celeb news Swifties are divided over the silence of Taylor/Taylor Nation about the late Swiftie

[eleganceislearned]

I'm surprised at how Taylor's handled this so so far. She has money & influence over the music industry, and now movie industry, but she can't reach out to the family? Lawsuits be damned, she's a billionaire, a lawsuit would be a drop in the bucket, not to mention she's got the pockets to hire the best lawyers in the world, or to just settle instead of worrying about looking bad or whatever (kind of too late for that IMO). Even that POS Travis Scott paid for the funerals for the fans at Astroworld. Reaching out to them is a very low bar. She's not culpable, however, this has been handled so coldly. I'm not a Swift hater by any means, but I find this behavior weird. 

Edited November 20, 2023 by eleganceislearned

[chiliam]

This is weird. But we dont know the full story yet.

Lets wait a bit.

[Rep2000]

1 hour ago, Edu said:

imagine defending a billionaire over a grieving family

swifties show some compassion challenge

They are not on 2 opposing sides, and there's nothing to defend about.

The only one who don't have compassion is the same people who used this as stan war argument trying to drag a fambase. 

[Shelter]

1 hour ago, eleganceislearned said:

I'm surprised at how Taylor's handled this so so far. She has money & influence over the music industry, and now movie industry, but she can't reach out to the family? Lawsuits be damned, she's a billionaire, a lawsuit would be a drop in the bucket, not to mention she's got the pockets to hire the best lawyers in the world, or to just settle instead of worrying about looking bad or whatever (kind of too late for that IMO). Even that POS Travis Scott paid for the funerals for the fans at Astroworld. Reaching out to them is a very low bar. She's not culpable, however, this has been handled so coldly. I'm not a Swift hater by any means, but I find this behavior weird. 

It’s weird since her team are normally on top of things like this. I think they will do something but I don’t get why it wasn’t priority. 

[Rep2000]

3 hours ago, Edu said:

i don't think you all get it so let's make one thing clear: taylor isn't the one responsible for that poor girl's death, period

and while i understand that we don't have the full scoop on what is going on behind closed doors, she has built a career for herself based on her close relationship with the fans so to pretend that the loss of ana is something that should be brushed off and ignored is beyond tone-deaf

But that is not what she is doing. There's a level of sensationalism around Ana's death and Taylor is aware of that. She acknowledged her death and said that she couldn't talk about it on stage while she's grieving with it. 

Give her time and give the family the supports and some graces to process this.

Edited November 21, 2023 by Rep2000

[Rep2000]

2 hours ago, Mr. Mendes said:

So fascinated that you seem to know everything that is happening behind closed doors. 
 

No she didn’t say Ana’s name. Based upon her family swooping in today to put a stop to that fan project, it seems her family would really rather discussion of their daughter’s death not take place on a concert stage. All her getting up there and saying something would do is make a messy situation even messier while simultaneously pushing the narrative and attention even further away from where it belongs which is on the person who died, not what the pop star who’s show she was at said about it. 

 

The interview where they said they had not been contacted came hours after the event and the information that Ana’s remains cannot be transported came yesterday. This isn’t information that everyone has just been sitting on. We don’t know what discussions are being had behind closed doors, nor do we know what challenges have arisen in the pursuit to make contact and help where help is needed. 

 

Given the fact she received death threats for postponing a show by 2 days, I would imagine the general sentiment here is to ensure that the remaining shows are held safely with all the recourses needed being made available, the venue made safe from all the horrendous things it decided to do for Friday, and that the over 100k people still to see a show are able to do so in the best possible circumstances all while discussing what can be done in regards to Ana. 

 

Information about Ana and what happened and what is happening now came slowly. When Taylor posted her statement (which is NOT in the ******* 1989 aesthetic it is Taylor’s handwriting on a white background, give me a break), she was honest in saying she didn’t have much information. Even now at this very moment we don’t have much more information than we did Friday. 

 

And even when information becomes available, WE have no right to it. We have no right to know what things are happening out our view. We have no right to be let in on the whole process that either party is undertaking to see the right and appropriate thing done. Everyone is asking for this all to be done way out in the open when that just isn’t appropriate first off and seems to go against what Ana’s family even wants given their statements today second off. 

Thank you for this! The sensationalism around her death is frankly too much and ridiculous how some people are so outraged about it (while we all know they won't give a f about it tmr).

All they do is speculating and demanding, instead of actually supporting the family in any meaningful way. 

[brazil]

Taylor, should definetly reach out to the family and cover their expenses, her approach here has been cold which is typical for her, it's like she's trying to distance herself to avoid liability, but it's just making her seem really cold and detached. Helping the the family is the least she could do and the most human thing to do.

[on the line]

6 minutes ago, brazil said:

Taylor, should definetly reach out to the family and cover their expenses, her approach here has been cold which is typical for her, it's like she's trying to distance herself to avoid liability, but it's just making her seem really cold and detached. Helping the the family is the least she could do and the most human thing to do.

Did you steal this statement from the BravoRealHousewives reddit about Erika Jayne 2 seasons ago? 

[More Than A Melody]

Taylor is not to blame for what happened to Ana. Nobody in their right mind thinks she is.

 

However, the whole "she can't reach out because of legalities" thing is... weird? There's no indication that her family is even thinking about a lawsuit. I don't think there'd be grounds for a lawsuit considering there's literal footage of Taylor trying to give fans water and being out of breath herself. Travis Scott, the scumbag that he is, was absolutely liable, and everyone knew there'd be lawsuits on his ass, and he immediately said he'd pay for the funerals. Is this a US vs Brazil law thing? Cause I'm drawing a blank. If someone who we KNOW was going to get sued announced he'd be paying for the funeral expenses immediately after the fact, how come someone who clearly isn't liable is scared of legalities? It makes no sense to me.

 

I'm not coming for her. I genuinely want someone to explain this to me like I'm a child.

[brazil]

5 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

Taylor is not to blame for what happened to Ana. Nobody in their right mind thinks she is.

 

However, the whole "she can't reach out because of legalities" thing is... weird? There's no indication that her family is even thinking about a lawsuit. I don't think there'd be grounds for a lawsuit considering there's literal footage of Taylor trying to give fans water and being out of breath herself. Travis Scott, the scumbag that he is, was absolutely liable, and everyone knew there'd be lawsuits on his ass, and he immediately said he'd pay for the funerals. Is this a US vs Brazil law thing? Cause I'm drawing a blank. If someone who we KNOW was going to get sued announced he'd be paying for the funeral expenses immediately after the fact, how come someone who clearly isn't liable is scared of legalities? It makes no sense to me.

 

I'm not coming for her. I genuinely want someone to explain this to me like I'm a child.

There is no way she would be held liable for this. If there was any fault it would fall with the production company, and even that, in Brazil liability is usually very limited, it doesn't involve the large sums you usually see in the US.

 

Right now, peopleposted about how Mexican group (RBD) responded with emotional statements when tragedy happened in an event they held here many years ago here, and how that has been different from Taylor, who didnt even mention the fans' name or reached out to the family. If anything this is bound to make her look worse in case there is a lawsuit.

[Outlaws]

The fantasies, the essays

[Rep2000]

1 hour ago, Outlaws said:

The fantasies, the essays

The lack of sentences and nuances, the pointless commenting

[conquxror]

Fans had a project to honor Ana after Champagne Problems, but Taylor cut the song short and they couldn’t do it. 

 

 

“I'm shocked oh my god taylor just cut the time after champagne problems so no one could do anything I'm in SHOCK” — fan who’s currently at the stadium.

[brazil]

14 minutes ago, conquxror said:

Fans had a project to honor Ana after Champagne Problems, but Taylor cut the song short and they couldn’t do it. 

 

 

“I'm shocked oh my god taylor just cut the time after champagne problems so no one could do anything I'm in SHOCK” — fan who’s currently at the stadium.

Not a good look!

 

I thought Swifities were really concerned about the girl who lost her life hence why I got reported countless times yesterday, why aren't yall calling Taylor out more?

Edited November 21, 2023 by brazil

[Raphy23]

1 hour ago, brazil said:

Taylor, should definetly reach out to the family and cover their expenses, her approach here has been cold which is typical for her, it's like she's trying to distance herself to avoid liability, but it's just making her seem really cold and detached. Helping the the family is the least she could do and the most human thing to do.

Not sure if this is a typo? But Taylor is literally the sweetest person in the world, and the last person I’d call cold. She gets wedding invites in the mail and actually shows up at the wedding and plays a song on her guitar! 5 years ago she promised a sick girl tickets to her next tour, she actually remembered about and sent her eras tour tickets.

 

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMjEDM5XN/

 

im going to wait and she what happens with this. Not everything needs to be immediately public.

[Peroxide]

At this point I would be surprised if she doesn’t reach out to the family but (as cold as it may sound) Taylor isn’t obligated to do anything… what happened was a horrible, horrible accident. Taylor isn’t liable.

But it would be very “off-brand” if she does nothing… let’s give her/her team until the end of the week.

 

[PoisonPill]

14 hours ago, Outlaws said:

So much for feeling so 'overwhelmed by grief'. This is the first thing her/her team should have offered to the family.

So much for having any critical thinking skills. Why do you assume that you are aware of everything Taylor is and isn't doing privately?

[BraveNewSeth]

24 minutes ago, conquxror said:

Fans had a project to honor Ana after Champagne Problems, but Taylor cut the song short and they couldn’t do it. 

 

 

“I'm shocked oh my god taylor just cut the time after champagne problems so no one could do anything I'm in SHOCK” — fan who’s currently at the stadium.

This is definitely… weird. But anyone trying to blame Taylor for this poor girl’s death is disgusting. This isn’t some petty stan war nonsense and should be treated with grace and maturity, something a lot of ATRLers can’t do unfortunately. 
 

The sad fact of the matter is that this is gonna become a lot more common in the coming years/decades with the upcoming climate crisis, especially in countries like Brazil that are closer to the equator. There may very well come a time where artists simply can’t tour in places like this anymore because it’s too hot and the weather is unpredictable. 

[Rep2000]

39 minutes ago, conquxror said:

Fans had a project to honor Ana after Champagne Problems, but Taylor cut the song short and they couldn’t do it. 

 

 

“I'm shocked oh my god taylor just cut the time after champagne problems so no one could do anything I'm in SHOCK” — fan who’s currently at the stadium.

Does Taylor even know about this project that pops out of nowhere in the first place? There's time and place to honor Ana's death, and after a random song in a middle of a concert is frankly not it. People frankly are just setting them up to be disappointed here.

Edited November 21, 2023 by Rep2000

[bluebirdsforever]

14 minutes ago, BraveNewSeth said:

This is definitely… weird. But anyone trying to blame Taylor for this poor girl’s death is disgusting. This isn’t some petty stan war nonsense and should be treated with grace and maturity, something a lot of ATRLers can’t do unfortunately. 

Agreed.

The whole situation has given me pause, but its messy and complicated in many deeply sad ways, so I am waiting to see how the cards fall before I make any judgements on it. I think we all should. You don't think Taylor would "open her pockets" and send Ana's family what is the equivalent of a few cents to her if she could, even if you think the worst of her and it was just to make it go away?

 

From everything we know about Taylor, both her own safety and the safety of those in her vicinity has always been a grave concern for her, so I am more than willing in this case to give her the benefit of the doubt. She has reached out for far less in the past, and does so consistently. If she hasn't personally reached out yet, there is a reason for it beyond "she doesn't care." She's a human being, not a monster. There's very few celebrities full stop I'd consider capable of that.

[PoisonPill]

^ Well said. Taylor is a one-woman solar system, there are so many behind-the-scenes dynamics and steps involved in any and every public action she makes. A single wrong step can create earthquakes across the world.

 

This situation is unfolding in real time, there is an active investigation, limited information being shared, while she's in a foreign country where she's unfamiliar with the legal and political dynamics. And at the same time performing back to back 4-hour stadium shows without a moment to breathe. 

 

Edited November 21, 2023 by PoisonPill

[conquxror]

18 minutes ago, Rep2000 said:

Does Taylor even know about this project that pops out of nowhere in the first place? There's time and place to honor Ana's death, and after a random song in a middle of a concert is frankly not it. People frankly are just setting them up to be disappointed here.

It was being promoted by one of her largest fan bases here in Brazil — the one who has been helping fans with water and who helped raising money for Ana’s body to return home. So I wouldn’t be surprised if her team was keeping an eye on them. 

 

The homage was idealized with Ana’s parents permission and it was for fans to held up their phones with the saying “Ana Benevides will be remembered”. There’s nothing bad about it and it’s actually pretty touching imo.

[on the line]

41 minutes ago, conquxror said:

It was being promoted by one of her largest fan bases here in Brazil — the one who has been helping fans with water and who helped raising money for Ana’s body to return home. So I wouldn’t be surprised if her team was keeping an eye on them. 

 

The homage was idealized with Ana’s parents permission and it was for fans to held up their phones with the saying “Ana Benevides will be remembered”. There’s nothing bad about it and it’s actually pretty touching imo.

I thought the family came out today and asked fans not to do anything?

[aesthetic bih]

I feel like Taylor is gonna do something about the Swiftie (RIP), but she's working silently idk...

[DougAF]

9 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

Taylor is not to blame for what happened to Ana. Nobody in their right mind thinks she is.

 

However, the whole "she can't reach out because of legalities" thing is... weird? There's no indication that her family is even thinking about a lawsuit. I don't think there'd be grounds for a lawsuit considering there's literal footage of Taylor trying to give fans water and being out of breath herself. Travis Scott, the scumbag that he is, was absolutely liable, and everyone knew there'd be lawsuits on his ass, and he immediately said he'd pay for the funerals. Is this a US vs Brazil law thing? Cause I'm drawing a blank. If someone who we KNOW was going to get sued announced he'd be paying for the funeral expenses immediately after the fact, how come someone who clearly isn't liable is scared of legalities? It makes no sense to me.

 

I'm not coming for her. I genuinely want someone to explain this to me like I'm a child.

 

9 hours ago, brazil said:

There is no way she would be held liable for this. If there was any fault it would fall with the production company, and even that, in Brazil liability is usually very limited, it doesn't involve the large sums you usually see in the US.

 

Right now, peopleposted about how Mexican group (RBD) responded with emotional statements when tragedy happened in an event they held here many years ago here, and how that has been different from Taylor, who didnt even mention the fans' name or reached out to the family. If anything this is bound to make her look worse in case there is a lawsuit.

Whew lord… the lawyers in here. In the states, giving money to the family can be used as evidence for an admission of guilt/fault in court, so it’s not as simple as the OTH wish it was.