single Dua Lipa - "Illusion"

[mike_int]

59 minutes ago, hungrymuffin said:

the complete off topic and your reply has nothing to do with what the user said not sure why even taylor was brought up

 

OT: she should explore other genres, these new songs just sound like watered down versions from FN songs

You are not very bright I assume

 

Edited April 17 by mike_int

[Prodigal Self]

4 minutes ago, djcalpal said:

Employing her father as her manager was the worst career move in recent main pop girl history. 

I will never get why y'all REFUSE to understand why she'd rather work with close ones than random people who'd propel her to international stardom when she's already been there done that. She's done her fair share of hustling and performing everywhere y'all should leave her and that idea alone She's in her 9th career year.

[djcalpal]

52 minutes ago, Prodigal Self said:

I will never get why y'all REFUSE to understand why she'd rather work with close ones than random people who'd propel her to international stardom when she's already been there done that. She's done her fair share of hustling and performing everywhere y'all should leave her and that idea alone She's in her 9th career year.

It's about conflict of interest - a family member will never be able to give you the objective, informed guidance you need to propel your career forward. I've worked in the music industry for over a decade (including in artist management), and artists whose parents get involved in their business are inherently and morally putting themselves at a disadvantage. When your relationship with your manager is wrapped up in family politics, generational financial gain, and unnatural power dynamics, you are setting yourself up for disaster. 

[Vermouth]

6 minutes ago, djcalpal said:

It's about conflict of interest - a family member will never be able to give you the objective, informed guidance you need to propel your career forward. I've worked in the music industry for over a decade (including in artist management), and artists whose parents get involved in their business are inherently and morally putting themselves at a disadvantage. When your relationship with your manager is wrapped up in family politics, generational financial gain, and unnatural power dynamics, you are setting yourself up for disaster. 

It remains one of the great mysteries what happened with TAP. 
 

She and the principal actors there seemed (to me, at least) very tight for a long time, right from the moment she was signed by them when she was about 18. She even took Ben Mawson as her "plus one" to the Grammys where she won best pop vocal album. A year later just after the FN tour start, links were cut, seemingly out of the blue.

 

Can't really be denied they did a good job helping to take her from "X Factor advert girl" to global star, so whatever it was that caused the rift, must be pretty significant, or at least perceived as such.

 

I suspect it's firmly wrapped in all kinds of non disclosure agreements, so it may remain a mystery for a long long time.

[Jay07]

What music business experience does her dad even have? What contacts? It just seems like a terrible choice. How can he handle things going sideways?

[Vermouth]

15 minutes ago, Jay07 said:

What music business experience does her dad even have? What contacts? It just seems like a terrible choice. How can he handle things going sideways?

He runs/ran a communications marketing company (I think) in Kosovo. No idea what scale or success. Clearly he's a driving force behind the Sunny Hill Festival too.  He was/is also lead singer in the Kosovan rock band ODA, who had ( I think) a decent hit in the old Yugoslavia, and were appearing at the Montreux festival about ten years ago ( ie "pre Dua" so to speak).

 

How any of that translates into managing your daughter, who just happens to be a million dollars a gig act, I have no idea, might be good, might not be.

Edited April 17 by Vermouth

[hungrymuffin]

1 hour ago, mike_int said:

You are not very bright I assume

 

resorting to personal attack i have to laugh reported anyway

[Julia Fox]

6 minutes ago, Vermouth said:

He runs/ran a communications marketing company (I think) in Kosovo. No idea what scale or success. Clearly he's a driving force behind the Sunny Hill Festival too.  He was/is also lead singer in the Kosovan rock band ODA, who had ( I think) a decent hit in the old Yugoslavia, and were appearing at the Montreux festival about ten years ago ( ie "pre Dua" so to speak).

 

How any of that translates into managing your daughter, who just happens to be a million dollars a gig act, I have no idea, might be good, might not be.

I have a theory that the FN nostalgia era left her exhausted. She was everywhere and her face looked so sleepy in a lot of interviews that maybe that's why she change her management and put her father on it because her old management/new offers insisted on her to be everywhere and maybe she didn't wanted to or maybe not at that scale. Her father saw her looking tired and came to save her.

 

[shark_heather]

This aged like a 2€ bottle of wine 

 

The fact that i was excited when i first heard the snippet on TikTok... 

 

 

[Cain]

As much as I love hating on her dad, he has his perks

 

They got DTN to #1, she opened the Grammys and BRITs, she's headlining Glastonbury and I'm expecting big things from the tour. She also has big deals

 

So management wise he's doing fine, but that an era doesn't make. They absolutely over-relied on just her name this era, especially in the US where she isn't above promo yet while that is very much the attitude this era 

[Vermouth]

1 minute ago, Julia Fox said:

I have a theory that the FN nostalgia era left her exhausted. She was everywhere and her face looked so sleepy in a lot of interviews that maybe that's why she change her management and put her father on it because her old management/new offers insisted on her to be everywhere and maybe she didn't wanted to or maybe not at that scale. Her father saw her looking tired and came to save her.

 

Undeniable she worked herself really really hard Nov 2019 - Dec 22 through the FN rollout and tour. Think that would've taken it out of anyone, so maybe she's conscious of the possibility of burnout. Who knows?

 

Now personally I think the era should've had more performances to keep things ticking along since November 23. Maybe TAP would've pushed her into those more than "dadager"? Plain fact is we do not know. She's a very savvy and intelligent individual and it's her life, so good luck to her.

 

My theory based on nothing more than idle speculation (😂), is she doesn't want the uber hectic grind of last time round, because she values her sanity and a rounded life (bandwidth for book clubs/ interviews etc) more than an extra few $/£ that she's never going to be short of anyway.

 

 

[Truth Teller]

Why are y'all so mad about management to begin with, when the problem is the actual music? Not that the songs are not good, but they don't sound like smashes especially for the US. That's on Dua and her label / A&R. Management had no issue landing her prime slots on both Grammy's and the BRITs, Glasto, a double gig on SNL and plenty of high profile covers and interviews. What was more promo gonna do for songs that are #189 on Spotify US?

[Vermouth]

9 minutes ago, Truth Teller said:

Why are y'all so mad about management to begin with, when the problem is the actual music? Not that the songs are not good, but they don't sound like smashes especially for the US. That's on Dua and her label / A&R. Management had no issue landing her prime slots on both Grammy's and the BRITs, Glasto, a double gig on SNL and plenty of high profile covers and interviews. What was more promo gonna do for songs that are #189 on Spotify US?

Last time round there were loads of tv slots she did, not just in the US, but, for instance in the U.K. and Germany (where she did the Voice final). This time we've had the Grammys, the Brits (and, true, SNL coming up), and tumbleweed. Two slots in five months. And of course, she was outstanding in both, and streaming boosts followed somewhat.

 

Personally, I can see they didn't want her exhausted going here there and everywhere to do "Faroe Islands channel 3 morning show, audience 2.5k", but on the other hand, as an example, doing a G Norton as an interview guest whilst Justin Timberlake was doing the singing slot on the same show, was, very charitably, "a choice".

 

Rather fell between two stools.

[katara]

29 minutes ago, Cain said:

As much as I love hating on her dad, he has his perks

 

They got DTN to #1, she opened the Grammys and BRITs, she's headlining Glastonbury and I'm expecting big things from the tour. She also has big deals

 

So management wise he's doing fine, but that an era doesn't make. They absolutely over-relied on just her name this era, especially in the US where she isn't above promo yet while that is very much the attitude this era 

They also got high peaks for the RO singles in the UK. Without the physicals first week both H and TS would have peaked outside the top 5. 

 

RO itself also must have above 20-30k+ preorders in the UK by now.

[yassskween]

2 hours ago, CroNich said:

Ngl I'm already kind of over this one

the last two really had the least replay value ever dd - like, on play 4 I'm bored.

[Relampago.]

…  

 

[mike_int]

50 minutes ago, hungrymuffin said:

resorting to personal attack i have to laugh reported anyway

Personal attack? Really?

 

 

[Saint James]

the thing about 'her music sounds the same' criticism is it's not just a few people saying it. I've seen videos with 100k likes, that tweet above has 23k. so it doesn't matter if you hear production nuances or different genre influences, the public have chosen this as the narrative.

[Nico Robin]

3 hours ago, CroNich said:

Ngl I'm already kind of over this one

It was just hitting me now completely on a walk I had  The breakdown during the bridge is everything it just wants to make you dance

[djcalpal]

I've listened to this more than Houdini and TS combined, not sure what y'all are on about. 

[Ivan_brit]

Promo is coming relax everyone 

 

 

 

 

She will probably also be a guest on Jimmy Fallon during SNL week host & musical guest usually go for an interview the same week 

[hungrymuffin]

28 minutes ago, mike_int said:

Personal attack? Really?

 

 

lets just say you are what you said to me 

 

1 hour ago, Truth Teller said:

Why are y'all so mad about management to begin with, when the problem is the actual music? Not that the songs are not good, but they don't sound like smashes especially for the US. That's on Dua and her label / A&R. Management had no issue landing her prime slots on both Grammy's and the BRITs, Glasto, a double gig on SNL and plenty of high profile covers and interviews. What was more promo gonna do for songs that are #189 on Spotify US?

this, i think its the quality of the music, whats wrong with the management actually? it looks like people complained about the lack of physical push and promo but her singles are usually slow burners so those tactics dont really work long term

 

that being said, her ad featuring houdini literally pops up every time i open a video and thats great promo

[Cain]

1 hour ago, Relampago. said:

…  

 

Well… he's not wrong

[kayliah]

2 hours ago, Julia Fox said:

I have a theory that the FN nostalgia era left her exhausted. She was everywhere and her face looked so sleepy in a lot of interviews that maybe that's why she change her management and put her father on it because her old management/new offers insisted on her to be everywhere and maybe she didn't wanted to or maybe not at that scale. Her father saw her looking tired and came to save her.

 

Yeah well you have to sacrifice a lot of your energy to become a worldwide sensation even Taylor was a wreck during 1989.

[Truth Teller]

1 hour ago, Ivan_brit said:

Promo is coming relax everyone 

 

 

NOT this rodent