Jjang Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Aristotle said: They receive different treatment by the state of Israel and score different opinion in polls and most of them don't view Israeli Arab as an offensive mark as even those who identify as Palestinians call themselves "Israeli Palestinians". I'd call them Palestinians in Israel though, no problem but it's good to distinguish them in poll. They are the same people but the Palestinian identity emerged in the 1960s to distinguish themselves from other Arabs (not just in Israel but also from Syrians, Lebanese etc.) due to the association with Gaza and Apartheid. if 62% of them still identify as Palestinian after living a century in a country that majorly doesn’t recognize that in them then that should tell you the story. Many of them are also terrified of identifying as Palestinian or became self-ashamed since they live within a society unaccepting of their identity. It’s a defense mechanism. If they say they’re Israeli - Arabs they’re instantly already more accepted. if they completely erase their Arabness and just say they are “Christian Israelis” that’s even better cause there’s nothing worse to Israelis than the triple punch of Arab - Palestinian - Muslim. Also, many of Palestinians with Israeli citizenships “gave up” because they now have other individual, economical, social obstacles to overcome… etc. Most importantly, the 1960s narrative is a dangerous Zionist rhetoric/talking point. Feel free to read Rashid Khalidi’s highly acclaimed “Palestinian Identity” book. The Palestinian national identity was already emerging around 100 years before that date (around the same time other Levantine people were gaining national consciousness, not only as anti colonial answer) Edited January 22 by Jjang 1
State of Grace. Posted January 22 Posted January 22 6 minutes ago, playwithme said: Trump will just let Netanyahu turn Gaza into a parking lot. Biden is already letting him do that and worse. Yall just love blaming Trump for everything. 1
Aethereal Posted January 22 Posted January 22 6 minutes ago, Luckitty said: Not true, this is zionist propaganda the THIRD Palestinian congress held in Haifa in 1920 Chilean club Palestino, founded in 1920 by Palestinian immigrants Palestinians have been identifying as Palestinian since the zionists were still in Europe, also they can identify as both Arab and Palestinian, they're not mutually exclusive lol Palestinian as a geographical name, yes. However Syrian, Egyptian, Israeli ethnicities are all recently created. They were just Arabs. In Middle Ages and centuries after religion determined your ethnicity for example all Orthodox Christian under the Patriarch of Constantinople were Greeks/Rum/Romans.
ClashAndBurn Posted January 22 Posted January 22 10 minutes ago, playwithme said: The far-left is absolutely hopeless. They will surely help to put Trump back into the White House, and Trump will just let Netanyahu turn Gaza into a parking lot. I don't think that Biden has a path to victory. Trump's comeback would be a huge win for Israel. Biden has already let Israel do exactly that. There is nothing left for them to return to, and Israel will refuse to help with reconstruction because they want to incentivize Gazans to leave “voluntarily.” Residential blocks, hospitals, and universities have all been razed to the ground. Your takes are increasingly abhorrent and lack any perception of reality.
Chemist Posted January 22 Posted January 22 anyone with 2 brain cells could have come up with this conclusion, but...
Jjang Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) 1 hour ago, Aristotle said: Palestinian as a geographical name, yes. However Syrian, Egyptian, Israeli ethnicities are all recently created. They were just Arabs. In Middle Ages and centuries after religion determined your ethnicity for example all Orthodox Christian under the Patriarch of Constantinople were Greeks/Rum/Romans. There's a lot to be expressed here in order for the clear picture to be drawn. If we were to go all the way back in history then it's important to note that Levantine tribes were nomadic and not stationary. The idea of an isolated culture was never a thing there. National consciousness is rather a European concept/order introduced later to them. Additionally, the Ottomans halted many populations in time due to their banning of free speech, freedom of publicity, freedom of education, etc. The majority of the Palestinian population right before the year 48 were simply farmers who captivated the land for decades because most of the capable and academic Palestinians were either in exile or executed (Mostly by British forces). The Ottomans did "shield" some populations from the West in many regards, as some may argue, but they set them back in many other regards. It wasn't until the mid-1910s that those freedoms were granted. That's when most national ideas, aspirations, goals, or whatnot started to arise. Like the 1911 Anti-colonial, Anti-Zionist newspaper "Falastin". From 1930: "If Palestine has a right to say that it has fallen under two mandatories, a British one and a Zionist one, the Orthodox community has the right to say that it has fallen under three mandatories, a British one, a Zionist one, and yet a third Greek one. These three mandatories have combined to aid one another in depriving Palestinian Arabs of their rights." Anti-Zionist colonization excerpt after the Balfour Declaration (1918) caricature warning of Zionists in 1936: Edited January 22 by Jjang 1
TeemoR Posted January 22 Posted January 22 6 minutes ago, SmittenCake said: ******* idiots Elon Musk is doing all of this for damage control. The big guns obviously came after him. Not that this is an excuse for him to do this...but I think that's why he's doing this. 2 hours ago, playwithme said: The far-left is absolutely hopeless. They will surely help to put Trump back into the White House, and Trump will just let Netanyahu turn Gaza into a parking lot. I don't think that Biden has a path to victory. Trump's comeback would be a huge win for Israel. Biden can literally f*** off, I hope he loses.
Aethereal Posted January 22 Posted January 22 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jjang said: There's a lot to be expressed here in order for the clear picture to be drawn. If we were to go all the way back in history then it's important to note that Levantine tribes were nomadic and not stationary. The idea of an isolated culture was never a thing there. National consciousness is rather a European concept/order introduced later to them. Additionally, the Ottomans halted many populations in time due to their banning of free speech, freedom of publicity, freedom of education, etc. The majority of the Palestinian population right before the year 48 were simply farmers who captivated the land for decades because most of the capable and academic Palestinians were either in exile or executed (Mostly by British forces). The Ottomans did "shield" some populations from the West in many regards, as some may argue, but they set them back in many other regards. It wasn't until the mid-1910s that those freedoms were granted. That's when most national ideas, aspirations, goals, or whatnot started to arise. Like the 1911 Anti-colonial, Anti-Zionist newspaper "Falastin". From 1930: "If Palestine has a right to say that it has fallen under two mandatories, a British one and a Zionist one, the Orthodox community has the right to say that it has fallen under three mandatories, a British one, a Zionist one, and yet a third Greek one. These three mandatories have combined to aid one another in depriving Palestinian Arabs of their rights." Anti-Zionist colonization excerpt after the Balfour Declaration (1918) caricature warning of Zionists in 1936: OK we went a little bit off topic but I don't think it matters whenever they had Palestinian national conscious before or not regardless what Zionists say. They are indigenous and oppressed. This is as stupid as to say Black Americans did not call themselves Black before slavery despite being true it is an irrelevant argument either. Edited January 22 by Aristotle 1
SmittenCake Posted January 22 Posted January 22 27 minutes ago, Chemist said: Why should they believe Israel? We all know they won't stick to their promises. 3
Aethereal Posted January 23 Posted January 23 Quote Israel gave Gaza independence: False. It locked them up and controls everything. Within Gaza, they can do whatever they want unless its about digging water, getting permits, importing construction material, controlling taxes, electricity etc etc. Israel gave Gaza water: False. Israel sells Gaza water as and when it feels like and deducts the payment from taxes it collects and sometimes even witholds that. Israel gave Gaza electricity: False. Same as above. All Gaza had to do is to live in peace: Partially false. Gaza is under occupation, they want to survive. That’s what they are doing. 80% of the people are refugees who have been expelled from other parts of Palestine. There are no job opportunities because of severe restrictions. It survives, barely, on aid and tries to resist. West Bank is what Gaza would be if there was no Hamas i.e. movement severely restricted, regular attacks by settlers, and arbitrary detentions etc.
SmittenCake Posted January 23 Posted January 23 46 minutes ago, Aristotle said: What's with her eyes?
ClashAndBurn Posted January 23 Posted January 23 (edited) Columbia students allegedly came back from serving with the IDF and sprayed pro-Palestine protesters with skunk water Edited January 23 by ClashAndBurn 1
ICLDXU4HS Posted January 23 Posted January 23 ZioNAZI freaks making hateful, deranged posts in here before hiding them a few minutes later? On brand, I guess. @Rebel Lion 1
Rebel Lion Posted January 23 Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, ICLDXU4HS said: ZioNAZI freaks making hateful, deranged posts in here before hiding them a few minutes later? On brand, I guess. @Rebel Lion I realized I read the post wrong. Calm down 1
Varrock Posted January 23 Posted January 23 8 hours ago, SmittenCake said: You positing this as if it’s a celebration is weird and deranged as **** 1 5
Varrock Posted January 23 Posted January 23 8 hours ago, SmittenCake said: Why should they believe Israel? We all know they won't stick to their promises. Every ceasefire Israel has had with Hamas for the last two decades has been broken by Hamas themselves, lol. Educate yourself rather than living in your delulu world 2 6
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