base talk Madonna, Celine, Taylor - only female artists to move 200m+ album units?

[alestevens]

The funniest part about the clownery all accross this thread is that Taylor will likely end the decade having sold close to 100M pure album sales herself in a much worse market and despite being the biggest streaming phenomenon of all time

[GlamSlam]

On 12/23/2023 at 5:45 AM, Outside789 said:

Gimmics like Madonna detractors accuse her of also using?  Like saying Madonna needed controversy and sex to sell records?

Madonna didn't need controversy and sex to sell records. Live to Tell, Crazy for You, Into the Groove, LIB, Take a Bow, Who's That Girl, TUTBMP, Frozen and Music certainly proved that.

[Feanor]

11 hours ago, alestevens said:

The funniest part about the clownery all accross this thread is that Taylor will likely end the decade having sold close to 100M pure album sales herself in a much worse market and despite being the biggest streaming phenomenon of all time

Exactly. She's already at 70M pure sales worldwide, and her pure sales power is still going strong (she'll end the year with 5M in pure sales in the US alone). Unless something really drastic happens, she'll most likely reach 100M pure album sales at some point in her career.

[stevyy]

12 hours ago, alestevens said:

The funniest part about the clownery all accross this thread is that Taylor will likely end the decade having sold close to 100M pure album sales herself in a much worse market and despite being the biggest streaming phenomenon of all time

100 million album sales by the end of this decade?

 

75% of her "sales" are units. Only three people managed that in a single decade the past 40 years:

 

Céline / Mariah in the 1990s

Eminem in the 2000s.

[alestevens]

16 hours ago, stevyy said:

100 million album sales by the end of this decade?

 

75% of her "sales" are units. Only three people managed that in a single decade the past 40 years:

 

Céline / Mariah in the 1990s

Eminem in the 2000s.

I meant end the decade with 100M pure sales in her career, since she has sold 70M pure already and is currently selling more than 5M pure copies per year

[Jjang]

update:- 

 

1. Madonna - 248,957,000 (+281,000)

2. Celine Dion - 199,747,000 (+162,000)

3. Taylor Swift - 190,415,000 (+6,934,000) 

 

[Chartman]

10 minutes ago, Jjang said:

update:- 

 

1. Madonna - 248,957,000 (+281,000)

2. Celine Dion - 199,747,000 (+162,000)

3. Taylor Swift - 190,415,000 (+6,934,000) 

 

Massive growth in a span of 5 weeks without doing anything. 1.4 Million units each week 👑

[Jjang]

7 minutes ago, Chartman said:

Massive growth in a span of 5 weeks without doing anything. 1.4 Million units each week 👑

She'll hit 200m in around ~ 10 weeks 

[Jjang]

On 12/16/2023 at 7:24 PM, Jjang said:

According to ChartMasters' methodology. 

 

1. Madonna - 248,676,000

2. Celine - 199,585,000

3. Taylor - 183,481,000

 

update: 

 

1. Madonna - 249,502,000 (+826,000)

2. Celine - 199,980,000 (+395,000)

3. Taylor - 198,443,000 (+14,962,000)

 

Celine is only a few days away from "officially" hitting the 200M mark and Taylor is pacing for that #1 spot real fast. 

[suburbannature]

girl, stop using Fraudmasters' made-up numbers as a source. We all know Madonna's way ahead of everyone.

[Jjang]

21 hours ago, suburbannature said:

girl, stop using Fraudmasters' made-up numbers as a source. We all know Madonna's way ahead of everyone.

your hate towards CM is so unnecessary 

[supertiffany]

22 hours ago, suburbannature said:

girl, stop using Fraudmasters' made-up numbers as a source. We all know Madonna's way ahead of everyone.

Taylor ending with 500M units with fraudmasters lol

[stevyy]

CSPC Mariah: 193,555,000

 

Will she be the only 4th to cross 200 million? (later this year?)

[PoisonedIvy]

3 minutes ago, stevyy said:

CSPC Mariah: 193,555,000

 

Will she be the only 4th to cross 200 million? (later this year?)

Yes she definitely will 

[stevyy]

CSPC Top 10 females:

 

01 - 249,510,000 - Madonna

02 - 199,982,000 - Céline Dion

03 - 198,557,000 - Taylor Swift

04 - 193,555,000 - Mariah Carey

05 - 159,575,000 - Whitney Houston

06 - 153,770,000 - Barbra Streisand

07 - 117,488,000 - Rihanna

08 - 116,925,000 - Britney

09 - 110,469,000 - Adele

10 - 100,287,000 - Beyoncé

 

Funny, how other female entertainers' stans only called Mariah Carey a local flop who has never had any "real" success. Xmas lady killed it with her forgotten catalogue. 

 

[stevyy]

The most grotesque thing is that Those 10 females are pretty much alone among a plethora of male acts and male groups. Only The top 8 females rank in the top 50. 

 

The so-called GPee... truly hates successful women and music by female artists. I blame normative straight male music listeners for avoiding vajay acts like they are the plague or sth... stanning for every other male act - homoerotically kissing their male poster boys goodnite every night. 

 

Female acts are supported predominantly by girls, women and gay boys / men --> who also listen to male acts and groups, unlike straight boys who would never listen to a woman singer. 

[Poncho Barlliams]

I'm happy that outside of ATRL/Twitter no one cares about this Chartmasters methodology.

 

Like that ... just considering streams from China so Taylor can sell more albums than Mariah Carey

Edited March 28 by Poncho Barlliams

[Aethereal]

3 hours ago, Jjang said:

your hate towards CM is so unnecessary 

Not even MJ was pulling millions of albums per week. Taylor had just yet outsold Madonna in North America. Madonna had a long shot in Europe, South America, Australia and probably Asia too.

[Poncho Barlliams]

On 12/16/2023 at 3:08 PM, LittleStarmen said:

with this random methodology?

 

I just saw that BTS is higher rabking than Backstreet Boys...

 

BSB were bigger than bts ever been...

they take worldwide streams and apply the RIAA rule

1000 = 1 unit

[LittleStarmen]

13 minutes ago, Poncho Barlliams said:

they take worldwide streams and apply the RIAA rule

1000 = 1 unit

1000 streams is something someone listening to one artist could do in 2 days. such nonsense metric

[Jjang]

51 minutes ago, Aristotle said:

Not even MJ was pulling millions of albums per week. Taylor had just yet outsold Madonna in North America. Madonna had a long shot in Europe, South America, Australia and probably Asia too.

I don't think Taylor surpassing Madonna & MJ on this metric has to automatically mean she's bigger than them. The way music was consumed 40 years ago is completely different to how music is consumed now. I'm not drawing any conclusions; I'm just saying, in terms of overall consumption units, CM is more or less a conservative estimation of how the "real" list probably looks. They use BB's methodology after all so it's not like it's a completely baseless estimation. 

 

It's not that serious. We know that in terms of actual sales Madonna will forever be #1. But this is where we're at in life in 2024. You just have to accept that. 

[Poncho Barlliams]

On 12/18/2023 at 6:51 PM, Feanor said:

The way equivalent album sales had been a thing back in 2012 already and are by now the main metric of measuring multi-format music success as dictated by Billboard, IFPI, Luminate etc., yet people on ATRL of all places still either refuse to accept it or still don't get how to works…

Have you ever seen these official sources claim that Taylor sells more albums than Mariah Carey?

 

and it's simply ridiculous how CM takes the worldwide streams and applies the RIAA's SPS formula to say that Taylor sold 200 million albums

Does IFPI know that Taylor has sold 200 million albums?

[Poncho Barlliams]

On 12/19/2023 at 6:17 PM, byzantium said:

So you just have an issue with Bilboard, the RIAA, IFPI and most chart organizations.  That's fine, but don't act like it is strange for individuals to not have issue with industry norm.  

Can you tell me an IFPI source saying that Taylor sold more albums than Whintey Houston/Mariah?

 

I do not dispute the legitimacy of the streams.

My point here is about this unrealistic CM methodology

[Feanor]

1 minute ago, Poncho Barlliams said:

Have you ever seen these official sources claim that Taylor sells more albums than Mariah Carey?

And have you seen any that claim Mariah sold more than Artist XYZ?

The IFPI is the only official third-party source for global sales, and they have never ever published any list of the best-selling artists worldwide of all time so for all purposes there is no way for anyone to say in an official manner that Artist A has outsold Artist B.

 

1 minute ago, Poncho Barlliams said:

and it's simply ridiculous how CM takes the worldwide streams and applies the RIAA's SPS formula to say that Taylor sold 200 million albums

Does IFPI know that Taylor has sold 200 million albums?

How is it ridiculous when that's exactly what the IFPI is also doing? Their annual Top Artists list is based on SPS units. Just because they closely guard their numbers does not mean those numbers don't exist. All Chartmasters does is to try to give all of this more transparency.

[Poncho Barlliams]

On 12/22/2023 at 5:25 AM, Klein said:

? True Blue is at 37M units according to CM's methodology. 

 

30M units in streaming would be 45B streams

 

Please don't act like this is something very difficult to achieve, Taylor in 2023 had 26 billion streams on Spotify alone.

 

Imagine on other platforms such as YouTube, Amazon Music, Pandora, Apple Music etc... we can assume that in just 1 year it she generated flows that Madonna took years to sell with 1 album.