Which artists careers do you feel relies heavily on PR, compared to others who have greater success?

For example, Ice Spice. She was called "the Peoples Princess of Rap" by Billboard in 2023 when she was a one moderate-hit wonder at best and her peers like Megan, Doja, Glorilla, etc, had accomplished so much more. Her entire online presence was bizarrely bigger than any success she had in music, even collaborating and being buddies with Taylor Swift.

Another example, Beyonce and her "artistry". Billboard published that list that named Beyonce the 5th "greatest songwriter of the 21st century" much to the surprise of the public, with the list apparently being based on the number of songs one was credited for, and nothing to do with quality of work. Beyoncé's Renaissance album is widely noted as the album with the most writers that contributed to an album, in the history of music, with 104 people being credited or borrowed from. A true or great songwriter would never have their name tied to such a monstrosity of an industry-group project.

Other examples?

5 minutes ago, James_Joint said:

For example, Ice Spice. She was called "the Peoples Princess of Rap" by Billboard in 2023 when she was a one moderate-hit wonder at best

"Apparently" it's site that publishes charts what criteria did think they were gonna use. They do articles like that all the time why act obtuse because it's Beyoncé

I hate to say it because I love her but Billie Eilish. From Ocean Eyes until today, it's all giving board room marketing decisions

beyonce.

Every big pop careers are PR driven but you made this thread just to say Beyoncé but added Ice Spice first to make it less obvious

Edited Saturday at 10:40 PM1 day by Kern

Taylor by far

1 minute ago, Kern said:

Every big pop careers are PR driven but you made this thread just to say Beyoncé but added Ice Spice first to make it less obvious

The way it wasn't even subtle. They're notorious for trolling Beyoncé, so they had to find a way to write some nonsense about her artistry.

OT: Literally Taylor and we all know it.

7 minutes ago, Kern said:

Every big pop careers are PR driven but you made this thread just to say Beyoncé but added Ice Spice first to make it less obvious

Well yeah, but it still doesn't negate my point.

I dig the Beyoncé love here because GREAT PR is taking the natural materials / talent that already exist and bringing it to rooms where it has the potential to thrive once exposed. ATRL is primarily a stagnant room of predominantly-white, slightly-uncultured, high-key xenophobic European people who don't often check for sounds like R&B and think every Black person is the same, so for her to be able to sell hundreds of dollars in tour tickets to so many of you users in Europe (the tour thread is still open - we have the receipts), and then the cover slips in threads like this and you reveal you think it's all gimmickry, it either means the PR must be working or someone isn't telling the truth about their musical tastes.

Beyoncé is a vocalist and her main goal is to sing: I'm sure we can put her on a stage with a mic and a light and see why she's who people say she is. That's what great PR should do.

I can't say the same for many of the other names here. Many imposters: rappers with no bars and vocalists with no vocals.

OT: Rihanna & Pink.

I'm always wary of people who enter the game marketed as the "anti-someone" (Pink was "anti-Britney") or the second coming of someone (does the "Bajan Beyoncé" moniker ring any bells?).

While their staying power and branding allowed these two to thrive in the game and pivot away from their initial titles while their fellow "second-coming" and "anti" competitors lost their marquee artist status one by one (Avril Lavigne, Christina Aguilera, Christina Milian, Teairra Mari, Jessica Simpson, Mandy Moore), how these two came into the game and the PR chess moves they approved have lasting effects on how they continue to be perceived.

Edited yesterday at 12:11 AM1 day by trainsskyscrapers

beyonce and everybody knows it

20 minutes ago, Icarus said:

I hate to say it because I love her but Billie Eilish. From Ocean Eyes until today, it's all giving board room marketing decisions

Tree Paine would have a heart attack if she tried to be Billie's PR. Especially from Billie's teenager years where she was fighting random rappers on the daily.

Everyone that has made it to huge success

Beyonce

1 minute ago, Diocles said:

Beyonce

Lady Gaga

Beyoncé is the obvious answer.

Not to say she owes her entire career to PR, but PR definitely makes her career look considerably bigger than it factually is.

I disagree with the second paragraph. Collaboration is a beautiful thing.

Lol the obvious answer is Taylor. Time to close this thread.

7 minutes ago, peterstyles13 said:

but PR definitely makes her career look considerably bigger than it factually is.

The irony of this coming from a swiftie of all people

5 minutes ago, peterstyles13 said:

Beyoncé is the obvious answer.

Not to say she owes her entire career to PR, but PR definitely makes her career look considerably bigger than it factually is.

"Beyoncé is the obvious answer"

Beyoncé is the obvious answer

Literally all of them lmao, you could make an example of pretty much anything and anyone.

• Overly obvious label constructions like Ava Max, Benson Boone, Sombr, etc. They don't really serve any interesting music, but they have a great marketing team (maybe not Ava Max).

• Travis Scott with his various collabs with things like McDonald's and Fortnite.

• Selena Gomez staying relevant through online drama and speculations.

• Most of this sites' fave pop girls for obvious reasons like:

  • Taylor Swift's every move

  • Beyoncé's every move

  • Lady Gaga during her peak especially.

• Kanye because he's just a lolcow and a ragebaiter now, but keeps serving music nobody wants to hear.

It would be waaaay easier to mention artists with commercial success that doesn't rely on PR. Not sure if it even exists if we're talking popular mainstream artists.

Edited Saturday at 11:26 PM1 day by Pheromosa
found a better pic tehe