news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[truthteller]

i see this war has done nothing but damage to people's brains 

[SeeingStars1515]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

Do you think there's a societal benefit to right-wing media using isolated incidents of hate crimes and attacks to suggest there's some conspiracy of a widespread international operation by Hamas despite themselves saying that they do not have any evidence of such?

 

Are Jewish people in the West made safer through inaccurate reporting meant to only further incense a war thousands of miles away?

Are Jewish people safer with everyone downplaying true acts of anti-Semitism? No.

I don't think this report is suggesting a societal widespread attack by Hamas on multiple continents. Is it possible a group of Hamas inspired or affiliated supporters would conceive a terrorist attack? Yes.

We've already seen instances of vandalism widespread against synagogues, Jewish-owned stores and homes, and yes, people at Free Palestinian protests yelling "Gas the Jews!"

 

None of this takes away my support of Palestine.

 

But it does show how quick people have fallen for anti semitic tropes.

[Delirious]

Chile....the replies 

 

ATRL never change

[Both Sides Now]

Just now, SeeingStars1515 said:

It's a lie? So everything that is reported by the news is a lie except one narrative? lol ok.

If you use your brain you can see how clearly this is a false flag. Hamas have never operated outside of Gaza. Their political goals are clearly focused on Israel. Why would they all of a sudden begin acts of terrorism in Europe? Especially in the midst of a war… As, another user has pointed out, their charter states that they only have beef with Israel. This is the same charter that Israel uses time and time again to justify its genocide so we can’t pick and choose when to believe it. 
 

If you try to reason this out for even a moment you would understand it makes absolutely no sense. Support for Israel is collapsing across Europe. Suddenly, news is that HAMAS ARE OPERATING IN BERLIN AND COPENHAGEN. …Convenient. 

[Delirious]

8 minutes ago, SeeingStars1515 said:

They do not spread "fake news" You sound just like a QAnon supporter.

There's no use arguing with them. I gave them a link documenting all the stuff Hamas did on Oct 7 (a lot of videos were recorded by Hama's GoPros btw 💀) and they said they weren't gonna click on it cause it's gonna be propaganda anyways.

 

NSFW link: https://www.hamas-massacre.net/

Edited December 15, 2023 by Delirious

[ClashAndBurn]

6 minutes ago, SeeingStars1515 said:

They do not spread "fake news" You sound just like a QAnon supporter.

They absolutely do. The fell all over themselves to spread fake news stories that turned out to be false during the Russiagate era especially.

[Communion]

8 minutes ago, SeeingStars1515 said:

I don't think this report is suggesting a societal widespread attack by Hamas on multiple continents.

The literal article and framing by.the OP suggests otherwise. 

 

So again, do you think it benefits Jewish people to spread the baseless idea that Hamas is actively organizing mass terror attacks across Europe - despite Hamas not being either an Islamic terror group nor there being an evidence of such?

 

Do you think Palestinians are made safer when the media has a disparity where anti-Palestinian hate crimes are individualized yet antisemitic hate crimes are used to fuel conspiracies that then are used to justify even more anti-Palestinian hate crimes?

 

What would you call it if the media pushed a baseless conspiracy like that anti-Palestinian and anti-Arab hate crimes were actually acts of terror being organized by a shady unknown global Jewish organization on behalf of Israel?

Edited December 15, 2023 by Communion

[Dula Peep]

12 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Western media outlets spread fake news in service of the interests of the American Empire and Israel all the time, yes.

the far left has officially turned into the alt right/fox news  

 

not everything is some grand, elaborate conspiracy theory working against you... 

Edited December 15, 2023 by Dula Peep

[Jjang]

2 minutes ago, Delirious said:

There's no use arguing with them. I gave them a link documenting all the stuff Hamas did on Oct 7 (a lot of videos were recorded by Hama's GoPros btw 💀) and they said they weren't gonna click on it cause it's gonna be propaganda anyways.

and you have pages like Eye on Palestine with 10 million followers on Instagram that have been documenting Israel's barbaric crimes against the Palestinians every single day for more than 5 years now and you still turn a blind eye, why? 

[Delirious]

1 minute ago, Jjang said:

and you have pages like Eye on Palestine with 10 million followers on Instagram that have been documenting Israel's barbaric crimes against the Palestinians every single day for more than 5 years now and you still turn a blind eye, why? 

I've turned a blind eye? Since when? I've been condemning IDF since the very start.

 

I want to see the ATRLers on here do the same for Hamas though, but we all know that won't happen. Especially when we have so many here calling them freedom fighters or whatever. Licking their boots disgusting 

[ClashAndBurn]

6 minutes ago, Delirious said:

There's no use arguing with them. I gave them a link documenting all the stuff Hamas did on Oct 7 (a lot of videos were recorded by Hama's GoPros btw 💀) and they said they weren't gonna click on it cause it's gonna be propaganda anyways.

 

NSFW link: https://www.hamas-massacre.net/

I wouldn't click those links because I don't want Israeli spyware on my computer. You tried.  

[Aethereal]

44 minutes ago, Luckitty said:

I don't believe it, why would Hamas do a terrorist attack in Europe when they have not done it before? 
 

Hamas' goal is the liberation of Palestine, bombing Europe is pointless for them, they barely have any resources to defend themselves why would they bomb an unrelated place?

 

i think they're either lying in an attempt to make Palestine lose support or they arrested some "terrorists" and just called them Hamas even if they were not

 

1 hour ago, Jjang said:

the intentional public fear mongering  

 

Now every attack in the West (fake or not lol) is suddenly gonna be associated with “Khamas” to support the Israeli propaganda that they’re a threat to Western civilization. 

 

I’m sure the ADL antisemitism tracker is gonna have a bunch of “Hamas supporters spotted in XYZ!” tracker statements just like when they classified the sentence “free Palestine” as antisemitism and used those statistics to back up the “500% rise in antisemitism in America!!!!” statement in 2021 when Sheikh Jarrah protests were happening. 

 

 

Many of the terrorist attacks are done as a form of response or revenge towards the West military action (especially America's) in the Muslim countries. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings

For example the terrorist attack of 2004 Madrid was an opposition towards Spain's support of America's war on Iraq and Afghanistan. 

This does not in any shape or form justify those actions but there is more to those attacks than just radical Muslims wanting to murder random strangers. 

 

Therefore terrorist attacks against Jews are very probable at this point with Israeli bombing Gaza like never before. 

[Delirious]

Just now, ClashAndBurn said:

I wouldn't click those links because I don't want Israeli spyware on my computer. You tried.  

Which goes to show how dense you are.  

[SeeingStars1515]

8 minutes ago, Communion said:

 

 

What would you call it if the media pushed a baseless conspiracy like that anti-Palestinian and anti-Arab hate crimes were actually acts of terror being organized by a shady unknown global Jewish organization on behalf of Israel?

The media doesn't need to....people already do that for them

[Luckitty]

Just now, Aristotle said:

 

Many of the terrorist attacks are done as a form of response or revenge towards the West military action (especially America's) in the Muslim countries. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings

For example the terrorist attack of 2004 Madrid was an opposition towards Spain's support of America's war on Iraq and Afghanistan. 

This does not in any shape or form justify those actions but there is more to those attacks than just radical Muslims wanting to murder random strangers. 

 

Therefore terrorist attacks against Jews are very probable at this point with Israeli bombing Gaza like never before. 

that's not what we're talking about though? we're not saying that a terrorist attack is impossible to happen in Europe, we're just saying that them calling the terrorists "Hamas" sounds like a lie

[Delirious]

5 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

I wouldn't click those links because I don't want Israeli spyware on my computer. You tried.  

@SeeingStars1515 you see who we're talking to here? I mean...

[pisuke]

Just now, Delirious said:

@SeeingStars1515 you see who we're talking to here? I mean...

 

Feeling very cocky defending genocide? 

[Jjang]

1 minute ago, Delirious said:

I've turned a blind eye? Since when? I've been condemning IDF since the very start.

 

I want to see the ATRLers on here do the same for Hamas though, but we all know that won't happen. Especially when we have so many here calling them freedom fighters or whatever. Licking their boots disgusting 

Really? 'cause I keep track of the ATRL Zionists and I haven't seen you do that once. I have seen you play devil's advocate on pretty much the vast majority of threads about this topic in which you participated. I also did a quick search and can give you examples, if you wish. 

 

So you agree, the IDF is a terrorist organization and Israel's occupation is the catalyst of all the violence in the region? 

[Delirious]

5 minutes ago, pisuke said:

 

Feeling very cocky defending genocide? 

 

4 minutes ago, Jjang said:

Really? 'cause I keep track of the ATRL Zionists and I haven't seen you do that once. I have seen you play devil's advocate on pretty much the vast majority of threads about this topic in which you participated. I also did a quick search and can give you examples, if you wish. 

 

So you agree, the IDF is a terrorist organization and Israel's occupation is the catalyst of all the violence in the region? 

Search for it. I ain't gonna waste more time with people like you who won't condemn Hamas actions.

[Delirious]

6 minutes ago, pisuke said:

 

Feeling very cocky defending genocide? 

And don't twist my words. Lol you thought you did something 

[State of Grace.]

Here comes the Ellie Goulding stan with the braindead "I luv Palestinians but KHAMAS" takes...Ciao 

[Both Sides Now]

5 minutes ago, Jjang said:

Really? 'cause I keep track of the ATRL Zionists and I haven't seen you do that once. I have seen you play devil's advocate on pretty much the vast majority of threads about this topic in which you participated. I also did a quick search and can give you examples, if you wish. 

 

So you agree, the IDF is a terrorist organization and Israel's occupation is the catalyst of all the violence in the region? 

All the usual suspects in here love to play “both sides are bad 🥺🥺” but only ever antagonise pro-Palestinian posters. 

Anyways, Free Palestine. Support for Israel has utterly collapsed in the West and threats of “Khamas will kill you too if given the chance!” won’t erase the images of genocide in billions of people’s minds. 

[Communion]

11 minutes ago, SeeingStars1515 said:

The media doesn't need to....people already do that for them

The media is made up of people. It's just a collection of powerful peopoe. What are you even trying to sau?

 

So you're not going to acknowledge it similarly is bad and both harms Palestinians and Jews when Western media does no different here and spreads baseless conspiracies?

[Dialamba]

The zionists love to shut up people with their antisemitism bs every time Israel gets called out. 

[Delirious]

1 minute ago, State of Grace. said:

Here comes the Ellie Goulding stan with the braindead "I luv Palestinians but KHAMAS" takes...Ciao 

That's right! Better than being a Hamas boot licker...Ciao!