news Israel-Palestine Conflict 2023/ 2024 Mega Thread

[FOCK]

2 hours ago, Chemist said:

Israel and the US are really mad at the UN for this

 

Their response.

 

 

 

[Communion]

2 hours ago, welham said:

Y’all, the way zionists are SCRAMBLING underneath videos of the released hostage saying that H*amas treated her and the other hostage well is 

Like, I have no love for Hamas, and they’re saying that she was instructed to say that because her husband is still in captivity. Could be true, but again, the way they’re melting down all over Twitter underneath interviews with her about how it will be a “death sentence” to their hasbara campaign is just 

 

(The reactions I’m referencing are all in Hebrew underneath videos of the interview posted by Israeli news channels’ accounts, so that’s probably why you don’t see the stuff I talk about at all/very late)

Apparently she's a peace activist herself. More selflessness than every Zionist combined.

 

 

[Communion]

1 hour ago, Gaia said:

Rania of Jordan condemning the actions of Hamas while also making her point to condemn Israel for their actions and explaining eloquently that the issue far precedes Oct 7th with Israel's occupation and historical violence towards Palestinians. Stating any country has the right to defend itself but also explaining how Israel is not "defending itself" by killing Palestinian civilians due to actions of Hamas. Her condemning ALL violence and never justifying once killing any Israeli civilians but calling out the lack of Western government reactions to the killing of Palestinian civilians and Israel government's war crimes. Calling out the double standard of IDFs atrocities not being labeled terrorism while Hamas atrocities are. Her explaining how this war will have no "victory" and the only path to peace is if Palestine can have their own autonomous and independent state because even if Hamas is eradicated, if Israel's continues its reign of terror a new and more violent generation of anti-Israel hating Palestinians will emerge.

 

Nice to see someone being able to make their points without once justifying the deaths of any Israelis  She made some points.

Oh wow, you praising her despite her explicitly calling out the hypocrisy rooted in calling Hamas a terrorist organization and criticizing Biden for paroting the unverified stories regarding babies. 

 

If this was a random post on here, you'd call them a ISIS Al-Qaeda supporter. Progress.

 

"I have never seen a Western leader recognize Palestinians have a right to defend themselves". 

Edited October 24, 2023 by Communion

[ZeroSuitBritney]

Not this Roblox pro-Palestine protest having more people show up than any real life pro-Israel protest 

 

 

[SmittenCake]

21 hours ago, Communion said:

Liberals: "Biden is doing amazing! He cares for the Palestinians! Let's applaud the US for their stance!"

 

Reality: *the US delaying Israel's ground invasion because they know the IDF would already be largely out-matched by Hamas in ground operations and that Israel's desperation once largely embarrassed on the ground would lead to further weaponry that would cause neighboring countries to intervene, which the US is now helping Israel prep for*

 

is this true?

[Nova_23]

16 minutes ago, SmittenCake said:

is this true?

Yes. the IDF does not do well with ground wars. See 2014 in Gaza and then the 2006 war against Hezbollah. 

 

They’re notoriously known for being terrible ground fighters…

[Thor]

Barbaric, racist, bloodthirsty ghouls

[welham]

If anyone’s interested in seeing the genocidal language prevalent in the country right now, here’s an example. Go through the replies and see for yourselves. Use Twitter’s translation tool (even if bad, you should get an idea of what these people want).

[Scars]

5 hours ago, Aristotle said:

Majority of genocides and deadly conflicts in Global South countries are incited by their leaders without any relation with the West though. (Not to minimize America's partial involvement in some of them.)

No. This is a broad statement that doesn't really say much, especially about what was discussed in the post you quoted. One can't look at the modern history of most nations from the Global South without considering the role played by colonialism, imperalism and neo-imperalism.

 

5 hours ago, Aristotle said:

There are also deadly genocides committed by Communists like the mass starvation of Ukrainians in 1932-1933, even though scholars are disputed whenever this famine was deliberately engineered by Stalin or an accident of policies that were taken back in the time.

Europe, including Eastern Europe, isn't a part of the Global South.

[Aethereal]

1 minute ago, Scars said:

 

Europe, including Eastern Europe, isn't a part of the Global South.

Do you know what Eastern Europe went through from Nazis and Communists? Global south vs north dichotomy you're bringing is so stupid, as if Brazil or Argentina suffered more than Poland. And it's not like you can relate to Palestinians any more than a Swede can. If you're Middle Class and White passing you're 100 times closer to the average White American than to a Palestinian in Gaza or the average Black African in Liberia regardless if you're in "Global South".

[jakeisphat]

 

[family.guy123]

Relieved to hear that hostage had such a pleasant experience with her captors.

 

 

Edited October 25, 2023 by family.guy123

[Scars]

1 hour ago, Aristotle said:

Do you know what Eastern Europe went through from Nazis and Communists? Global south vs north dichotomy you're bringing is so stupid, as if Brazil or Argentina suffered more than Poland. And it's not like you can relate to Palestinians any more than a Swede can. If you're Middle Class and White passing you're 100 times closer to the average White American than to a Palestinian in Gaza or the average Black African in Liberia regardless if you're in "Global South".

 

...um, what? Are you ok? 

 

A harmless interaction between two South American members discussing the fight of our people against the West-backed horror inflicted on them, discussion which happened in a context of solidarity to the Palestinian struggle, got under your skin like that? I literally stated that I can't relate to life under an apartheid regime.

 

Your post reads like you were dying for a chance to scream "Communists did bad things!", so you randomly quoted a post about a topic that you're clearly not familiar with, only to derail the conversation and make a fool out of yourself while at it.

 

This Twitter'd take on geopolitics, completely void of substance. You're just babbling words and clearly out of your depth here. 

 

I'm not white or "white passing", but I'll make sure to feel close to white americans when the Western Hegemony, under the current global capitalist regime, collapses.

Edited October 25, 2023 by Scars

[Nova_23]

 

 

[nooniebao]

 

[Nova_23]

I feel like what’s been lost in all of this is by attacking Israel on the 7th of October, Hamas has allowed Palestinians to unmask the genocidal terroristic state that is Israel to the world and is forcing people to either stand with Palestine or admit they support the genocide of the Palestinians. 

 

A true mask off moment for Israel and it’s supporters. 

 

And the irony is that Hamas hasn’t had to do anything since that attack. Palestinians sharing their stories, Israel/the west with their lies and the media trying to sell the propaganda to people even though they see the truth has really shifted the narrative. Israel, the USA, the EU and western media are self imploding before our eyes. 

 

It’s amazing how the truth reveals itself when people SEE for themselves what’s happening instead of being told what’s happening. 

Edited October 25, 2023 by Nova_23

[RihRihGirrrl]

9 minutes ago, Nova_23 said:

 

 

You can't make this stuff up 

[Nova_23]

4 minutes ago, RihRihGirrrl said:

You can't make this stuff up 

i wonder if they’ll do a segment on the palestinian dogs who are suffering in gaza and the west bank.  their lives matter too right? 

Edited October 25, 2023 by Nova_23

[Aethereal]

5 minutes ago, Scars said:

 

...um, what? Are you ok? 

 

A harmless interaction between two South American members discussing the fight of our people against the West-backed horror inflicted on them, in a context of solidarity to the Palestinian struggle, got under your skin like that? I literally stated that I can't relate to life under an apartheid regime.

 

Your post reads like you were dying for a chance to scream "Communists did bad things!", so you randomly quoted a post about a topic that you're clearly not familiar with, only to derail the conversation and make a fool out of yourself while at it.

 

This Twitter'd take on geopolitics, completely void of substance. You're just babbling words and clearly out of your depth here. 

 

I'm not white or "white passing", but I'll make sure to feel close to white americans when the Western Hegemony, under the current global capitalist regime, collapses.

Global south and north are vague terms. But yeah your post screamed "I am want to be an oppressed white person" when you used "Global South" instead of revealing you are POC. 

 

And you don't know much about the history of Middle East either if you think it was all rainbows and sunshine until the West came along.  

[family.guy123]

9 minutes ago, Nova_23 said:

I feel like what’s been lost in all of this is by attacking Israel on the 7th of October, Hamas has allowed Palestinians to unmask the genocidal terroristic state that is Israel to the world and is forcing people to either stand with Palestine or admit they support the genocide of the Palestinians. 

 

A true mask off moment for Israel and it’s supporters. 

 

And the irony is that Hamas hasn’t had to do anything since that attack. Palestinians sharing their stories, Israel/the west with their lies and the media trying to sell the propaganda to people even though they see the truth has really shifted the narrative. Israel, the USA, the EU and western media are self imploding before our eyes. 

 

It’s amazing how the truth reveals itself when people SEE for themselves what’s happening instead of being told what’s happening. 

How has Hamas allowed Palestinians that? Or are you suggesting they were preventing as much before 10/7?

[Aethereal]

@Scars, I see you're writing an essay and I am getting mass downvoted again from experts (who don't usually respond back) but can you tell why is Global North responsible for those numerous  highly deadly conflicts that in some cases caused mass starvation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Ethiopia#Federal_Democratic_Republic_of_Ethiopia_(from_1995)

 

The US even sent humanitarian aid to Somalia.

Ethiopia was also never colonized.

 

 

And I am not sure if I can continue so I will likely get an infraction for going off topic. 

Also I apologize to the mods for going off topic I will easily hide my post if it is over the top.

[Scars]

39 minutes ago, Aristotle said:

Global south and north are vague terms

Global South isn’t a vague term at all, actually. It's history within academia discourse goes deep and in the context of my post, it spoke directly to the complex dynamics of those nations within global capitalism.

 

39 minutes ago, Aristotle said:

But yeah your post screamed "I am want to be an oppressed white person" when you used "Global South" instead of revealing you are POC. 

Not really interested in your attempt of policing my words, but no, the use of "Global South" perfectly worked for that post. I was literally talking about non-western countries with a shared history of armed resistance against brutal regimes. This is a Palestine-Israel thread. Context, dear.

 

You're unable to comprehend conversations that touch on neo-imperalism, class, world hegemony and global politics and go beyond a neoliberal surface-level compression of identity politics within western circles. 

Edited October 25, 2023 by Scars

[Communion]

1 hour ago, Aristotle said:

Do you know what Eastern Europe went through from Nazis and Communists? Global south vs north dichotomy you're bringing is so stupid, as if Brazil or Argentina suffered more than Poland. And it's not like you can relate to Palestinians any more than a Swede can. If you're Middle Class and White passing you're 100 times closer to the average White American than to a Palestinian in Gaza or the average Black African in Liberia regardless if you're in "Global South".

 

53 minutes ago, Aristotle said:

Global south and north are vague terms. But yeah your post screamed "I am want to be an oppressed white person" when you used "Global South" instead of revealing you are POC. 

 

And you don't know much about the history of Middle East either if you think it was all rainbows and sunshine until the West came along.  

These posts and the conclusion that the Global South is not a coherent global alignment is so funny when seeing all the spokespeople and pundits from chaos organizations working out of the imperial core like NATO, the National Endowment for Democracy, the Atlantic Council, etc. who argued for the entire global economy to stop and join in defending Ukraine from Russia's illegal advances (such views having strong enough merit on their own) now somehow finding themselves cheering on the equivalent of Russia aka Israel in the illegal Israeli occupation of Palestine.

 

If the power balance of the world is not divided between the Global North and the Global South, why does the head of the EU, Ursula von der Leyen, currently side with the massacring and slaughtering of Palestinians in tactics no different than Russia?

Edited October 25, 2023 by Communion

[Aethereal]

15 minutes ago, Communion said:

 

These posts and the conclusion that the Global South is not a coherent global alignment is so funny when seeing all the spokespeople and pundits from chaos organizations working out of the imperial core like NATO, the National Endowment for Democracy, the Atlantic Council, etc. who argued for the entire global economy to stop and join in defending Ukraine from Russia's illegal advances (such views having strong enough merit on their own) now somehow finding themselves cheering on the equivalent of Russia aka Israel in the illegal Israeli occupation of Palestine.

 

If the power balance of the world is not divided between the Global North and the Global South, why does the head of the EU, Ursula von der Leyen, currently side with the massacring and slaughtering of Palestinians in tactics no different than Russia?

The point of the poster that I was arguing was that the the Global North put their devil horns in the Global South and that most of the genocides and conflicts there are a product of the Global North (some are and I cannot dispute that). Meanwhile you have Global South Muslim Turks who committed genocide towards Global North Christian Pontic Greeks in 20th century, as an irony. So lumping a diverse and complicated world into black and white is not really productive.  

 

And a large amount of support that both Israel and Palestine get is unfortunately political, you rightfully point the hypocrisy of EU's response to Ukraine in comparison to that of  

Palestine but there are also lot's of countries in the Global South that support Russia while condemn Israel. Putin who was responsible for bombing an Ukraine hospital was asking Israel  proof (for moral matters) if they did do the bombing of that Palestinian hospital we discussed days ago. 

 

I condemn both Russia and Israel. 

[More Than A Melody]

2 hours ago, Aristotle said:

Do you know what Eastern Europe went through from Nazis and Communists? Global south vs north dichotomy you're bringing is so stupid, as if Brazil or Argentina suffered more than Poland. And it's not like you can relate to Palestinians any more than a Swede can. If you're Middle Class and White passing you're 100 times closer to the average White American than to a Palestinian in Gaza or the average Black African in Liberia regardless if you're in "Global South".

Both Brazil and Argentina (just like my country) have been subjected to dictatorships that murdered and tortured thousands of people in barbaric ways because of Operation Condor. You really need to brush up on your history books.