and Facebook followings are huge. Plus, pretty sure other retailers are able to go live with their own preorders once the cover has been unveiled. So there's that too. I think sometimes there’s too much preoccupation with numbers that it chips away from the enjoyment of an era. Granted, Bey doesn’t give us a whole lot to sink our teeth into these days pre-release date. It’s one thing to analyse concrete numbers like streams and chart positions but I don’t know that the floating vinyl numbers are reliable enough to warrant a frenzied panic. I noticed the other lady turned off tracking function for her physicals. Her stans were probably doing the same thing on social media: filling HQ in with periodic minutiae. Stan things I guess 6
tachiwaka Posted March 17 Posted March 17 15 hours ago, sillycilla said: If Beyoncé has a song like Happy&Sad and Deeper Well on the album I was gonna say Slow Burn but 16C already feels like an epic version of that. I’m hoping for at least some tracks with hybrid vibes: and knowing who we stan (!!), we’re going to definitely get one of these: 2
tachiwaka Posted March 17 Posted March 17 @Devin 370k, king What do we win again? Gift card? Bragging rights? Cécred bundle?
BnPac Posted March 17 Posted March 17 1 hour ago, Shelter said: And US nowhere to be seen. Local they said. Let hope SL can get off the floor and get to that level eventually. 1
sillycilla Posted March 17 Posted March 17 1 hour ago, luxurious said: THIS!!! Like we know she’s thee Beyoncé but let’s be real, if she had the preorders ready by the Super Bowl or even two weeks after the superbowl I’d be willing to bet they would’ve been sold out by now. Our complaints/concerns at the time were justified imo let’s just hope the official cover reveal comes SOON like today or tomorrow and her team does an adequate push for it. The fact that they are only pushing the vinyls on the shopbeyonce tik tok account instead of hers. Like how can you seriously defend that lol… it’s basically selling a vinyl to people who have likely bought it already Yup and the irony to say we forgot who we stan, someone who doesn’t to promote, and in the same breath predicting 500k first week. How does that happen without promo? Also, is the hype in the room with us bc the way the preorders are moving I’m not getting it. 1
sillycilla Posted March 17 Posted March 17 (edited) 32 minutes ago, tachiwaka said: I was gonna say Slow Burn but 16C already feels like an epic version of that. I’m hoping for at least some tracks with hybrid vibes: and knowing who we stan (!!), we’re going to definitely get one of these: Marren morris is a queen! Yes, this is the type of country I was hoping she incorporates and experiments with on the album. Edited March 17 by sillycilla 1
Kristie Kuwa Posted March 17 Posted March 17 (edited) Gosh yall are obnoxious af. Who but crazy stans preorder something they have no clue what it includes? We dont know the amount of tracks, the collaborators, etc Like you do realize only crazy stans preorder such things? And THE + the daily listener gains on Spotify Show that Bey appeals significantly more to the GP this time around than before. Therefore its only logical to assume that things will pick up more closer to the actual release date. Use ur brains hunties and faguettes it doesnt hurt, trust me Edited March 17 by Kristie Kuwa 5 1
Kingdom Posted March 17 Posted March 17 3 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said: Gosh yall are obnoxious af. Who but crazy stans preorder something they have no clue what it includes? We dont know the amount of tracks, the collaborators, etc Like you do realize only crazy stans preorder such things? And THE + the daily listener gains on Spotify Show that Bey appeals significantly more to the GP this time around than before. Therefore its only logical to assume that things will pick up more closer to the actual release date. Use ur brains hunties and faguettes it doesnt hurt, trust me could not have said it better...whew. They are annoying af
SoundsandSongs Posted March 17 Posted March 17 27 minutes ago, BnPac said: And US nowhere to be seen. Local they said. Let hope SL can get off the floor and get to that level eventually. Whoever started the local narrative needs a huge reality check tbh. Beyonce performs well in most of the top 10 music markets: USA and Canada - obvious UK - 4th most certified female, literally in top 10 daily streamed artists as we speak. Australia - 6th most certified female, CIL, SL and Halo are all over 10x Platinum. Brazil - Highest selling international female artist, Halo was the decade end #1 song in Brazil. Korea - One of the top 10 most streamed international females, and was huge in the digital era. Halo was in the Year End Chart for 6 years and Love on Top for 5 years. Japan - She was huge until 4. During 4 when USA abandoned her singles Run the World reached #6 and was a Year End #41 hit. France and Germany - More inconsistent success but she's top 10 in both countries and higher on the artists charts as we speak. Beyonce is a global superstar. No one cares if you peak at #1 in a random country if you can't break into the top markets. 2
Kristie Kuwa Posted March 17 Posted March 17 7 minutes ago, SoundsandSongs said: Whoever started the local narrative needs a huge reality check tbh. Beyonce performs well in most of the top 10 music markets: USA and Canada - obvious UK - 4th most certified female, literally in top 10 daily streamed artists as we speak. Australia - 6th most certified female, CIL, SL and Halo are all over 10x Platinum. Brazil - Highest selling international female artist, Halo was the decade end #1 song in Brazil. Korea - One of the top 10 most streamed international females, and was huge in the digital era. Halo was in the Year End Chart for 6 years and Love on Top for 5 years. Japan - She was huge until 4. During 4 when USA abandoned her singles Run the World reached #6 and was a Year End #41 hit. France and Germany - More inconsistent success but she's top 10 in both countries and higher on the artists charts as we speak. Beyonce is a global superstar. No one cares if you peak at #1 in a random country if you can't break into the top markets. I appreciate ur breakdown, but we can also answer it way easier: Beyonce is able to sell out stadiums all over the world with ticket prices starting at around $200 - it doesnt matter if its Dubai, Johannisburg, Sydney, Kuala Lumpur, Tokyo, Seoul, Rio de Janeiro, Mexico City, Paris or New York. These are things only Taylor can do atm. No other female is able to do that, especially no other female who started out in the 90s. End of convo
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