georgechxng Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: I would say the one with higher streams will serve better longevity. i hope they enjoy its last week barely doing 1M more than 30 despite a bigger debut + 4 extra tracks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildHeart Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, georgechxng said: barely doing 1M more than 7 minutes ago, georgechxng said: 22.9M streams 20.2M streams Math isn't your strongest suit, is it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgechxng Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: Math isn't your strongest suit, is it that's why i said week and not single day. if 30's daily drops remain stable as they have been, it will probably surpass what folklore was doing at the same point by the end of the week. reading isn't your strongest suit, is it Edited November 30, 2021 by georgechxng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agenor Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 33 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: 3.3M ---> 833k (75% drop) 1.5M ---> 754k (50% drop) Looks like removal or bundles affected Adele much worse... I'm confused... comparing Adele's first week units and Taylor's overall pure sales of the last two albums... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildHeart Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, georgechxng said: that's why i said week and not single day. if 30's daily drops remain stable as they have been, it will probably surpass what folklore was doing at the same point by the end of the week. reading isn't your strongest suit, is it They are... when people don't include "possible scenarios" with lots of ifs and shoulds about future. I don't take some fanbases's predictions very seriously lately after some unfortunate recent events, like so many predictions about future aging very badly in the last 2-3 weeks etc. Time is really the ultimate truth teller as some wisdom once said. 16 minutes ago, Agenor said: I'm confused... comparing Adele's first week units and Taylor's overall pure sales of the last two albums... Would you prefer if i compare 25's first week pure sales to 30's first week sales which... wouldn't help with the point i fear. But going by Taylor's drop, Adele should sell around 5M pure(50% drop) to somehow show "bundles didn't effect her sales" i guess? Or would you say... not every album by same artist supposed to have same amount of demand regardless of rule changes? Edited November 30, 2021 by Artistofthedecade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Before the Dawn Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 49 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: 3.3M ---> 833k (75% drop) 1.5M ---> 754k (50% drop) hm what do you think you're doing here? If we're going by first week #s of albums released six years apart then 1989 (2014) - 1.3m > Evermore (2020) 329k (75% drop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
family.guy123 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: They are... when people don't include "possible scenarios" with lots of ifs and shoulds about future. I don't take some fanbases's predictions very seriously lately after some unfortunate recent events, like so many predictions about future aging very badly in the last 2-3 weeks etc. Time is really the ultimate truth teller as some wisdom once said. Would you prefer if i compare 25's first week pure sales to 30's first week sales which... wouldn't help with the point i fear. But going by Taylor's drop, Adele should sell around 5M pure(50% drop) to somehow show "bundles didn't effect her sales" i guess? Or would you say... not every album by same artist supposed to have same amount of demand regardless of rule changes? Did 25 even have bundles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgechxng Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Before the Dawn said: hm what do you think you're doing here? If we're going by first week #s of albums released six years apart then 1989 (2014) - 1.3m > Evermore (2020) 329k (75% drop) the DRAG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Before the Dawn Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 And if we're going by total sales, this is Taylor's decline in six years 1989: 6.2m > Evermore: 754k (88% drop) To match this decline Adele would need to finish at 1.150m sales with 30, which should be doable imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildHeart Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, Before the Dawn said: hm what do you think you're doing here? If we're going by first week #s of albums released six years apart then 1989 (2014) - 1.3m > Evermore (2020) 329k (75% drop) So now Red TV doesn't count as new release, cool. Evermore didn't have physical sales so if we are going with full units to SEA+Digital sales Adele 3.34M ---> 357k(205k Digital + 152k SEA) (90% drop) Taylor 1.25M ---> 329k (155k Digital + 167k SEA) (74% drop) 9 minutes ago, family.guy123 said: Did 25 even have bundles? No it didn't, which was my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headlock Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 5 hours ago, Gaia said: Fan and a stan are two different things. No I don’t stan an artist who comes back every 4-6 years and I’m between just lives her life I like her music and she’s one of the few artists where I own physical copies of her albums. I don’t only like the few people in my signature Do y’all even TRY to think? You ain't been acting like just a fan this past week, you've been in full stan mode. Which means if you're not a stan, something else is motivating your fervor in Adele threads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
family.guy123 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: So now Red TV doesn't count as new release, cool. Evermore didn't have physical sales so if we are going with full units to SEA+Digital sales Adele 3.34M ---> 357k(205k Digital + 152k SEA) (90% drop) Taylor 1.25M ---> 329k (155k Digital + 167k SEA) (74% drop) No it didn't, which was my point. It was a point very well made. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agenor Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 19 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: Would you prefer if i compare 25's first week pure sales to 30's first week sales which... wouldn't help with the point i fear. But going by Taylor's drop, Adele should sell around 5M pure(50% drop) to somehow show "bundles didn't effect her sales" i guess? Or would you say... not every album by same artist supposed to have same amount of demand regardless of rule changes? When did Adele ever have bundles? What are you talking about? Why am I pulled into this "bundle" conversation, when all I did was provide the correct pure sales? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headlock Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 hour ago, georgechxng said: when you put it like that it makes even more embarassing the fact that she will never have an album in the top 10 of the most streamed of all time on spotify. not in the overall category, not in the female category.... guess gloating over debuts with no longevity is all that is left for her. thankfully she still has her +300 songs catalogue to carry her. It's almost like not being on Spotify for three years during her peak has something to do with it, and yet still has caught up and will become the most streamed female on the platform in a year or two You might want to avoid questioning the longevity of Taylor, seeing as she's currently charting 8 albums on the BB200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgechxng Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: So now Red TV doesn't count as new release, cool. Evermore didn't have physical sales so if we are going with full units to SEA+Digital sales Adele 3.34M ---> 357k(205k Digital + 152k SEA) (90% drop) Taylor 1.25M ---> 329k (155k Digital + 167k SEA) (74% drop) No it didn't, which was my point. Yeah just remove the freaking pure sales to try to sell a false narrative again the 6.6M 1989 sales > to the 700kish from evermore says it all if you wanna go the SPS route, feel free to do so but the drop will prob be even bigger. Edited November 30, 2021 by georgechxng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmnfierzig Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 hour ago, georgechxng said: when you put it like that it makes even more embarassing the fact that she will never have an album in the top 10 of the most streamed of all time on spotify. not in the overall category, not in the female category.... guess gloating over debuts with no longevity is all that is left for her. thankfully she still has her +300 songs catalogue to carry her. How are you getting to 300 songs Its ~180. ~190 of you count really everything even the stuff that isnt on streaming. (220 if you count both versions of Red and Fearless, which I dont know why you would) But yes people love her whole catalog and the streams are pretty split. Poor her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgechxng Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Headlock said: It's almost like not being on Spotify for three years during her peak has something to do with it Not impressed. 25 only got to Spotify 7 months after its release and it's about to become the 10th most streamed female album in the plataform. If Taylor has the demand, I'm sure she should be able to achieve the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildHeart Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Agenor said: When did Adele ever have bundles? So you are telling me that Adele's sales dropped even when she didn't use bundles in the first place? So... sales can drop regardless of rules changes like bundles because of many different factors? Interesting perspective... Who knows, maybe that also applies to Folklore-Evermore pure sales difference since Evermore also had less hype and streams than Folklore which resulted with it selling less regardless of bundles rules. 6 minutes ago, georgechxng said: Yeah just remove the freaking pure sales to try to sell a false narrative That's not me, that was the person who did compare 1989 and Evermore like they both had pure sales. Wrong qoute i guess. Edited November 30, 2021 by Artistofthedecade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmnfierzig Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, georgechxng said: Yeah just remove the freaking pure sales to try to sell a false narrative again the 6.6M 1989 sales > to the 700kish from evermore says it all if you wanna go the SPS route, feel free to do so but the drop will prob be even bigger. Why in the world are we comparing her peak with her floor (out of 9!!! albums). Adele only having 4 albums is a massive part of this discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgechxng Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, simmnfierzig said: Why in the world are we comparing her peak with her floor (out of 9!!! albums). Adele only having 4 albums is a massive part of this discussion But I was told Taylor was the music industry and the biggest female artist of the country, how come is she on her floor? And the reason for the comparison is pretty reasonable. Miss artistofthedecade used 25's debut from 6 years ago despite pure sales dropping 80% from 2015 to 2021 to try to make a point so in order to keep the discussion fair we should also use an Taylor's album from that period of time Edited November 30, 2021 by georgechxng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agenor Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: So you are telling me that Adele's sales dropped even when she didn't use bundles in the first place? So... sales can drop regardless of rules changes like bundles because of many different factors? Interesting perspective... Who knows, maybe that also applies to Folklore-Evermore pure sales difference since Evermore also had less hype and streams than Folklore which resulted with it selling less regardless of bundles rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmnfierzig Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, georgechxng said: But I was told Taylor was the music industry and the biggest female artist of the industry, how come is she on her floor? And the reason for the comparison is pretty reasonable. Miss artistofthedecade used 25's debut from 6 years ago despite pure sales dropping 80% from 2015 to 2021 to try to make a point so in order to keep the discussion fair we should also use an Taylor's album from that period of time Put Adele's peak was 21? But yeah obviously a coincidence that 1989 happened to be Taylors peak. Oops. And we then cant compare 1989 to folklore or Red TV which for very obvious reasons did better than evermore and Fearless TV? Okay. Sure. For Taylor we have way more data points. For Adele we dont have that many Also no SPS wouldnt look worse as 1989 has more than 50% of its units from pure sales and evermore less than 50%. Not sure where 1989 is exactly at though Edited November 30, 2021 by simmnfierzig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headlock Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 31 minutes ago, georgechxng said: Not impressed. 25 only got to Spotify 7 months after its release and it's about to become the 10th most streamed female album in the plataform. If Taylor has the demand, I'm sure she should be able to achieve the same. 7 months versus 3 years. Yes those are the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mael Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 5 hours ago, Agenor said: ? A 10 minute song with close to 0 airplay only dropping 3 spots is astonishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Volcano Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, mael said: ? A 10 minute song with close to 0 airplay only dropping 3 spots is astonishing. it dropped 50% in one aspect and 70% in another, that's not "impressive" and ton of streaming playlisting all over Spotify and AM makes up for that "0 airplay" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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