Vixen Eyes Posted May 23 Posted May 23 1 hour ago, ShadeIena said: Every Taylor Swift album *after 1989
WhateverYouWant Posted May 23 Posted May 23 2 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said: You don't have to defend her or stick your neck out for her, but you shouldn't let public perception make you miss out on potentially engaging art. Kanye is an awful person (the Nazi stuff is literally psychotic and unexcusable) and so I kind of avoided him for a bit (as was natural for most Swift fans), but when I dove in, I found his catalogue to have some all time great albums like MBDTF. Plus our perception isn't always the reality. The "bad vibes" you get from her are really just a mix of tabloids and fanbase wars. If you want to know the type of person she is, you should look to primary sources: people that have actually met her. Everywhere I look and everything I've ever read about her has talked about how genuinely kind and caring she was, from small town radio hosts to big time legendary artists. The only people that have said otherwise have really been Katy, Kim, and Kanye. But the overwhelming majority opinion of people who've met her seems to be that she was way nicer than they believed to be possible. I have chosen to believe those statements because they've remained consistent for basically 2 decades at this point. All the other gossip is just background noise. TLDR: I get why you might be offput by her public persona, it's polarizing. But Madonna's was also polarizing (for different reasons.) Contrary to the popular belief of Taylor being safe, she's one of the most divisive figures in music history, but underneath the exterior of her public persona is a kind hearted individual, backed up by the statements of so many people that have actually met her. Believe me. I don't care. I just quickly went though that post. Public perception means nothing. I like Britney and Kanye. I don't care much about that if I like the music. Taylor isn't my thing. She's basic. She's lame. She's stuck being 13. THATS My OPINION. Y'all just can't handle people not liking a blonde white girl who can't sing or dance. I'm not a Stan boy so say whatever you want about Britney thinking I'll be mad. Share alot of the same thoughts. Both have a couple good albums and that's that. 1
PoisonedIvy Posted May 23 Posted May 23 7 minutes ago, Vixen Eyes said: *after 1989 Ah yes, Lover — the most pretentious album of all time. 1 1
PoisonedIvy Posted May 23 Posted May 23 (edited) 3 minutes ago, WhateverYouWant said: Believe me. I don't care. I just quickly went though that post. Public perception means nothing. I like Britney and Kanye. I don't care much about that if I like the music. Taylor isn't my thing. She's basic. She's lame. She's stuck being 13. THATS My OPINION. Y'all just can't handle people not liking a blonde white girl who can't sing or dance. I'm not a Stan boy so say whatever you want about Britney thinking I'll be mad. Share alot of the same thoughts. Both have a couple good albums and that's that. Girl what? I'm not trying to make you like her music. You can dislike it. In fact I wish more people disliked her so I could get concert tickets easier you're entitled to all those negative opinions about her music, I'm just saying keep it to the music and don't let that bleed into the person. I can very much handle you not liking her. I encourage it. I just don't like when it turns into outrageous attacks online. Also I would never disrespect Britney. She might not be the best writer or vocalist but she's a pop princess and a legend for a reason. She was a cultural icon, and an amazing dancer with a very unique and enthralling tone. I love Britney, In the Zone, and Blackout, and enjoy a good 80% of her discography to be honest with you. Edited May 23 by PoisonedIvy 1
WhateverYouWant Posted May 23 Posted May 23 9 minutes ago, Soda Pop Queen said: I can't stand Zane Lowe. Like, I love that he's so passionate about music but I still hate him lol. Probably because of his attitude about Beyoncé when she headlined Glasto in 2011. lol thank you. A lot of folks bringing up albums that some artists didn't even give interviews for to even imply or refer to their work as super deep or whatever. Xtina and Gaga (and Katy that one time) were the only ones giving interviews making hyperbolic statements about relatively tame dance-pop records. Christina was literally going around saying Bionic only flopped because the masses didn't get it and weren't ready for it... this is the early '10s by the way I actually like Bionic and would even love it with a little more editing but gurl I'll die on the hill that bionic has her best ballads. Plus Monday morning and birds of prey. Their is definitely a reason that album gets praise.
whiteferrari Posted May 23 Posted May 23 1 hour ago, TalkThatRihanna said: I know this isn't an Album, but nothing is beating when Ariana gave a 2 min "deep" explanation for FOCUS of all songs close the thread 2
Cherish Posted May 23 Posted May 23 7 minutes ago, Suilen said: Marina's recent album. I think you're thinking of Love and Fear! 1 1
Cherish Posted May 23 Posted May 23 1 hour ago, TalkThatRihanna said: I know this isn't an Album, but nothing is beating when Ariana gave a 2 min "deep" explanation for FOCUS of all songs i have never seen this 1
Soda Pop Queen Posted May 23 Posted May 23 6 minutes ago, WhateverYouWant said: I'll die on the hill that bionic has her best ballads. Plus Monday morning and birds of prey. Their is definitely a reason that album gets praise. oh, it has some great ballads ('You Lost Me' might be my favorite Chrissy ballad after 'Hurt') but she was overselling the album.... after the fact lol. It wasn't "too ahead of its time" at all. It wasn't even all that experimental outside of a few tracks. It was a good dance pop album.
Soda Pop Queen Posted May 23 Posted May 23 1 hour ago, TalkThatRihanna said: I know this isn't an Album, but nothing is beating when Ariana gave a 2 min "deep" explanation for FOCUS of all songs this is so cringe, what was she even going on about? gurl, you was not saying anything remotely close to ALLAT on that song. I'm probably one of the few people on earth that stans for Focus and this might have just killed it a bit for me
WhateverYouWant Posted May 23 Posted May 23 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Soda Pop Queen said: oh, it has some great ballads ('You Lost Me' might be my favorite Chrissy ballad after 'Hurt') but she was overselling the album.... after the fact lol. It wasn't "too ahead of its time" at all. It wasn't even all that experimental outside of a few tracks. It was a good dance pop album. I was in an outdoor mall on a vacation in phoenix and You Lost Me played and I become a fan. It gave a ghostly vibe and I became obsessed. It played throughout the whole mall and it was such a odd song to play Edited May 23 by WhateverYouWant 1
PoisonedIvy Posted May 23 Posted May 23 1 hour ago, TalkThatRihanna said: I know this isn't an Album, but nothing is beating when Ariana gave a 2 min "deep" explanation for FOCUS of all songs I have never seen this until now
Katy V.! Posted May 23 Posted May 23 Gaga not sweeping this thread Taylor truly in a hate train era 3
attention Posted May 23 Posted May 23 21 minutes ago, Soda Pop Queen said: oh, it has some great ballads ('You Lost Me' might be my favorite Chrissy ballad after 'Hurt') but she was overselling the album.... after the fact lol. It wasn't "too ahead of its time" at all. It wasn't even all that experimental outside of a few tracks. It was a good dance pop album. to be fair in her perspective she was spearheading a lot of alternative artists for collabs (which most did end up on the album) - Goldfrapp, MIA, Santigold, Ladytron, Peaches, Le Tigre.. and at the time Sia was still in the undercurrent before she going mainstream and writing for every major popstar, after xtina. plus nicki then was up and coming around '09/10 and didnt do a lot of pop girl collabs prior. musically it is majority dance and camp. i think the label had a play in making it that way (which would explain why the more experimental was pushed towards bonus tracks) but she still stood by it. like 'cult classic' movies, 'ahead of its time' can also mean its appreciation is found later depending on how the culture shifts, not just in setting trends. and maybe that might come later 1
4Real Posted May 23 Posted May 23 Yall ALWAYS ruin threads bc of Taylor Swift, this website has become insufferable OT: Artpop, Joanne, Witness, and yes TTPD too. 2 1
Soda Pop Queen Posted May 23 Posted May 23 25 minutes ago, attention said: to be fair in her perspective she was spearheading a lot of alternative artists for collabs (which most did end up on the album) - Goldfrapp, MIA, Santigold, Ladytron, Peaches, Le Tigre.. and at the time Sia was still in the undercurrent before she going mainstream and writing for every major popstar, after xtina. plus nicki then was up and coming around '09/10 and didnt do a lot of pop girl collabs prior. musically it is majority dance and camp. i think the label had a play in making it that way (which would explain why the more experimental was pushed towards bonus tracks) but she still stood by it. like 'cult classic' movies, 'ahead of its time' can also mean its appreciation is found later depending on how the culture shifts, not just in setting trends. and maybe that might come later This is always the go-to defense for the "too ahead of its time" rhetoric not "spearheading" when the majority of the guests, while being alternative acts, had already pierced mainstream culture and/or radio many years before Bionic came out. It's not like Christina plucked some up and coming artists out of complete obscurity and was all of the sudden, gonna turn them into household names. The irony here being that the majority of those acts had their biggest successes and most critically acclaimed works long before working with Xtina. The only one who got a bigger profile afterwards was Sia. As for the outlier in Nicki, she was always gonna be upwardly mobile because of who she was cliqued up with. She could have access to anyone. Also, Mariah worked with her before Xtina did. It's admirable that she stood by her art but the apropo statement would have been "maybe it will grow on those who disliked it" or "maybe Bionic was too much for certain people" and I believe that to be true because all the old farts that were respecting her in the B2B era for her old hollywood look and throwback talent and "real music" had turned on her by the time the Bionic era started. They thought she was regressing. Most of the young pop fans who heard it, despite making fun of it flopping, loved it. 1
Wooper Posted May 23 Posted May 23 1 hour ago, Suilen said: Marina's recent album. Not this attack on Ancient Dreams in a Modern Land
The7thStranger Posted May 23 Posted May 23 Taylor's records generally have the depth of a kiddie pool.
Cain Posted May 23 Posted May 23 4 hours ago, 50thStateofMind said: idk about artist, but Zane Lowe makes EVERY SINGLE ALBUM seem way deeper than it is. Oh my god THANK YOU! The way he goes into EVERY album during an interview being like "you can just really hear the growth on this thing, like the path you've had to walk to get here, it's so beautiful, I'm actually so proud of you" and it will be Ava Max sitting there 7
Beyonceist Posted May 23 Posted May 23 5 hours ago, WildAmerican said: *say artists or fan bases you don't like* Every Rihanna alberm.
yonsé Posted May 23 Posted May 23 (edited) 7 hours ago, lillavend3r said: When was this marketed as deep? It's just a sonically different than her other records. If anything ARTPOP was sold as deep and it wasn't. 7 hours ago, Gladiator said: Did you mean ARTPOP? Gaga never once suggested this was a deep album. She said it was an album for her dad. No. I don't mean artpop. Artpop was camp. not sure if you saw 5 foot 2 where she plays the title track for her grandmother (Joanne's mom) and is expecting her to cry and she awkwardly doesn't. She clearly didn't connect to the song at all. And yet the doc was used to push the album. It was a pretty viral moment: Edited May 23 by yonsé
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