base talk Why does Beyoncé never sell as much as Taylor?

[Aribiotch.]

2 minutes ago, The 1 said:

Again, if race is the reason Taylor sells, then all WHITE pop stars, including your fave, should be selling more than Beyoncé.

 

 

But they don't, so your logic doesn't make sense.

Yea you're obviously looking for an argument and this will be my last time responding. I addressed this on the page before this one. 
 

my answer still stands, Taylor is white, Beyoncé is not. Thanks for the entertainment 

[Devin]

2 minutes ago, The 1 said:

We are basing our argument on facts, not on wigs and dance moves.

 here 

 we go

[futuresuperstar2023]

2 hours ago, The 1 said:

We are basing our argument on facts, not on wigs and dance moves.

Wigs and dance moves and bey will still be more respected than Taylor Swift. Numbers will not change that fact. Everybody including the racist whites know that Bey is more talented.

[Mr_campbell]

Taylor simply has more fans. 
 

LOCK

[Queenyoncee]

5 minutes ago, The 1 said:

We are basing our argument on facts, not on wigs and dance moves.

ohh the racism already 

 

Beyoncé still remains more talented while your fave still sings off key on record

 

 

Edited April 18 by Queenyoncee

[makeme]

A white women who works her ass off will never be topped(unfortunately). You can't hate the player you have to hate the game 

[DevilsRollTheDice]

If being white and mediocre was the key y'all's faves would be selling much better

 

Edited April 18 by DevilsRollTheDice

[Nickimeetsatrl]

If Taylor swift was black, she would not cross 5k sales after 30+ years. Meanwhile if Beyonce was white, she would have still been successful, maybe even more. 

[The 1]

1 minute ago, Aribiotch. said:

Yea you're obviously looking for an argument and this will be my last time responding. I addressed this on the page before this one. 
 

my answer still stands, Taylor is white, Beyoncé is not. Thanks for the entertainment 

Okay, that is why Ariana keeps changing her race over the past years

[Redstreak]

32 minutes ago, Bimbo said:

Even if you ignore Beyonce talking about "controversial stuff" in her lyrics, she also takes risks with her sound. Taylor could never do this, she's safe, she needs to be played as the background music in a McDonald's ad, appeal to everyone.

So far out of the two eras it's been Beyoncé in a jeans commercial so uh 💀

[ontherocks]

Taylor is simply better and more talented. 

[Devin]

Just now, Nickimeetsatrl said:

If Taylor swift was black, she would not cross 5k sales after 30+ years. Meanwhile if Beyonce was white, she would have still been successful, maybe even more. 

if taylor was black she would be H.E.R. 

 

and we know what her numbers lookin like. 

[Nickimeetsatrl]

7 minutes ago, The 1 said:

Again, if race is the reason Taylor sells, then all WHITE pop stars, including your fave, should be selling more than Beyoncé.

 

 

But they don't, so your logic doesn't make sense.

I think you choose not to

listen. Beyoncé is a BLACK woman, there is no way she can reach the success of Taylor Swift because of that. That is not a dig at Taylor Swift. It's just a fact. 

[The 1]

OTH's keep suffering, see yall next week on the BB 200 thread 

[Bubble Tea]

I can't say I relate to either of their music much, but Taylor is definitely more relatable than Bey. I really have no clue what Bey's thoughts are don't click with her music, even though I can appreciate it is good music. Taylor's doesn't really gel much with me but she's such a well publicised celebrity, you can kinda piece together what it's all about so that it means something. Bey is so much more abstract. 

 

Like Cowboy Carter, has she been having a particularly country influenced few years or something? Reconnected with her roots? I have no idea, it seems 100% artificial and curated, nothing natural. (even if that's not the case, that's how it seems to me) At least Taylor being depressed or whatever TTPD aesthetic is can be linked to being a megastar (loneliness) and her various relationship turmoils.

[The 1]

Just now, Nickimeetsatrl said:

I think you choose not to

listen. Beyoncé is a BLACK woman, there is no way she can reach the success of Taylor Swift because of that. That is not a dig at Taylor Swift. It's just a fact. 

What? Mariah and Whitney are black and they are Legends. 

 

Why can't Beyonce achieve that success just because she is black? 

[Rotunda]

@The 1 @Josh

 

I don't think people are saying that Taylor is only big because she's white, or that there's nothing else justifying why she ranks above any other white artist. She obviously has a comparative advantage somewhere. 

 

I think the point is that in the context of the conversation between Beyoncé and Taylor Swift, Taylor maintains access to a wider subset of the population partially by function of her whiteness. Taylor has a different audience which impacts commercial success.

 

This isn't to say that no artist is unable to overcome that racial gap (e.g. Michael Jackson), but that they play from totally different positions. 
 

We don't have a Black female pop star that operates within the "suburban girl next door" niche the same way that Taylor has, and that's for a reason. The closest Black artist to Taylor in terms of both style and competencies is probably SZA, but even she operates from a much more mature/graphic place. 

[Josh]

Just now, Ya Ya said:

@The 1 @Josh

 

I don't think people are saying that Taylor is only big because she's white, or that there's nothing else justifying why she ranks above any other white artist. She obviously has a comparative advantage somewhere. 

 

I think the point is that in the context of the conversation between Beyoncé and Taylor Swift, Taylor maintains access to a wider subset of the population partially by function of her whiteness. Taylor has a different audience which impacts commercial success.

 

This isn't to say that no artist is unable to overcome that racial gap (e.g. Michael Jackson), but that they play from totally different positions. 
 

We don't have a Black female pop star that operates within the "suburban girl next door" niche the same way that Taylor has, and that's for a reason. The closest Black artist to Taylor in terms of both style and competencies is probably SZA, but even she operates from a much more mature/graphic place. 

No that's literally what they're saying she's a successful white woman

[Queenyoncee]

3 minutes ago, The 1 said:

OTH's keep suffering, see yall next week on the BB 200 thread 

We will see

 

 

Enough with the racism. I already reported his comment about the wig.

 

@Ryan @khalyan

 

 

Edited April 18 by Queenyoncee

[Josh]

Just now, Ya Ya said:

@The 1 @Josh

 

I don't think people are saying that Taylor is only big because she's white, or that there's nothing else justifying why she ranks above any other white artist. She obviously has a comparative advantage somewhere. 

 

I think the point is that in the context of the conversation between Beyoncé and Taylor Swift, Taylor maintains access to a wider subset of the population partially by function of her whiteness. Taylor has a different audience which impacts commercial success.

 

This isn't to say that no artist is unable to overcome that racial gap (e.g. Michael Jackson), but that they play from totally different positions. 
 

We don't have a Black female pop star that operates within the "suburban girl next door" niche the same way that Taylor has, and that's for a reason. The closest Black artist to Taylor in terms of both style and competencies is probably SZA, but even she operates from a much more mature/graphic place. 

We did in the 90's with Brandy

[The 1]

5 minutes ago, Queenyoncee said:

ohh the racism already 

 

Beyoncé still remains more talented while your fave still sings off key on record

 

 

Racism? As if only black popstars wore wig. Talk to Gaga 

[Burn]

2 minutes ago, ontherocks said:

Taylor is simply better and more talented. 

 

Where is the talent? And don't even BOTHER saying her songwriting because I've seen those lyrics and an 11 year old can replicate the same thing.

[Redstreak]

20 minutes ago, verzden said:

When will Taylor Sing, Dance, Perform as good as Bey? If sales are all you have then you can keep it. 

You listen to albums for dancing and performances?

[PMM]

because her fans work they know the value of money, they will buy one album or 2 (more if they are a stan) and that's it. Their parents won't give them money for it. Also they are intellectuals who listen to more music, not only their fav - B, they know a lot of genres and support other people. 

[The 1]

Not the Beyonce fans acting like they are no more successful black popstars than Taylor