Headlock Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 4 hours ago, georgechxng said: Target, Amazon and Walmart were all closed. Are you really implying that the 3 biggest retailing stores not being open in the last tracking day didn't affect the sales of the album? Amazon... is on the internet 4 hours ago, Gaia said: Oh you're still here? I thought you left after not answer the question on if Taylor still provides free digital copies of her albums after BB stopped counting them as sales. Does she hate her fans now? Why was she giving away free albums before and not now? According to you, there's no proof of bundles helping her, but her stopping the bundles as soon as BB stops counting them is telling enough. Alexa, define straw man argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headlock Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, supertiffany said: Without bundles it wont debut at 800k she will do 16 covers for it or make it 64 covers with free cat hair and signed albums and begging on twitter You do realize every time you add this into your tirade it negates the rest of your argument into troll-ish nonsense. Just trying to help you out here Edited November 30, 2021 by Headlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headlock Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, georgechxng said: Ariana would like a word So you're saying Sweetener smashed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headlock Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 4 hours ago, Gaia said: Sis, there was no need to make this claim if you WEREN'T trying to state that. Get a grip. The stops you're trying to pull aren't cute. Most major retailers were closed this year as well. You ARE being dismissive of the pandemic and you aren't even accurate when doing so. Your exit is appreciated! Your pathetic straw mans are not funny, when you damn well know things were not as opened up in the US last July as they are now. Sit down before you try to drag a geopolitical disaster into this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headlock Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Gaia said: Retail stores were open during the start of the pandemic July wasn't the start of the pandemic 2 hours ago, Gaia said: Restrictions didn't include grocery (Target, Walmart, etc.) stores. Sorry but her album was not any less available due to COVID. What stores were closed in July of 2020 that stunted her sales? What stores was Folklore being sold in in July 2020 2 hours ago, Gaia said: No one is playing dumb, just not falling for any dumb excuses. COVID was as real in 2020 as it is in 2021. There were more US deaths from COVID in 2021 than 2020. Again, stop using COVID as an excuse. It's still very real and honestly pathetic. Did you miss the part about mass vaccinations and nearly all restrictions and closures being lifted Folklore was literally called a pandemic album, in fact the quintessential one: Quote Folklore was contextualized as a lockdown project upon release,[261] and earned a reputation as the archetypal quarantine album.[262] The Guardian opined that Folklore was a respite from chaotic events.[67] The Daily Telegraph called it "an exquisite, empathetic lockdown triumph".[57] NME wrote the album will be remembered as "the quintessential lockdown album" that "felt like the perfect accompaniment for the weird loneliness" of 2020.[263][172] Insider stated that Folklore would be known as "lockdown's one true masterpiece".[150] Rolling Stone said the album may go down in history as "the definitive quarantine album" for providing comfort and catharsis "just when we needed it most".[149] Billboard proclaimed that Folklore would be cherished as one of Swift's most influential albums.[6] Uproxx noted how Folklore changed the tone of music in 2020,[264] and its impact on the year's cultural landscape "can't be measured".[153] Clash credited Swift with softening the tragic start of 2020s, by using a "wintery album released smack in the middle of summer" that encouraged listeners to introspect.[265] In a list awarding the most creative works that shaped quarantine, Vulture labeled Folklore as 2020's "Best Breakdown in Musical Form" for addressing loneliness and related thoughts.[266] Voguelisted the album amongst the best moments of lockdown culture.[267] The Week called it "the first great pandemic art" for setting "a high bar" for future pandemic-inspired projects.[268]Financial Times called it "the first great lockdown album",[269] while Hot Press termed it "the first great album of the lockdown era".[270] Judging from its acclaim and commercial success, Tom Hull concluded that Swift "caught the spirit of the times" with Folklore.[271] Billboard named Folklore and Evermore as the best examples of innovative albums from artists who amended their creative process during the pandemic.[272] Arre said Swift became the voice of 2020 by touching "the core of a cultural crisis" with albums that embody a historic pandemic, and pondered if "we will be able to listen to Folklore and Evermore without being reminded of 2020".[144] Acknowledging it was released during the pandemic is not an excuse, it's a factual detail. Adele's album is not referred to as a lockdown album, because we are not in lockdown. COVID is still raging, but the world's perception is not like it was a year ago, as we are now in the vaccination process. We did not have vaccines in July 2020. The outlook was entirely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headlock Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Alex21kw said: I still don't understand the Evermore "no physical or vinyl sales during first week" argument. Yes, that's true - it had no physical sales or vinyls, but even if we artificially added the 102k physical sales from week 2 and the 100k+ vinyls from when they shipped (which is wrong because the extra wait added more to those numbers), that makes for about 500k in the debut week. Which is basically top tier numbers for the post-bundle era. Only Drake, Taylor herself and Adele did more. So what's the problem? I remember defending Taylor in the HDD threads when Evermore debuted and many of her fans were saying that those were amazing numbers post-bundles and we just have to adjust to the new reality of not having huge numbers anymore, especially after Ariana did like below 200k with her last album, which was a steep decline from her previous album. I do believe Taylor will do more than 800k with her next big studio release, for a couple of reasons: - streaming will only increase and she's the biggest female artist on streaming (amazing feat considering she was far behind others a few years ago) - vinyl sales will only become bigger and she has a very loyal fanbase (deservedly so) - her hype will be huge because she will be done with the re-recordings which is basically like a Greatest Hits tour de force, reminding everyone how good of an artist she is and introducing Gen Z (huge streaming source) to her biggest hits. It's like Superbowl on steroids every few months and it will do wonders for her. Again, this is all her merit - she's the only popular artist who could pull this off. Taylor is much more ambitious than Adele from a commercial standpoint and consequently a more interesting artist to follow on the charts, because she likes to feed the masses. This is why I'm not surprised by the Red TV numbers - the hype was through the roof, ATW 10 is literally her best song ever and reaching number 1 with it is a historic achievement (and the most impressive pop culture moment of the year in my opinion). So this argument about "600k no bundles WiTh a ReReCOrding!!" makes no sense to me. It's exactly because it's a rerecording of Red that people listened: they listened because of nostalgia, because it's a beloved album, because it's significant in pop culture and because the material was great. For example, 1 by the Beatles smashed effortlessly in 2000 because of nostalgia and because it reintroduced so many people to their hits. That being said, at the moment, Adele is still the biggest player in the game in terms of overall numbers. It makes no sense to compare 30's numbers with Folklore, Scorpion, Reputation, Divide, Views or whatever big album came before it. That was a different market. So yes, Adele naturally declined in popularity, but also let's let Adele have her moment - it only comes once in a blue moon anyway. She won't begin to release every 2-3 years just to nurture a streaming fanbase and probably her next album will come in at least 5 years and will see an even bigger decline. 2 hours ago, Alex21kw said: All in all, Adele made headlines this week with a gigantic debut week for her new album and that's what people will take from this, not details about numbers of units. She also did this with a non-commercial, personal and very good body of work. Congrats Also, Taylor made headlines these weeks with breaking the record for the longest number 1 hit in history - with a fan favourite nonetheless! Congrats These ladies are killing it! Let's pin these comments to the top of the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byzantium Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 37 minutes ago, supertiffany said: Without bundles it wont debut at 800k she will do 16 covers for it or make it 64 covers with free cat hair and signed albums and begging on twitter The fact that you have to live in hypotheticals is a little sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleanromantic Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 OTH becoming COVID deniers and conspiracy theorists just to discredit Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mael Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 ATWTMTVFTV'S hold is so impressive, no one else is doing it like Her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katamari Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Bad habits top ten for 20 weeks surprised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rep2000 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 5 hours ago, Gaia said: Retail stores were open during the start of the pandemic People still got groceries and went shopping in 2020. What even is this excuse? Restrictions didn't include grocery (Target, Walmart, etc.) stores. Sorry but her album was not any less available due to COVID. What stores were closed in July of 2020 that stunted her sales? No one is playing dumb, just not falling for any dumb excuses. COVID was as real in 2020 as it is in 2021. There were more US deaths from COVID in 2021 than 2020. Again, stop using COVID as an excuse. It's still very real and honestly pathetic. 1. July was not "during the start of the pandemic". 2. There are no physical copies of folklore in stores in July 2020 . 3. It's really pathetic of you not to understand these simple points tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAN Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 6 hours ago, Virtual_Insanity said: Covid is actually far worse NOW than it was when Folklore dropped. Covids worse now? the vaccine didn’t even exist then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptique Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 22 minutes ago, Katamari said: Bad habits top ten for 20 weeks surprised? Shivers and Oh My God both top5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptique Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 9 hours ago, Sept said: this is why a certain fanbase is mad.. they aint getting organic GP-loved smash anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supertiffany Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, Cryptique said: this is why a certain fanbase is mad.. they aint getting organic GP-loved smash anymore no 39 cents, no remixes, no signed albums, no cat hair, and no begging did that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitasss_vlc Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Maybe her label expected more... But if that was the case they could have tried to push it harder, for sure they had some idea of how sales were going... If they were worried they could have improvised some interviews, re-air the CBS special or something... But they didnt, so I guess they are more than happy with the results And Adele literally disappeared after the release date, proving she doesnt give a damn about sales once again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ger.vaz Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 So Taylor is the real Music industry, wbk. Suffer OTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlamSlam Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 14 hours ago, Gaia said: #1 song in streaming #1 song in sales #1 song on radio #1 album on BB200 with 839k and no bundles #1 pure selling album after 1 week The way Swifties are having to break their necks trying to convince this is an underperforming era for Adele. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbeatxx Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 This still going after 28 pages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paola Bracho Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 41 minutes ago, Ger.vaz said: So Taylor is the real Music industry, wbk. Suffer OTH But she can't even touch Adele without bundles and she can't even score more than 1 week at #1 with her singles that free drop after 2-3 weeks. Lying doesn't really help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillingYourCareer Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) We love a multi-week #1 obtained with no remixes or discounts or digitally signed copies Edited November 30, 2021 by KillingYourCareer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillingYourCareer Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 14 hours ago, Gaia said: #1 song in streaming #1 song in sales #1 song on radio #1 album on BB200 with 839k and no bundles #1 pure selling album after 1 week The way Swifties are having to break their necks trying to convince this is an underperforming era for Adele. I don't see anyone else but stan twitter'd Taylor stans claiming it flopped, it's giving vicariously living through her achievements at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 what is the latest straw? is it still the bundles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 3 hours ago, blackbeatxx said: This still going after 28 pages looks like you contributed to 1 whole page of those 28 gaia and george to 2 pages each Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberto Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 10 hours ago, simmnfierzig said: What is going on with the OTHs. My god Wonder what excuses they will find if TS10 debuts with 800k Nothing, literally. More like the OAHs doing the most, which are also mostly Swifties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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