romas_ld Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 If Shakira had like 15 brand new tracks on this album she would do numbers closer to Renaissance for sure. Probably around 25-30 million. Plus I wish the quality of songs was as good as Beyoncé's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romas_ld Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 20 minutes ago, PrudenceHCharmed said: LOL Shakira being a global artist is an ATRL myth. She was only big in Latin countries (well, she sings Spanish!) & some parts of Asia and Europe. She hasn't had a number one hits in the UK for so long. Her highest certified album in Japan was around 50K and she's not doing any better in the US, Australia, NZ or Canada. 80% of Shakira's discography is in Spanish. Why would she have high certifications in Japan or NZ? She's doing just fine without the biggest markets 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm653 Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) 21 hours ago, PrettyHurts said: to be fair, taylor swift has maintained consistent commercial dominance her entire career while beyoncé has undergone several periods of underperformance (mostly due to her own risks) and has been counted out by stans who doubted her commercial viabilty. the hive deserve to have some fun Like what? 4? That album still went number 1 for 2 weeks and showed strong staying power. And the Gift is a side project that doesn't really count. There's literally never been a solo album that "underperformed" from Beyonce. 4 is the closest thing she had to a "flop" but even that album sold fine despite not having massive singles. Edited March 24 by Storm653 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Pop Queen Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Hmmm, all I know is if Beyoncé tried to tack on 1 and 2 year old collab hits onto a brand new album to boost streams we would never hear the end of it. Hell, y'all already was ready to burn her at the stake in the '10s for even daring to accept the few requests of certain artists to be a part of their re-mixed singles. Always one standard for her, another for everyone else. See y'all Friday. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakeyourbombom Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 23 hours ago, Adrian14 said: Yes, starting because Shakira is not successful in English. Her streams are from poor countries . Beyonce fills stadiums in USA UK GERMANY France . Shakira not . Shakira has bigger sales in Germany and France. ALMOST A DOUBLE. The sam situation goes on in Italy, Spain, Switzerland, Belgium, Sweden, Finland, Poland, Austria, Hungary, Greece etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOMH Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 29 minutes ago, shakeyourbombom said: Shakira has bigger sales in Germany and France. ALMOST A DOUBLE. Shakira's sales from yesteryear did not stop Beyoncé from outstreaming her in both of those countries on her album release day. Let's be serious for a second, shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakeyourbombom Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 40 minutes ago, KOMH said: Shakira's sales from yesteryear did not stop Beyoncé from outstreaming her in both of those countries on her album release day. Let's be serious for a second, shall we? I'm not delusional. Apparently Beyonce is doing better than Shakira at this moment overall. Read again, I was saying OVERALL Certified sales. Let's be serious and do some maths. Shakira is one of the top 10 best selling females in both countries. Let's talk based on facts, shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakeyourbombom Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 23 hours ago, Adrian14 said: You need to add that those streams are from poor countries. Shakira does not have any success in the UK or Australia. Delusional, Shakira has 2 Top 50 best selling singles of the 2000s in the UK. The only female that has two also is Lady Gaga. Laundry Service is top 50 best selling albums of the 2000s in Australia. All of her no.1s there are debut no.1s. Hips Don't Lie spent 9 weeks at no.1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havoc Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Shakira's global pull has always been overrated on ATRL 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakeyourbombom Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 21 hours ago, blueberries said: shakira is a non factor in the major markets Which she outsold 3 of your faves who are not named Taylor Swift in the world's biggest market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoundsandSongs Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 2 hours ago, shakeyourbombom said: Shakira has bigger sales in Germany and France. ALMOST A DOUBLE. The sam situation goes on in Italy, Spain, Switzerland, Belgium, Sweden, Finland, Poland, Austria, Hungary, Greece etc. You are right. Saying Shakira is irrelevant in major markets is false. They have different core markets: Shakira has higher sales in the following major markets: -France -Germany -Italy -Spain -Latin America Beyonce has higher sales in the following major markets: -USA -UK -Australia -South Korea -Japan -Canada 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VioletsandRoses Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 2 hours ago, Havoc said: Shakira's global pull has always been overrated on ATRL Bingo. I cackle when I see her fans calling Hips Don't Lie or Waka Waka the most global songs ever Her sales and streams are very mediocre outside free YouTube views. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suneclipse121 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 3 hours ago, shakeyourbombom said: I'm not delusional. Apparently Beyonce is doing better than Shakira at this moment overall. Read again, I was saying OVERALL Certified sales. Let's be serious and do some maths. Shakira is one of the top 10 best selling females in both countries. Let's talk based on facts, shall we? There's really no point in arguing semantics when Beyoncé overall eats Shakira. Albums sales, single sales, touring all go to Beyoncé. She objectively has the bigger career and that's not even including Destiny's Child. It's delusional to think otherwise. And in the few countries Shakira is slightly ahead of Beyonce. Only one of them can sell multiple sold out stadiums in said counties and it's not Shakira. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternium Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 3 hours ago, KOMH said: Shakira's sales from yesteryear did not stop Beyoncé from outstreaming her in both of those countries on her album release day. Let's be serious for a second, shall we? In CSPC units: LMYNL - 5,439,000 Renaissance - 3,806,000 The Gift - 1,162,000 EIL (The Carters studio album) - 1,011,000 Lemonade - 6,729,000 Lemonade was the last Beyonce era to be bigger than LMYNL. Shakira is having her biggest era since Sale El Sol and it is doing numbers that any of our faves would be praised for if they managed them. Please be serious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakeyourbombom Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 44 minutes ago, suneclipse121 said: There's really no point in arguing semantics when Beyoncé overall eats Shakira. Albums sales, single sales, touring all go to Beyoncé. She objectively has the bigger career and that's not even including Destiny's Child. It's delusional to think otherwise. And in the few countries Shakira is slightly ahead of Beyonce. Only one of them can sell multiple sold out stadiums in said counties and it's not Shakira. Good for her then. Both of them are certified legends and their markets are not really the same. A Spanish focused career would definitely do less sales than English one. Their EAS is not really that far. However, the way how Shakira conquered non-Spanish speaking countries absolutely deserves a lot of credits as a latin girl. Shakira did countless stadium shows too. Don't act like one flop is the end of her decades long lasting career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodak Energy Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 39 minutes ago, Eternium said: In CSPC units: LMYNL - 5,439,000 Renaissance - 3,806,000 The Gift - 1,162,000 EIL (The Carters studio album) - 1,011,000 Lemonade - 6,729,000 Lemonade was the last Beyonce era to be bigger than LMYNL. Shakira is having her biggest era since Sale El Sol and it is doing numbers that any of our faves would be praised for if they managed them. Please be serious. In CSPC units Beyonce has outsold Shakira with less albums even without DC though. And her catalog will gain more than Shakiras this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoundsandSongs Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 43 minutes ago, Eternium said: In CSPC units: LMYNL - 5,439,000 Renaissance - 3,806,000 The Gift - 1,162,000 EIL (The Carters studio album) - 1,011,000 Lemonade - 6,729,000 Lemonade was the last Beyonce era to be bigger than LMYNL. Shakira is having her biggest era since Sale El Sol and it is doing numbers that any of our faves would be praised for if they managed them. Please be serious. LMYNL is a success but stop comparing studio albums to soundtracks/non studio albums. The Carters is not credited as Beyonce and The Gift is a Lion King album. Renaissance and Lemonade are Beyonce's last studio albums and all charts companies in the world treat them as such. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSXP Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Are we really going to consider that Shakira album bigger than Renaissance cause of 2 collabs that were thrown on an album to pad it….let's be serious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyboi Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 On 3/23/2024 at 3:39 PM, Starshine said: Beyonce, Renaissance - 43.2M ------- Shakira, Las Mujeres Ya No Lloran - 13.5M Usher, Coming Home- 6.6M Justin Timberlake, EITIW- 5.9M Pink, Trustfall - 4.9M Avril Lavigne, Love Sux - 4.4M Kelly Clarkson, Chemistry - 1.5M Jennifer Lopez, This is Me Now - 1.1M Xtina, Aguilera - <1M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 On 3/23/2024 at 5:32 PM, Jonver said: not everyone can do that, just look at Jlo. at the end LMYNL is going to outstream all Beyoncé albums. Jennifer Lopez has never released a compilation album. And she could have (and she should have) done that that when "El Anillo" did well in streaming. 10 hours ago, PrudenceHCharmed said: LOL Shakira being a global artist is an ATRL myth. She was only big in Latin countries (well, she sings Spanish!) & some parts of Asia and Europe. She hasn't had a number one hits in the UK for so long. Her highest certified album in Japan was around 50K and she's not doing any better in the US, Australia, NZ or Canada. Meanwhile, Beyoncé was one of the most certified female in the US, UK, Australia while she sold 100K, 400K and 250K albums in Japan. That does not include DC who sold 500K with a GH album alone. Beyoncé is also much bigger artist in total streams on Spotify, Apple Music and more monthly followers on Asia's streaming apps like JOOX and QQ music. Beyoncé is also much more beloved artist in South Korea, Philippine and Indonesia and had visited South Africa, South America, North America, Asia, Oceania and Europe for her tours during her peak. The fans got really brave and dragged B at her lowest and now we finally know what her selling/streaming power truly like. Even the "parts of Asia" thing is a huge exaggeration. A lot of the Shakira stans on here boast that she's one of the few international pop girls to penetrate India because of the success of "Waka Waka," but it's misleading. While she's a recognized name and it's true "Waka Waka" was a smash (which is impressive since India is dominated by Hindi-language movie music and other Indian languages), most of her music doesn't do well there. Even "On the Floor" smashed in India and Jennifer Lopez is a recognized name and so is Beyonce, but it doesn't mean they're selling anything regularly the way Taylor, Rihanna, the Weeknd, Bieber and Selena Gomez are. 17 hours ago, OnMyCoolJ said: Shakira tried to do what The Weeknd did (a streaming "hits" compilation) and it didn't work for her. What do you mean? Shakira has already done this with El Dorado and it was successful. This album will do fine too in the long run. She has an audience to support her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrudenceHCharmed Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 3 hours ago, shakeyourbombom said: Good for her then. Both of them are certified legends and their markets are not really the same. A Spanish focused career would definitely do less sales than English one. Their EAS is not really that far. However, the way how Shakira conquered non-Spanish speaking countries absolutely deserves a lot of credits as a latin girl. Shakira did countless stadium shows too. Don't act like one flop is the end of her decades long lasting career. Yes, it's true. The comparison shouldn't be made in the first place. Beyoncé should be compared to her English speaking peers while Shakira should be compared with other Latin singers. But strangely the fans like to come for B for no reason. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOMH Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) 8 hours ago, Eternium said: In CSPC units: LMYNL - 5,439,000 Renaissance - 3,806,000 The Gift - 1,162,000 EIL (The Carters studio album) - 1,011,000 Lemonade - 6,729,000 Lemonade was the last Beyonce era to be bigger than LMYNL. Shakira is having her biggest era since Sale El Sol and it is doing numbers that any of our faves would be praised for if they managed them. Please be serious. Will you be singing that tune when LMYNL debuts with 50k sales worldwide next week? Let's not be dense. LMYNL is a playlist and is being treated as such by Chartmasters. CSPC units: LMYNL - 5,439,000 (released 2 days ago) Femme Fatale - 5,063,000 (released 2011) Surely you agree that LMYNL is bigger than this album with 3 top 10 hits and a six figure debut week on Billboard as well, no? Edited March 25 by KOMH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 8 hours ago, Eternium said: In CSPC units: LMYNL - 5,439,000 Renaissance - 3,806,000 The Gift - 1,162,000 EIL (The Carters studio album) - 1,011,000 Lemonade - 6,729,000 Lemonade was the last Beyonce era to be bigger than LMYNL. Shakira is having her biggest era since Sale El Sol and it is doing numbers that any of our faves would be praised for if they managed them. Please be serious. Your source is that fan blog when we already know Renaissance is past 4M global units. LMYNL has absolutely bombed, no matter how many times you tried to include other people's singles in that total. You're not fooling anyone with trying to compare random non-studio albums to it. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoundsandSongs Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Lovett said: You're not fooling anyone with trying to compare random non-studio albums to it. This, it's weird. Everyone knows studio albums and non-studio albums are different (especially when one of them isn't even credited as Beyonce and the other is for a movie Beyonce didn't even show her face in ) The same people comparing Soundtracks like The Gift and Collabs like EIL would cry Wolf if the same was done to their fave. No one ever compares Pink's Rose Ave collab to studio albums but they jump at EIL and The Gift every time. Edited March 25 by SoundsandSongs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth Teller Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Sad thread. They're both WINNERS. Shakira's current career is commendable. She has bagged at least 4 legitimate smash hits over the last couple of years, while: a) singing in Spanish, b) being in her 40's, c) barely promoting and not touring, d) having pretty much given up on consistently promoting her career and brand since 2014, e) lacking US radio support. And all of those hits were legitimate, with actual longevity and without payola/autoplay/shady tactics. She's not really an albums artist, but she's still killing it. Beyonce is bigger, but they're both very much upper echelon and wash their peers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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