Chemist Posted April 26 Posted April 26 This is from yesterday but another university joining thew movement
Nova_23 Posted April 26 Posted April 26 (edited) I'm just trying to understand what the end goal is here for the US in all of this? Do they think people are just going to unsee what Israel has done to the Palestinian people? This isn't going to end or stop until the US ends it's support for Israel. Especially with new atrocities being discovered done by the IDF. Israel is not coming back from this. And the new generation is making it clear about that. The biggest question is whether Biden wants to actually become part of this change/revolution or if he would like to crumble and take the Democratic Party along with him all for the sake of Israel ie another foreign government currently committing a genocide which these students are protesting. And his actions speak for themselves. This is Biden's legacy. Edited April 26 by Nova_23 5 1
Cyanide Posted April 26 Posted April 26 I always wonder how people in the past could've stood for slavery, apartheid in SA, the viet nam war, etc. and it's SO apparent the excuses and mental gymnastics people will jump through to justify utter depravity. You are the ones who would've supported the slave trade, disgusting ghouls whose support only lies with who is white regardless of what's happening. I can't say what I wish on you all or I would get banned 6 9 1
ClashAndBurn Posted April 26 Posted April 26 1 hour ago, Nova_23 said: I'm just trying to understand what the end goal is here for the US in all of this? Do they think people are just going to unsee what Israel has done to the Palestinian people? This isn't going to end or stop until the US ends it's support for Israel. Especially with new atrocities being discovered done by the IDF. Israel is not coming back from this. And the new generation is making it clear about that. The biggest question is whether Biden wants to actually become part of this change/revolution or if he would like to crumble and take the Democratic Party along with him all for the sake of Israel ie another foreign government currently committing a genocide which these students are protesting. And his actions speak for themselves. This is Biden's legacy. I don't think they're trying to change hearts and minds. At this point they just want to crush dissent and force any and all protesters to shut up so they can put up a fake, united front and focus on campaigning against Trump rather than fielding any actual concerns from younger voters.
Kassi Posted April 26 Posted April 26 Last counterpoint/post I'll make in this thread: Protests should make sense and have reasonable demands — canceling the entire internet is not one such demand. Otherwise they're prone to polarize regular people in the opposite direction in favor of "law and order". Some of us are taking the long view and interrogating how this actually impacts the broader political landscape. One thing is clear… you won't end Google (duh). You're not going to end Microsoft and Amazon (lol). Even if Columbia never invests in them again, they're still going to be trillion dollar companies we all use everyday. Boeing is 90% of the planes we fly on. Divesting from Lockheed Martin is probably the only reasonable suggestion and might have been an achievable scope had it been the sole objective. As it stands, these protests and their aims have become so sprawling and unfocused, it's impossible to sell regular people on why they should care. Like BLM in 2020, which surprisingly had a narrower, albeit overreaching set of demands, this is likely to go nowhere. It may even backfire on the cause by taking focus off of the actual victims of war crimes and spotlighting the insanity of American protesters instead. Good luck to these young people on their finals. 2 8
ClashAndBurn Posted April 26 Posted April 26 9 minutes ago, Kassi said: Last counterpoint/post I'll make in this thread: Protests should make sense and have reasonable demands — canceling the entire internet is not one such demand. Otherwise they're prone to polarize regular people in the opposite direction in favor of "law and order". Some of us are taking the long view and interrogating how this actually impacts the broader political landscape. One thing is clear… you won't end Google (duh). You're not going to end Microsoft and Amazon (lol). Even if Columbia never invests in them again, they're still going to be trillion dollar companies we all use everyday. Boeing is 90% of the planes we fly on. Divesting from Lockheed Martin is probably the only reasonable suggestion and might have been an achievable scope had it been the sole objective. As it stands, these protests and their aims have become so sprawling and unfocused, it's impossible to sell regular people on why they should care. Like BLM in 2020, which surprisingly had a narrower, albeit overreaching set of demands, this is likely to go nowhere. It may even backfire on the cause by taking focus off of the actual victims of war crimes and spotlighting the insanity of American protesters instead. Good luck to these young people on their finals. What they're actually calling for doesn't matter because liberal and conservative media -and Joe Biden himself!- have misconstrued the entire movement as being about the eradication of the Jewish people, thereby justifying the need for violent crackdowns in response. Hoping for students protesting against your preferred presidential candidate's morally irredeemable policies to fail their exams is actually sick and depraved. You should be ashamed of yourself. 1
Sannie Posted April 26 Posted April 26 8 hours ago, Communion said: Any good conscious liberal should want and seek nothing less than the total dissolution of the state of Israel. It's clear Israel should have no right to exist and its existence as an inherently fascist apartheid state promotes global instability. Shame on any Democrat who puts a foreign terrorist state like Israel before their own citizens and voters. At least you are now admitting you want all Jews dead lol. Like, the only way you dissolve the state of Israel is by killing the people who live inside the "borders" because those people are not going to leave willingly. I love how the left is like, "genocide is bad, unless it is genocide against Israelis, millions of whom do not even support the Bibi regime". Your end goal should be the complete and total divestment of anything Israel-related. Let them become a pariah in the West with no allies and put them in a position where they have to change if they want our help. But no, another Holocaust is what you guys want. 3 hours ago, GraceRandolph said: Of course she shows up. And of course leftists will love her for it. As long as you say what they want, they will support anyone. ------- Bored, virtue signaling leftists vs Cops... God, you all are making this hard on me when it comes to choosing a side. Cops always lose, though. Like, most of the videos I have seen are of cops arresting people who do not appear to be doing anything lol? There are plenty of provocateurs at these rallies who are clearly trying to get a rise out of people but the cops are arresting the peaceful protesters instead. Leftists crying about "Biden not doing anything" and wanting him to, I guess, send military forces in to crack down on things are the same people screaming "we do not like fascism". Once again, you guys are okay with genocide and fascism if it gives you what you want. 2 2 11
Communion Posted April 26 Posted April 26 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sannie said: At least you are now admitting you want all Jews dead "Not believing people have a right to an ethno-state means you want the destruction of their people". You are literally a nazi. You are literally a blood and soil European nationalist fascist. You would have cried tears for societies built on racial supremacy like Rhodesia. I am an American. The idea of racial and ethnic plurality is central to the American society. America is a multi-faith, multi-racial, multi-ethnic land of immigrants. The idea of a nation's identity being inherently linked to a singular ethnic group is an affront to American values and it is obscene to demand Americans both support and financially prop up a nation built on the idea of perpetuating an artificial single ethnic majority through bombing and killing non-Jewish minorities. Israeli values are not American values just like Rhodesian values were not Ameican values. It is not shocking someone who once defended Jim Crow style segregation like Joe Biden betrays American values to defend this supremacist style of governance. Just as white citizens continued and still live within nations like South Africa and Zimbabwe despite the disillusion of Rhodesia or the apartheid version of the South African state, to suggest nations are people let alone a single ethnic group of people is a rejection of every liberal and progressive value America claims to stand on. Edited April 26 by Communion 4 1
ClashAndBurn Posted April 26 Posted April 26 1 hour ago, Sannie said: Your end goal should be the complete and total divestment of anything Israel-related. BDS is extremely violent antisemitism, as defined by Joe Biden and the ADL. It is also illegal in most states, especially those that have adopted the IHRA definition of antisemitism (which includes CRITICISM of the state of Israel). You are saying people should adopt a stance that the state explicitly views and prosecutes as hate speech. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. 1 hour ago, Sannie said: Cops always lose, though. Like, most of the videos I have seen are of cops arresting people who do not appear to be doing anything lol? There are plenty of provocateurs at these rallies who are clearly trying to get a rise out of people but the cops are arresting the peaceful protesters instead. That is... what they exist for. They are in place to protect capital, not people. And nothing threatens capital more than peaceful protesters demonstrating, even though you yourself turn your nose up at them and wouldn't blink twice if they were shot point-blank by National Guardsmen.
Specter Posted April 26 Posted April 26 That user basically said "I mean, I wouldn't want Biden to assassinate young students because it would complicate his election chances" Maybe the pig avi was better suited? I mean with Pelosi it's kind of the same thing, but you didn't hear it from me 1 7
teresaguidice Posted April 26 Posted April 26 my bad if this was posted already but Quote A poll conducted after the [Kent State] shootings found that about a third of Americans didn't know who bore more blame for the students' deaths. About 1 in 10 blamed the National Guard. 58 percent of respondents blamed the students. Quote In October 1968, nearly all respondents to the Harris Poll opposed blocking traffic to protest the war in Vietnam. Asked how they might respond, two-thirds of respondents said that, if nothing else worked, they might participate in a physical assault or armed action over the tactic. Quote A poll conducted by NORC that April evaluated how much support anti-Vietnam protests had. It determined that 7 in 10 Americans thought the country "would be better off if there were less protest and dissatisfaction coming from college campuses." Quote A poll the following month from Harris found that respondents were more supportive of cracking down on student protesters (65 percent) than getting troops out of Vietnam (61 percent). 1 1
Gov Hooka Posted April 26 Posted April 26 23 hours ago, VOSS said: That blue flag with the Star of David is the equivalent of the Nazi flag and is flown constantly in the US in support of genocide. It represents a terrorist state responsible for the deliberate murder of thousands of children. Curious what your thoughts are on that…. 1 1
Anthinos Posted April 27 Posted April 27 I just don't understand how you can support war and mass murder, no matter what the background of the conflict is. Am I the only one who is simply shocked at how war-mongering some politicians and people are? It's just bizarre. What kind of world do we live in where it is controversial to be against war and murder and for human rights, peace and cooperation. I am simply shocked. Even here in this thread you read a lot of disgusting comments. How can you be so soulless? I'm not religious, but as a spiritual person I'm still God-fearing somewhere. What is happening here is very dark. I also think it's just hypocritical when it comes to freedom of speech. Nothing has been done against right-wing extremism for years and now all the switches are being activated here to break up peace protests. In my opinion, the West should force Israel to negotiate peace and recognize Palestine as a state.
Horizon Flame Posted April 27 Posted April 27 16 hours ago, Chemist said: True! Civic unrest by college students had a massive impact in the Vietnam war This is not the Vietnam war where American families were seeing their kids come home in body bags. 1
Horizon Flame Posted April 27 Posted April 27 50 minutes ago, Karla Cabello said: israel and usa will crumble from the inside You're dreaming. 1
GraceRandolph Posted April 27 Posted April 27 29 minutes ago, Horizon Flame said: This is not the Vietnam war where American families were seeing their kids come home in body bags. But we are seeing mass graves of Palestinians and witnessing cops brutalize anyone who is anti-genocide. 5
Communion Posted April 27 Posted April 27 53 minutes ago, Horizon Flame said: This is not the Vietnam war where American families were seeing their kids come home in body bags. Well, except for countless in the state of Michigan
Communion Posted April 27 Posted April 27 Associating with the Israeli terrorist regime must be made into a social stigma.
IBeMe Posted April 27 Posted April 27 these people are so courageous. I still find myself saying dumb edited things when faced with this issue in real life. Like one of my co workers randomly and inappropriately asked what my opinion was on this issue and I found myself tip toeing around an answer that seemed "balanced" and I'm kind of ashamed I did that because I'm not living in my truth at all. While I advocate for Palestine online I can't seem to muster up the courage to be unabashedly pro palestine IRL...idk why....I applaud people who can be and are literally putting their livelihood in danger and potentially their lives in danger to help people in a whole other continent...it actually makes me so emotional and rather ashamed of myself... 1
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