getback Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Sinister said: Radio has way much more weight than sales in 2019. People STILL discover songs through radio. Like are yall not from the USA? Radio is still massive. the chart is about popularity, the biggest song. You know a song is huge when it is all over the radio Theres a reason why people will tell you "I thought this song was bigger because I heard it on the radio all the time." Radio is linked to popularity in the US and that's just not going to change Radio is PASSIVE consumption and does NOT reflect actual popularity. if a song is popular on radio AND the audience actually response to it, then it will reflect on stream and sales. due to payola and whatever, the radio is always spamming some songs the audience doesn't actually give a **** about, and those songs are not actually the most popular ones. removing radio is the best way to improve accuracy of the charts.
lipes Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 I'm not a fan of not counting radio, but I really appreciate how transparent they're with numbers. I'd love to see past weeks, as they're tracking them but there's no way to look at the old charts, wonder if we can do it on the future?
lipes Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, getback said: Radio is PASSIVE consumption and does NOT reflect actual popularity. if a song is popular on radio AND the audience actually response to it, then it will reflect on stream and sales. due to payola and whatever, the radio is always spamming some songs the audience doesn't actually give a **** about, and those songs are not actually the most popular ones. removing radio is the best way to improve accuracy of the charts. I get it, but at the same time even streaming could be passive sometimes. There's no way a song is big on streaming without getting into the big Spotify playlists. Put a song on TTH and watch it rise on the next day, remove it and watch it fall... not as passive as radio, but not that different tbh.
getback Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, lipes said: I get it, but at the same time even streaming could be passive sometimes. There's no way a song is big on streaming without getting into the big Spotify playlists. Put a song on TTH and watch it rise on the next day, remove it and watch it fall... not as passive as radio, but not that different tbh. it's totally different. the audience has the option to skip the songs, and getting featured on playlist is merely a promo tool for audience to discover it, just like having the songs performed on TV. there's a lot of songs that got featured on big playlists but still ended up flopping because the audience never cared to keep streaming it or buying it.
Sinister Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 1 minute ago, lipes said: I get it, but at the same time even streaming could be passive sometimes. There's no way a song is big on streaming without getting into the big Spotify playlists. Put a song on TTH and watch it rise on the next day, remove it and watch it fall... not as passive as radio, but not that different tbh. Exactly there is manipulation all around Just like discounting singles cause them to increase on iTunes and getting those ad placements caused them to increase Just like YouTube has an algorithm and will literally place certain songs to play next after a video you watch... The UK If someone doesnt want to listen to a song they can change the radio station or put the aux cord in Radio has seen the rise and fall of all other forms of music consumption and yet it has remained relevant all these years later You might as well ban songs and radio stations if that is the case
lipes Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, getback said: it's totally different. the audience has the option to skip the songs, and getting featured on playlist is merely a promo tool for audience to discover it, just like having the songs performed on TV. there's a lot of songs that got featured on big playlists but still ended up flopping because the audience never cared to keep streaming it or buying it. I get that it's not the same thing, but I don't think it's merely a promo tool. For me personally, I use Spotify and I only listen to my own playlists, but that's not the case for a lot of people. I have friends that always just put a Spotify-created playlist and don't even bother to skip songs. And like @Sinister pointed out above, if the point is 'you can skip the song so you're not forced to listen', well, you can change the radio station too.
Fa1x intelectual Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 4 hours ago, getback said: is this like a daily chart? Yes
Gossip_Boy Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 A chart that doesn't count radio is already superior. Now if they also block bundles from counting towards their album chart, their charts will be perfect.
getback Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 19 hours ago, lipes said: I get that it's not the same thing, but I don't think it's merely a promo tool. For me personally, I use Spotify and I only listen to my own playlists, but that's not the case for a lot of people. I have friends that always just put a Spotify-created playlist and don't even bother to skip songs. And like @Sinister pointed out above, if the point is 'you can skip the song so you're not forced to listen', well, you can change the radio station too. even if you change the radio station, the song play still counts if you skip a song, it won't be counted totally different
Kyle-x Posted July 5, 2019 Posted July 5, 2019 Why is the Kygo x Whitney song #81 on the albums chart
Lipgloss Posted July 5, 2019 Posted July 5, 2019 On 7/3/2019 at 12:31 PM, lipes said: I get that it's not the same thing, but I don't think it's merely a promo tool. For me personally, I use Spotify and I only listen to my own playlists, but that's not the case for a lot of people. I have friends that always just put a Spotify-created playlist and don't even bother to skip songs. And like @Sinister pointed out above, if the point is 'you can skip the song so you're not forced to listen', well, you can change the radio station too. This. Users here consume music differently. I rarely listen to a Playlist by somebody else. It's usually my own, or the Daily Mix, which is filled with songs that I have listened to in the past. A lot of people just put on a Playlist and listen to whatever. It actually shocked me when I would hear a song on their Playlist and be like "I love this song!" for them to only not have a clue who sang it.
jdmc219 Posted January 20, 2021 Posted January 20, 2021 So question. Why are pure sales for the Rolling Stone chart different from the Billboard 200??
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