news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[Letemtalk]

9 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

Israel had built a bunker under the hospital years ago, so they're going to find the space, because they put it there. They'll just dress it up and call it a Hamas bunker, and boom, now you're justified murdering thousands of civilians. That's how it works, isn't it?

Did they make it big enough to act as a Hamas headquarters?

 

Perhaps they're going to need to get a real estate photographer from Tel Aviv to make the room look 10 times at big as it really it. I'm sure the IDF will claim they found a Hamas base and that senile old man in the White House will believe them.

[CroNich]

1 hour ago, Rihannaaa said:

I don’t care that you blame Israel for everything  but you justify Hamas and their actions by “no space” situation in Gaza? And then you call everyone else brainwash? What wrong with you

They build a lot of underground tunnel, and to think that it’s a coincidence that the main entries are under hospital it’s mean that you that naive or you just hate Israel. There were shooting rockets in children kindergarten but I guess there was no space for them in any other place. And the thing that you want Israel to help them so much after they raped us and slathered us but you don’t blame Hamas for not helping is the truth brainwashed. 
And by the way check the information about Palestinian population and hot it raise in the last years before you call it a genocide 

Most of this is honestly too uneducated to respond to but to your last point; an entire population of people don’t need to be killed before you can accuse a force of committing genocide, like do we really need to wait for every single Palestinian to be killed or exiled before we can use the horrible ‘G’ word which has somehow now become antisemitic to use. By definition genocide means:

 

the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroyingthat nation or group.

 

And given the statistic I mentioned on the last page about how 5,000 Palestinians have been murdered before the October 7 attacks even happened, that to me constitutes a large number of a population, considering they were killed in the name of Zionism, who firmly believe they have a right to all the land that was Palestine and have been violently and illegally displacing them for decades to extend their territory and eradicate Palestine from the world map.

 

Now we’re talking 15,000+ civilians dead and half of Gaza destroyed in 4 weeks…

 

Now, tell me again how this is not genocide… quickly 

Edited November 15, 2023 by CroNich

[RihRihGirrrl]

6 hours ago, nooniebao said:

 

Pathetic! 

[Cloröx]

1 hour ago, Letemtalk said:

Have they found the huge underground Hamas headquarters under the al-Shifa hospital yet?

Or is it going to take some time to manufacture the evidence?

 

 

 

 

[Kassi]

I think we’re close to a ceasefire considering Israel has degraded a lot of Hamas’s positions within Gaza. At least I hope that’s the case for all of the innocent civilians.
 

Wish Hamas would have surrendered sooner to prevent all of the fighting. Palestinians deserve better leadership.

[Cloröx]

2 minutes ago, Kassi said:

I think we’re close to a ceasefire considering Israel has degraded a lot of Hamas’s positions within Gaza. At least I hope that’s the case for all of the innocent civilians.
 

Wish Hamas would have surrendered sooner to prevent all of the fighting. Palestinians deserve better leadership.

Nah, Israel deserves the better leadership, not the current racist one. 

[DAP]

https://www.semafor.com/article/11/09/2023/billionaires-discuss-50-million-anti-hamas-media-blitz

 

[Kassi]

54 minutes ago, Cloröx said:

Nah, Israel deserves the better leadership, not the current racist one. 

Agreed. Israel should have had better leadership to prevent Oct 7 from happening.

 

 

Thankfully, Oct 7 had the opposite effect on Netanyahu than 9/11 had on Bush.

 

Both Palestinians and Israelis deserve a better government. 

[Chemist]

You cannot make this **** up

 

[More Than A Melody]

2 hours ago, Letemtalk said:

Did they make it big enough to act as a Hamas headquarters?

 

Perhaps they're going to need to get a real estate photographer from Tel Aviv to make the room look 10 times at big as it really it. I'm sure the IDF will claim they found a Hamas base and that senile old man in the White House will believe them.

Yeah, it includes an entire tunnel network. This article has official details about it, and it's from 2014.

 

They built a bunker and tunnel network in 1983, and they're claiming that Hamas is using it as its headquarters. Truth is, that it doesn't matter, they entered the hospital almost a day ago and still no results, so they've had plenty of time to dress the existing bunker and tunnels, that they themselves built 40 years ago, as  the Hamas headquarters.

[Aethereal]

1 hour ago, Kassi said:

Agreed. Israel should have had better leadership to prevent Oct 7 from happening.

 

 

Thankfully, Oct 7 had the opposite effect on Netanyahu than 9/11 had on Bush.

 

Both Palestinians and Israelis deserve a better government. 

Most Israelis (almost all to be honest but I am being cautious and say most instead) strongly support the operation that's happening in Gaza however  they did gain a massive disdain for Netanyahu after the Oct 7th attack but not for what's going on Gaza.

 

 

Edited November 15, 2023 by Aristotle

[ClashAndBurn]

2 hours ago, Kassi said:

I think we’re close to a ceasefire considering Israel has degraded a lot of Hamas’s positions within Gaza. At least I hope that’s the case for all of the innocent civilians.
 

Wish Hamas would have surrendered sooner to prevent all of the fighting. Palestinians deserve better leadership.

Even after Hamas "surrenders," Israel is going to occupy the region to stick it to Biden. Netanyahu doesn't want the war to end anytime soon, because it's his excuse and lifeline to remaining in power. Not only that, but he knows he can have Trump in his corner as a more ardent supporter (and possibly give him the green light he needs to fully annex Gaza and the West Bank) if he holds out and makes Biden's election prospects more unlikely by forcing him to make the Sophie's Choice of either backing an ethnic cleansing campaign or not appearing to support Israel enough.

 

Hamas can probably hold out with guerilla warfare for 8 months regardless. Which likely means at least 100k dead Palestinian civilians whose blood will be on Joe Biden's hands.

[KUNTPERFECTA]

13 hours ago, CroNich said:

You know what. I told myself I wasn't going to engage with idiots like you for my own sanity and mental health but to make it clear: 

 

Instead of you coming for me for not being able to 'de-bunk' your 'facts', why don't you provide evidence to what you are saying? Can you please show me actual evidence that Israel have provided all these amazing things in Gaza? Do you have the invoices? Did you see the deals being made? Can you even find one article that provides any sort of evidence to what you are saying in the bolded paragraph above? Can you provide any evidence whatsoever that Israel and the IDF have been protecting the interests of Palestinian people since the commencement of the illegal occupation back in the 1940s? 

 

And while we're at it talking facts, here are some facts for you: 

 

• Since October 7, over 12,000 innocent Palestinians have been MURDERED through air strikes, bombings and raids within Gaza - yet only 1 hostage has been successfully 'rescued' as you pointed out. So either the mission to rescue the hostages has been a complete and utter disaster by the IDF or they simply don't care about the lives of innocent Palestinians or the hostages for that matter. 
• Since 2008 over 5,600 Palestinians have been killed as a result of violence with Israel, while Israel has only reported 250 people killed. Literally less than 5% of the number of Palestinians killed.
• Raids have been occurring in the West Bank for decades, killing 170 Palestinians (including 30 children) back in 2022 alone. 
• Israel’s separation barrier, ostensibly solely built for security, in fact slices through the West Bank significantly more than it runs along the Green Line separating the West Bank from Israel, contrary to international humanitarian law, as confirmed by the International Court of Justice in July 2004.
• Israel have committed at least five categories of major violations of international human rights law and humanitarian law characterize the occupation: unlawful killings; forced displacement; abusive detention; the closure of the Gaza Strip and other unjustified restrictions on movement; and the development of settlements, along with the accompanying discriminatory policies that disadvantage Palestinians. And this was even before the attack by Hamas on October 7.
• Israel have been caught out lying on numerous occasions since the beginning of this current conflict, including accusing Hamas of beheading babies, raping children and targeting their own hospitals. All of which has since been disproven even though it was communicated through mainstream media and western government officials. 
• Tens of thousands of Jews (that we know of) have come out in support of Palestine, and their right for existence and freedom. How many muslims or people from the Middle East are out supporting Israel? ZERO. Why do you think that is?
• Multiple Israeli officials have publicly called for the eradication of all Palestinians, and have continually de-humanised them, often referring to (in this case) literally premature new born BABIES struggling to stay alive on incubators as being animals and terrorists to justify them being killed.

 

I mean I could go on and on on about actual FACTS and the truth, but the reality is even YOU know all of this. Even you, deep down (or more consciously I would hope), know that what has been occurring in the region has been decades of violence, oppression and genocidal intentions by the Israeli Government and the IDF. And these are just blanket, well-known facts. These don't account for every story or video of violence and oppression that has come out in the last 15 years that the mainstream media won't report on even though these incidents have been well documented and seen throughout social media and online.

 

I truly believe you must be being paid or you've fallen for people who have been paid by Israel to go online and spread fantasies and delusions on how the white saviour Israel has been nothing but kind, loving and generous saviour of the Palestinian people and Middle Eastern Muslims when in reality the opposite is true. They want to destroy Palestine and anyone who stands in there way, and this has been clearly documented and confirmed by Israeli officials in the last few weeks.

 

And what is truly, truly ironic is that you're accusing me of throwing words into the air and calling them the truth when thats exactly what YOU'RE doing, as everything I've said is based on historical documentation and recollections from a myriad of sources, while I will be really surprised if you can provide me with a single one to back up any of what you're saying.

 

But again, you already knew of all of this. 

 

And before you come at me again with your one baseline comment of Hamas are terrorists, point, blank period ; yes violence has been committed on both sides. Both sides have committed atrocities and war crimes that deserve to be punished, but it doesn't take even an idiot to look at the history of conflict in the region to see who is the oppressor and who is the oppressed, and as a queer person I am choosing and will always choose to stand with the oppressed. The fact that (and assuming you are queer being a Gaga stan) you're not would be concerning, but your posts in here have already outed you as a deluded, genocide-loving, Palestinian-hating, far-right, oppressive, racists Zionist so I'm actually not that gagged. 

The fact you’re calling me an idiot on the first paragraph of this post says a lot about you. I’m not gonna read your words after the way you speak to me, not until you grow up and act politely. I’ve read some statements that you wrote above and again, all lies and hate. 
 

and the ending paragraph? Are you serious? You need to calm down, drink some water. I’m not gonna react to your violent comment. Rethink your words and act like a grown up. 
 

[KUNTPERFECTA]

Also the way some of you post memes here and laugh at the situation is just sad. Innocent people are harmed and you post memes and laugh in a topic that should discuss this subject in a serious manner. Grow up and stop the hate. 

[welham]

The "evidence" they've shown so far after 18 hours 

 

Liars, losers, frauds 

[FOCK]

Priorities of “the most moral army in the world”. If it weren’t such evil, it’s an utter joke. 

Edited November 15, 2023 by FOCK

[Aethereal]

The number of dead Palestinians reported from 8th to 14th November does not seem to be as big as from the 8th to 14th October according to reports so far. 

 

Is this a result of lack of reports or maybe most the areas in the north are now empty? And where are they going to send Palestinians when IDF starts operating in the south?

 

2 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Even after Hamas "surrenders," Israel is going to occupy the region to stick it to Biden. Netanyahu doesn't want the war to end anytime soon, because it's his excuse and lifeline to remaining in power. Not only that, but he knows he can have Trump in his corner as a more ardent supporter (and possibly give him the green light he needs to fully annex Gaza and the West Bank) if he holds out and makes Biden's election prospects more unlikely by forcing him to make the Sophie's Choice of either backing an ethnic cleansing campaign or not appearing to support Israel enough.

 

Hamas can probably hold out with guerilla warfare for 8 months regardless. Which likely means at least 100k dead Palestinian civilians whose blood will be on Joe Biden's hands.

Unfortunately the war will probably last more than 8 months regardless what American intelligence says.

[Headlock]

7 hours ago, Rihannaaa said:

And by the way check the information about Palestinian population and hot it raise in the last years before you call it a genocide 

I realize you are a dupe and a troll, but I want you to know how deeply horrible of a person you are.

[ClashAndBurn]

14 minutes ago, Aristotle said:

The number of dead Palestinians reported from 8th to 14th November does not seem to be as big as from the 8th to 14th October according to reports so far. 

 

Is this a result of lack of reports or maybe most the areas in the north are now empty? And where are they going to send Palestinians when IDF starts operating in the south?

 

Unfortunately the war will probably last more than 8 months regardless what American intelligence says.

I figured that as well, but I figured I'd at least mention the best case scenario that US intelligence is even suggesting to throw cold water on the Pollyanna notion that a Hamas surrender and total ceasefire is imminent. The Israeli government, however much they may say otherwise to placate international criticisms, do not see a distinction between civilians and Hamas, and are undoubtedly angling for maximal collective punishment as their revenge. Just like how Americans would gleefully fantasize about turning the ENTIRE Middle East into glass with nuclear bombs in the wake of 9/11.

[KUNTPERFECTA]

Look. Just look.  
 

 

maybe it’s time the users here start condemning HamasISIS? It’s time to face the facts. HamasISIS is a terrorist organization that hides behind citizens. 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 15, 2023 by KUNTPERFECTA

[ClashAndBurn]

"the IDF tries to keep civilians out of the line of fire"

 

      

[Aethereal]

9 minutes ago, KUNTPERFECTA said:

Look. Just look.  
 

 

maybe it’s time the users here start condemning HamasISIS? It’s time to face the facts. HamasISIS is a terrorist organization that hides behind citizens. 

 

 

 

 

Israel trying to avoid civilian deaths is not entirely a myth but the only reason why they do it is because they are afraid of the backflash of the public opinion. 

[ZeroSuitBritney]

L after L after L for Israeli propaganda. 

 

 

[More Than A Melody]

7 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

Israel had built a bunker under the hospital years ago, so they're going to find the space, because they put it there. They'll just dress it up and call it a Hamas bunker, and boom, now you're justified murdering thousands of civilians. That's how it works, isn't it?

[Stankonia]

On 11/14/2023 at 12:24 PM, KUNTPERFECTA said:

 

It’s not her, stop posting every tweet you see

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CznKnHJi5U3/?

 

On 11/14/2023 at 8:49 AM, Rihannaaa said:

It’s not her, stop posting every tweet you see

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CznKnHJi5U3/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

@Bloo Can we please get a dupe check for these two awfully similar genocide deniers?