fan base Beyoncé

[Punch]

Just now, Draper. said:

duh

I didnt know im just now getting into Karol G since B interacted with her and a friend might work with her thats why im tryna know the scale . Has she always been or more recently got bigger ( than Rosalia )

[Draper.]

1 minute ago, Punch said:

I didnt know im just now getting into Karol G since B interacted with her and a friend might work with her thats why im tryna know the scale . Has she always been or more recently got bigger ( than Rosalia )

Rosalía caught internet’s attention before Karol, but she never got Karol’s current success (because it was before Bad Bunny’s albums which kinda changed the game). Rosalía is only bigger in Spain, and even there Karol is extremely successful. But to be fair, Rosalía’s music is not nearly as mainstream. 

[Yellowfever]

13 minutes ago, Punch said:

Is Karol G bigger than Rosalia ? 

She’s much bigger, Rosalia did theaters in the US while karol is doing stadiums rn. 

[Kristie Kuwa]

16 minutes ago, Punch said:

Is Karol G bigger than Rosalia ? 

In South America, easily

[Yellowfever]

11 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

In South America, easily

She’s bigger in everywhere. 
 

for reference 

 

 

Edited February 8 by Yellowfever

[swissman]

7 hours ago, Cbreezy said:

 

Guys, I love us, but let's not do too much.

 

Will never get why the TS thing triggers so many of the Hive when we're having "internal" chit chat. Especially when we are in total agreement that she's overrated as hell. Even beyond that, she's been vocal about how she is following the Bey model of being a disrupter.

 

I brought her up for no other reason than the fact that as one of Bey's current-day "peers" and a perceived "market leader", her music-related output is pretty plentiful (even without the re-releases) and almost all of her activations are music-related. 

 

Meanwhile, for us, besides the side projects dropped between 2018-2019, the last FIVE YEARS has been:

 

* Ivy Park (Non Music): Promoted relatively intensely. Literally the only visual anything we really got from her for like 2-3 years straight.

 

* Tiffanys (Non Music): get money sis! But again, very little musical alignment.

 

* Rennie Era (Music)

- Great album, arguably her best ever. Yet...

- No visuals at all

- No televised performances outside the tour (a first for a main solo era from her)

- Clouded in confusion from start to end

- A doc film that, arguably, still was only lightly promoted and also had elements of confusion in its roll out (will there be visuals, won't there be visuals). 

 

* Parfum (Non Music): dropped in pretty lo-fi way, but again is something taking up time, bandwidth, and column inches.

 

* Cecred (Non Music): easily one of her better business ideas, but is nerve inducing because it will either be:

- all out promo and spamming to the degree of of IVP, with long spells of musical inactivity.

 

OR

 

- another thing she pushes for five minutes and lets fade away, which holds up the release of music and adds to the questionable narrative about her abilities to sell ish beyond music. 

 

I'm all for the "extra" ish, but as the Rennie era (album, tour, doc) showed, people care most about Bey in musical mode. So, IMO, she'd be well-advised to centralize that and push her extra-curriciular activities on the side at the same time. OR simply go absolutely all-out with supporting her music (in whatever best works with her brand) so that no one even has room to complain when she dives into other things because they are so "full".

I'm not bothered you've brought up T*ylor, I just don't see how her releasing a concert film (something Beyoncé has done like...5x now to Taylor's first time [I think], plus multiple televised ones, plus one one a streaming platform) is a musical move that in any way would imply she's an innovator in a way that should threaten us as Beyoncé fans. I get it that stans don't often know the history of other artists, and that T*ylor's stans especially may be too young to know, but in the greater scope, no one is going to think a Disney+ concert film is super innovative, it's just another piece in the marketing-puzzle that is and long has been T*ylor Sw*ft.

 

I also don't think we should discount Beyoncé's side projects from the above tally. Was it just so that you can say in the last five/six years we've only gotten one album? Because three albums in six years (plus a live album) is no unimpressive thing, and in fact if we are talking about innovations and/or things that are intrinsically of interest, I'd say one of the biggest solo artists of all time following up one of her most acclaimed albums by working on group projects fits that criteria better than releasing a concert film to streaming. And one of those projects came with an entire, unasked for, surprise visual album that is perhaps her greatest all around visual work in terms of scope and ambition and beauty.

 

All in all, I just don't think it's the time to fret just because T*ylor has her concert movie out first (after having released her tour film first for a tour that started touring first, too).

 

It seems like what you're suggesting is Beyoncé rush the release of her concert film to keep up with T*ylor, but in fact that would achieve the opposite of what you're worried about. It would make T*ylor look like the innovator point blank, and Beyoncé the follower, which she clearly is not.

 

 

Edited February 8 by swissman

[l2408s]

23 minutes ago, swissman said:

I'm not bothered you've brought up T*ylor, I just don't see how her releasing a concert film (something Beyoncé has done like...5x now to Taylor's first time [I think], plus multiple televised ones, plus one one a streaming platform)

 

 

Not taking any sides just here to point out Taylor has had four concert films before the one you’re speaking of. Maybe the comparison because it’s their first time both releasing in theatres?

Edited February 8 by l2408s

[swissman]

9 minutes ago, l2408s said:

Not taking any sides just here to point out Taylor has had four concert films before the one you’re speaking of. Maybe the comparison because it’s their first time both releasing in theatres?

Noted, thanks. I was unsure of it but when I googled "T*ylor Swift concert films" nothing came up but this last one, not even on wiki, but I added "[I think]" in there because I knew that wasn't conclusive. Anyway the point kinda remains though that Beyoncé has been doing this (and she released several before T*ylor even debuted, too) so one doing it before the other for their latest tours still doesn't add up to an innovative musical move, imo, especially when Beyoncé has put out several televised concerts on ABC, 2 HBO concert specials, DVDs from concerts that weren't even tours (like Revel and Roseland) PLUS a streaming one for Coachella.

[Kalmanta]

2 hours ago, ShouldersSideways said:

Where'd you get this idea?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2-pNAzp5qm/?igsh=dmMwN2czNTE4cmVm
 

https://adage.com/article/special-report-super-bowl/super-bowl-2024-sphere-ads-adidas-bud-light-and-more-nfl-sponsors/2540641

[cloudbusting]

the wheeze i just let out 

[beyonceparkwood]

1 hour ago, Punch said:

Is Karol G bigger than Rosalia ? 

Karol G is bigger on the American continent, meanwhile Rosalía is bigger on the European continent.

[ShouldersSideways]

19 minutes ago, Kalmanta said:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2-pNAzp5qm/?igsh=dmMwN2czNTE4cmVm
 

https://adage.com/article/special-report-super-bowl/super-bowl-2024-sphere-ads-adidas-bud-light-and-more-nfl-sponsors/2540641

I may have moved just a little bit

[Yellowfever]

18 minutes ago, beyonceparkwood said:

Karol G is bigger on the American continent, meanwhile Rosalía is bigger on the European continent.

Rosalia is not bigger in Europe, if anything they’re even. Karol has more tour dates there soo 

[Cbreezy]

53 minutes ago, swissman said:

I'm not bothered you've brought up T*ylor, I just don't see how her releasing a concert film (something Beyoncé has done like...5x now to Taylor's first time [I think], plus multiple televised ones, plus one one a streaming platform) is a musical move that in any way would imply she's an innovator in a way that should threaten us as Beyoncé fans. I get it that stans don't often know the history of other artists, and that T*ylor's stans especially may be too young to know, but in the greater scope, no one is going to think a Disney+ concert film is super innovative, it's just another piece in the marketing-puzzle that is and long has been T*ylor Sw*ft.

 

I also don't think we should discount Beyoncé's side projects from the above tally. Was it just so that you can say in the last five/six years we've only gotten one album? Because three albums in six years (plus a live album) is no unimpressive thing, and in fact if we are talking about innovations and/or things that are intrinsically of interest, I'd say one of the biggest solo artists of all time following up one of her most acclaimed albums by working on group projects fits that criteria better than releasing a concert film to streaming. And one of those projects came with an entire, unasked for, surprise visual album that is perhaps her greatest all around visual work in terms of scope and ambition and beauty.

 

All in all, I just don't think it's the time to fret just because T*ylor has her concert movie out first (after having released her tour film first for a tour that started touring first, too).

 

It seems like what you're suggesting is Beyoncé rush the release of her concert film to keep up with T*ylor, but in fact that would achieve the opposite of what you're worried about. It would make T*ylor look like the innovator point blank, and Beyoncé the follower, which she clearly is not.

 

 

We're in agreement in many regards.

 

BUT...

 

I must stress how much I'm NOT saying Taylor is an innovator for a concert movie nor am I saying The Hive are threatened by her because of that or the mass media suggestion that she is trailblazer in that lane. Or at all tbh.

 

I'm literally only drawing on her because:

 

a) she and Bey basically have the same AMC deal. So, in a way, TS' roll-out IS the template for what we can potentially expect. And...

 

b) there is nothing wrong with contextualizing Bey's output in the broader context of what is going on in the music market with her peers. 

 

Different methods work for different artists. So, I get/expect that it will never be Bey's motif to drop with the regularity of a TS/Ariana etc. BUT, let's not pretend that we (The Hive) are satisfied with what we're being fed in the grand scheme of things.

 

The music, tours, and visuals (where present) have never been an issue, but we're always left underfed when it comes to everything in the middle. I don't think the average Hive would care that she wants to occasionally focus on other things if we were fully fed with her musical endeavors. But we're not.

 

For the last five years, her best work is being left wrapped in confusion and undersupported. The BIG irony being that we'd probably be on such a high from a solid, impactful rollout that we'd buy whatever else she's pushing just because of the adrenaline. Something that, like it or not, ole girl TS has actually mastered. 

 

In short, TS is probably best drawn on when talking about Bey from a marketing and momentum perspective. That's all. 

 

 

[Mitsouko]

Legend icon mother Beyoncé getting me to visit Stuckhole and Masturdam? I love to see it!

 

Overrated heifer Beyoncé dragging me to Vegass and the ugliest venue in history? I hope she's confined to a wheelchair by 50!

 

[MrPiggyMoka]

28 minutes ago, beyonceparkwood said:

Karol G is bigger on the American continent, meanwhile Rosalía is bigger on the European continent.

Karol G is bigger everywhere tbh, she does more mainstream music tho. Rosalia is where quality can be found I would love for her and Bey to collaborate

[beyonceparkwood]

3 minutes ago, MrPiggyMoka said:

Karol G is bigger everywhere tbh, she does more mainstream music tho. Rosalia is where quality can be found I would love for her and Bey to collaborate

Yeah we need the collab. It definitely exists somewhere, we all remember the rumors, surely.

[BnPac]

Bey should perform Listen. The song needs a revival. 

46 minutes ago, cloudbusting said:

the wheeze i just let out 

Hope it helps with the streams. 

[Brikenbur]

HIVE NEEDS TO PREPARE FOR THE BIGGEST LET DOWN THIS ERA BECAUSE IF YOU KNOW OUR GIRL SHE’S GONNA SQUANDER THE OPPORTUNITY! 
 

#NoVisuals

#NoActII

#NoRWT2024

 

[Jon Snow]

26 minutes ago, BnPac said:

Bey should perform Listen. The song needs a revival. 

She should put it in place of Dangerously In Love during the Revolution World Tour 

[swissman]

1 hour ago, Cbreezy said:

We're in agreement in many regards.

 

BUT...

 

I must stress how much I'm NOT saying Taylor is an innovator for a concert movie nor am I saying The Hive are threatened by her because of that or the mass media suggestion that she is trailblazer in that lane. Or at all tbh.

 

I'm literally only drawing on her because:

 

a) she and Bey basically have the same AMC deal. So, in a way, TS' roll-out IS the template for what we can potentially expect. And...

 

b) there is nothing wrong with contextualizing Bey's output in the broader context of what is going on in the music market with her peers. 

 

Different methods work for different artists. So, I get/expect that it will never be Bey's motif to drop with the regularity of a TS/Ariana etc. BUT, let's not pretend that we (The Hive) are satisfied with what we're being fed in the grand scheme of things.

 

The music, tours, and visuals (where present) have never been an issue, but we're always left underfed when it comes to everything in the middle. I don't think the average Hive would care that she wants to occasionally focus on other things if we were fully fed with her musical endeavors. But we're not.

 

For the last five years, her best work is being left wrapped in confusion and undersupported. The BIG irony being that we'd probably be on such a high from a solid, impactful rollout that we'd buy whatever else she's pushing just because of the adrenaline. Something that, like it or not, ole girl TS has actually mastered. 

 

In short, TS is probably best drawn on when talking about Bey from a marketing and momentum perspective. That's all. 

 

 

I see your point.

 

But I am fully fed by her musical endeavours. Yes, we're missing videos, but did we ever need them for this album? Has our experience of the album been detrimentally affected by the lack of something to watch while we listen? It's not like we even ever had a date to look forward to. Sure, we might have expected them sooner and they may have as well, but altogether this era has been a lot of the Hive dwelling in strife because of a feeling of being entitled to visuals rather than the album requiring them in order for you to enjoy it or the era. The music is the most important part and as you said, it's her "best work".

 

If I really think of it, of course performances would be nice. That's literally how I began to stan her, and it's been so long since we had an awards or tv show performance. All the same, I'm not mad about it. Being mad about it seems like setting oneself up to just continue being mad. And if we are going to contrast them, it's not like T*ylor is doing those either. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong again, but I don't think she's done a single performance for M*dnights outside of her tour.

 

In the last 8 years Beyoncé's put out 4 studio albums (two of which had visual albums) plus a live album, all of which (with the exception of maybe Everything is Love) is among the best work of her career. And at this point I'm not dwelling on not having more than she wishes to give us.

 

 

Edited February 8 by swissman

[Rafael]

3 hours ago, Punch said:

Is Karol G bigger than Rosalia ? 

Commercially yes

Creatively, vocally and quality wise, not even close

 

Bey + Rosalía is my dream collab

[nooniebao]

Y’all need to start streaming Haunted daily lol 

 

 

[Starshine]

Ou if giraffe is doing the Sphere, I may have to budget at Circus Circus with the liddo roaches and rats.. 

 

 

[DR0GO]

10 minutes ago, nooniebao said:

Y’all need to start streaming Haunted daily lol 

 

 

Taste always wins in the end.