alfonso12 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 She is, specially WW. Mariah is almost a non-factor outside the anglosphere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pisuke Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 On 12/30/2023 at 10:52 PM, Freaky Prince said: Easily bigger than Mariah. Taylor has surpassed her in the past 2-3 years. Wattpad worthy. It will take more than having a huge amount of deranged people going crazy about her insipid, bland and basic music to surpass Madonna. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badgalbriel Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 5 minutes ago, pisuke said: It will take more than having a huge amount of... Isn't that exactly the way to measure success? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewel Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 6 hours ago, alfonso12 said: She is, specially WW. Mariah is almost a non-factor outside the anglosphere. Mariah is big in Japan. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cain Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Madonna is WAY bigger than Mariah worldwide, like the only place where Mariah is competition is the US and I guess Japan Taylor still has a long way too go to match Madonna’s longevity, but if she manages to match that she will probably be bigger However culturally Madonna will always remain bigger than Taylor, both because of monoculture in the late 20th century and the boundaries she pushed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevyy Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 8 hours ago, alfonso12 said: She is, specially WW. Mariah is almost a non-factor outside the anglosphere. Mariah is the only - let me repeat - ONLY female recording artist who has sold over 30 million albums in three (3) continents. (Madonna is the only female recording artist who has sold over 10m albums in 4 continents). I never knew that every continent was "the anglosphere". Poor Germany and Co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevyy Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 1 hour ago, Cain said: Madonna is WAY bigger than Mariah worldwide, like the only place where Mariah is competition is the US and I guess Japan Taylor still has a long way too go to match Madonna’s longevity, but if she manages to match that she will probably be bigger However culturally Madonna will always remain bigger than Taylor, both because of monoculture in the late 20th century and the boundaries she pushed Japan is Mariah's UK in comparison to the UK being Madonna's strongest market by market share. So, you guessed right. Mariah has sold 20 million albums in Japan. (The entirety of Asia is in Mariah's hand). Mariah sold extremely well in Japan, South Korea, Thailand, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Malaysia, Indonesia and the Phillippines. Sales from Mainland China are unknown. The Chinese music industry was not developed during either Madonna's or Mariah's prime. (Thence the HK reference which used to be its independent nation, as a colony under the British until 1997). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aden Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 12 hours ago, Hot Volcano said: Taylor's gonna need at least 5 more Cruel Summer type of smashes throughout the next 10 years in order to be put in the same conversation as Madonna. This. Taylor Swift is just commercially popular. That's literally it. Her work is not breaking boundaries or pushing the envelope like Madonna's work. Taylor is having a high in a single year whereas Madonna rode high for 20+ years. Taylor's legacy will be breaking peculiar commercial records that only music heads and her stans will care about in the long run. Madonna birthed every single one of our female faves. 3 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruel Summer Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 11 minutes ago, Aden said: Taylor is having a high in a single year whereas Madonna rode high for 20+ years. 2023 is Taylor’s biggest year, but let’s not pretend she wasn’t among the most consumed artists in the world - and often at #1 - every single year for the last fifteen, too. The most notable thing about her commercial success is how long it’s lasted, how late into her career she’s peaking despite already being massive, and how consistent it’s been. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disconnect Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 She's had a bigger career than both but she hasn’t had any longevity lately because she hasn’t really evolved. People are not as easily shocked as before and neither are they interested in seeing an 65yo lady getting naked on stage and doing all those sorts of things. Her tour does slay but sometimes it looks like Chromatica 2.0. Her time is over even though her prime was great. Mariah and Kylie are still successful because they have been able to adapt to the modern era and have evolved, even Mariah because she did something as inviting Ariana to perform with her, I'd like to ser Madge do the same with Gaga. Sometimes your legacy and longevity are more important than your overall success. Taylor doesn’t have that legacy simply because she's 30 years younger than the others and life doesn’t work like that, but one day, if she counties like this, she'll surpass them all, whether you like it or not. She’s undeniably the #1 artist right now though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magmar Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 swifties are something else 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 What do ye get from these threads? Is it like ego boost for some or what? Why just not appreciate them all? These discussions lead nowhere and do not bring anything new. The truth is Madonna's career and anyone's career can't be compared unless they started their career the same year. Madonna started her career in the early 80's and was the powerhouse Taylor is to some today. Sold out stadiums, general madness around her... everything that is The Eras Tour Madonna had with her Who's That Girl and Blond Ambition Tour. The most important thing is that despite ups and downs Madonna powered through and her career is ever lasting. She is the blue print, she wasn't afraid to be controversial, to be provocative or to be supportive when nobody else was or when it wasn't the cool thing to do. She was vocal about anything she wanted and continued on. And still 40+ years into her career people go and see her in sold out arenas because they know she's a legend that delivers an amazing show. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceOddity Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Way bigger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetness Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 On 12/30/2023 at 4:52 PM, Freaky Prince said: Easily bigger than Mariah. Taylor has surpassed her in the past 2-3 years. Guinness says other wise though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevyy Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 3 minutes ago, Sweetness said: Guinness says other wise though. Guinness also put Taylor in her place... and nobody seems to be remembering that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevyy Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Merry Christmas is at #35 on the Oricon Albums Chart in Japan this week. (Highest position in 27 years). Merry Christmas has sold 730,000 units in 2023. What was Madonna's best selling album of 2023? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetness Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 40 minutes ago, Paddy said: What do ye get from these threads? Is it like ego boost for some or what? Why just not appreciate them all? These discussions lead nowhere and do not bring anything new. The truth is Madonna's career and anyone's career can't be compared unless they started their career the same year. Madonna started her career in the early 80's and was the powerhouse Taylor is to some today. Sold out stadiums, general madness around her... everything that is The Eras Tour Madonna had with her Who's That Girl and Blond Ambition Tour. The most important thing is that despite ups and downs Madonna powered through and her career is ever lasting. She is the blue print, she wasn't afraid to be controversial, to be provocative or to be supportive when nobody else was or when it wasn't the cool thing to do. She was vocal about anything she wanted and continued on. And still 40+ years into her career people go and see her in sold out arenas because they know she's a legend that delivers an amazing show. The first female to headline her own tour and to do a staduim where she performed in front of a crowd of over 130,000 in just 5 year time span, this woman pepsi commercial drew in ratings of 250 million in 1989. Mariah and Taylor are successful but they not on her level. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetness Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 18 minutes ago, stevyy said: Merry Christmas is at #35 on the Oricon Albums Chart in Japan this week. (Highest position in 27 years). Merry Christmas has sold 730,000 units in 2023. What was Madonna's best selling album of 2023? Did she release an album in 2023, I know her next album with probably do better than Mariah newest release. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevyy Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 5 minutes ago, Sweetness said: Did she release an album in 2023, I know her next album with probably do better than Mariah newest release. will it do better than Merry Christmas in 2023 tho? Merry Christmas Netherlands: 43 - 34 - 24 - 10 - 6 - 3 - 3 - 2 - Germany: 19 - 14 - 2 - Italy: 82 - 33 - 14 - 13 - 15 - 4 - Denmark: 27 - 15 - 8 - 6 - 7 - 8 - Norway: 32 - 12 - 9 - 8 - 8 - 6 - New Zealand: 36 - 27 - 24 - 6 - Lithuania: 35 - 14 - 10 - 9 - 6 - Iceland: 18 - 7 - 8 - 8 - 9 - 8 - 10 - 10 - Sweden: 38 - 14 - 8 - 10 - 12 - 9 - United States: 76 - 57 - 32 - 17 - 13 - 12 - 10 (52k)- 8 (56k) - Canada: 71 - 47 - 31 - 14 - 9 - 10 - 9 - Belgium (F): 200 - 105 - 90 - 59 - 47 - 9 - Australia: 74 - 42 - 40 - 32 - 11 - Belgium (W): 165 - 79 - 36 - 39 - 24 - 12 - Switzerland: 79 - 65 - 79 - 15 - Hungary: 35 - 16 - 23 - 17 - Finland: 42 - 50 - 34 - 18 - Poland: 87 - 50 - 24 - 55 - 25 - Ireland: 91 - 41 - Japan: 35 (3,562) - Portugal: 35 - 50 - 43 - United Kingdom: 40 (2,720) - Greece: 45 - 47 - 44 - Austria: 56 - 71 - forecast: Mariah's new album won't. 730k is hard to beat for our veteran artists. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtual_Insanity Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Why is Mariah being mentioned with Madonna ? She is a level or two below Madonna when it comes to overall success/ Popularity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtual_Insanity Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 46 minutes ago, stevyy said: Merry Christmas is at #35 on the Oricon Albums Chart in Japan this week. (Highest position in 27 years). Merry Christmas has sold 730,000 units in 2023. What was Madonna's best selling album of 2023? The way you literally just invent numbers. The other day you said 650k. Quite literally pulling numbers out of your head with no basis or receipts. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevyy Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Virtual_Insanity said: The way you literally just invent numbers. The other day you said 650k. Quite literally pulling numbers out of your head with no basis or receipts. you have 0 idea. SINCE then we got several new updates... for example 56,000 from the US, 3,5k from Japan, Switzerland, Belgium etc... all updated. That number will increase one last time when Canada, Austria, Greece and co are finally updating. Edited January 1 by stevyy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevyy Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 19 minutes ago, Virtual_Insanity said: Why is Mariah being mentioned with Madonna ? She is a level or two below Madonna when it comes to overall success/ Popularity. now that you have mentioned her as well... will Madonna's next album sell 730,000 copies like Merry Christmas did in 2023? Or at least chart for 8 weeks on the BB200? Mariah's new album will not. But since Madonna is 2 levels more popular and successful... she should log in 16 weeks on the BB200 and at the bare minimum 1,5 million units with her next album (also chart a song at #1 in 17 countries, incl. the US - solo song ofc). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BtDecember Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 On 12/31/2023 at 8:00 AM, WildHeart said: He posted a wiki link with 462 references and that's your answer? Some of her haters are really more obsessed than her own fans Calling one of the biggest artists of all time "another hot thing at time" and talking about others living in their own world is crazy Don’t bother. It just shows how illiterate they are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaChina Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 madonna>taylor=mariah 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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